Nefarious_EU

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Just wiating till they put back AV to what they used to be save having to get a perfect team.

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well, theyre easier on CoV cause of MMs (bot/dark, nin/dark and bot/poison at 32+ are better regen debuffers than rads n kins)

well as i said to blaze earlier today, not entirely sure if i can make it, but if i can sign up Ice Duke (lvl 31 ice/ice tank)

aye, FF is FAR from dead..

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dispersion shield lets too much through

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thats cause you shouldnt be using it as main defense tool (though for yourself, it IS the only tool you got ), sure it offers nice protection, but to me the main purpose is the mez protect it offers.

aye got him on global already...

oh and iggy, you know the cause of the smell.. you're just too afraid to admit it

just lil question outta interest... how in hell are you gonna beat that AV?

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Oh btw, how come you need Stamina? Slot some end redux, you musth ave spare slots as a mm, and taking 3 powers for stamina is a waste.

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maybe your mm does, mine surely hasnt

oh and iggy, no way thats the most sickenin thing I ever heard in the history i know you and gravman

(speakin of smelly bodyparts, guess who I ran into few days back? our good ol' suicide blaster pyro furry )

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- Confuse is fine in PvE with 2 accuracies (maybe 1 confdur, but not more)

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For multiple targets he has Mass Confusion. Confuse works on AVs with just 1 confdur if you stack it

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yeah but stackin goes alot easier if you have added duration per instance of confuse

Tried DM/SR in the RV event (already built him before, just wanted to see what he'd be like at 40 and with defbuffs from i7 in place) and must say he pretty much ruled. ToF is a nice addition to your attack chain in PvP cause of the low resisted fear (and of course -acc )

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stop the stalker with Touch of Fear

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...doesnt work if its a /nin stalker

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Usually they keep their pets together so you use cones and AoEs to attack the pets and the mastermind at the same time that way the pets are hurt but have to absorb his damage as well. It's kind of risky but not always what they're expecting if you can sneak up behind them/fly in. The disadvantage of Bodyguard is that in a larger battle the mastermind can't specify you as the target easily without risking himself so you should be able to position an AoE.

Also, when you do it you should be singing e.g.

"Flamethrower and Full'Auto! The powers with the names you want to touch... But you musn't touch!"

Then you get AS'ed because of the animation time but it was probably worth it.

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how often do you focus a pvp char on aoe. About never?:P

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maybe you'd better start then

its the paper for the MM's rock

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though when playin an ice tank that likes to bunch up ppl it can get rather annoying, cause as said before, ice is THE aggro magnet

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The trick is to toggle CE on and off depending on which tank is getting too much aggro.

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actually meant the other tank will be a nuisance to the ice tank bunchin up the foes

reminds me.. scatter-attacks (rain of fire, burn, ignite) work nicely as well as henchies are pretty hard to command as they are running trying to evade your attack. might not knock the pets out of 60ft, but it sure is a start

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So basically, I want a ranged demaging build which has a hold effect or two in it... Is it possible? :P

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sounds like you're describing ice primary there

however, a blaster that isnt using his secondary powers in PvP isnt living up to its full potential.

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Maybe it's just me being cocky but I never got why any tank would team with another...It just leads to chaos and/or feelings of inadequacy. I would rather solo tank any day as it allows me to do what I want when I want.

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I can understand what you're saying, but I feel quite the opposite. If I'm playing another AT, I feel a lot more comfortable with anymore than 1 heavy melee taking the brunt of the damage, and the presence of a couple of tankers lets everyone concentrate on their team roles comfortably.

Teaming with other tanks so far, Invul and Stone sets get around quite a bit, but I like sharing the aggro with them and if one tank is resting, the other is more or less likely raring to go

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though when playin an ice tank that likes to bunch up ppl it can get rather annoying, cause as said before, ice is THE aggro magnet (fire comin a close second, but CE simply put is the best aura cause of the debuffs )

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And if you think just MMs are a problem thinkabout the SR and Ice armors now and add now, add DM Stalkers and Elec brutes to the mix


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dont wanna slag your rant razman, but all defbased powersets only been buffed in pve, not pvp they already were pretty powerful in pvp (as anyone who fought my ice tank can confirm )

from that list you mention it kinda sounds you are pretty fked against most opponents then private

but as said multiple times before, its all an RPS-game in PvP. Claws scrapper might not work against a /dark MM, but a blaster with properly slotted aim/bu zaps right through that acc debuff.

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Just as Stalk said, kill the henchies first, then what's left to guard the MM?

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Altho there is no way to agree with that you guys say atm, not every toon is made to take out full groups

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So if I'm right. The MM's has to be very close to the pets to make it work?


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Yeah, the pets need to be in supremacy range, so 60 ft iirc.
Most ATs got a way to deal with em:


Tankers/Scrappers - whack the pets, try to mez + kb the MM

Blaster - AoEs are your friend, expect especially fire blasters to become a major pain thanks to high AoE and DoT (and of course iirc most pets got a weakness to fire dmg)

Controller - Mez/debuff the pets, then try to mez/kb/debuff the MM, on my ill/ff I also use the forcebubble trick, on my earth/storm I just use freezin rain/earthquake to keep the pets down, then gale the MM away.

Only the Defender will have a bigger challenge to take down MMs I think (dependin on powersets), but then again Defenders arent meant to be on the frontline

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Oh I'm not organising it....someone else is. I'm just getting the list of names for her.

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I am interested in starting a PvP solo league on the test server for all Players of CoH and CoV Europe.

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am i the only one confused?

anyway.. to prevent the removing of important posts as you claim, 2 tips:
a) dont flamebait
b) ask people to put in their global when submitting a character

like dr said, the old tactic of "just target MM and he has no defense" is not very useful anymore. I think this was intended with the adding of BG. Some of you might say "controllers/blasters/defenders/corrupters/dominators also got no extra defense like MMs" well point is, those can all easily fight for themselves, while MM has to rely on his pets. As said, some sets cant damage other sets, its rock-paper-scissors all over again. MMs aint really that tough to kill, even with BG running.

swap hold for cold and add psionic and the list is complete they DONT have hold resistance

away in afternoon so not sure if ill be there in time, but if I am count me in:
Ice Duke, 31 ice/ice tanker

yeah, before I have to fight some tough spawn or AV/EB i always feed some of my bots some red insps to speed up the killing

bots dont have "extra" hold res, yet I got the feeling all henchies got some innate extra res to mezzes, seeing sometimes when bosses toss a hold on my bots, they aint held at all, while the same hold would hold me.

aye, iirc its 170 yards for henchies to respawn, and supremacy is 60 ft. Bodyguard is only for henchies in supremacy range, so tp the MM to a distance <170 yrds but >60ft, and he wont have bodyguard mode to help. Hence why you shouldnt solemnly rely on bodyguard mode. Personally I dont use bodyguard mode too often in pvp as I tend to be aggressive with robo/poi and kill my foe before they get a chance to gun for me. When they finally start hammering me is when i swap to bodyguard.

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Oh another thing. Is it just me, or did they change the repel of forcebubble? In i7 I can hit with ripper through forcebubble by running really fast., I had no chance in i6.

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not that i know of, even in i6 with luck and enough momentum you could just dive through forcebubble and get a hit in before you got repelled. Does seem to happen more often in i7 though.

could those fightin today gimme a shout on global when they are settin up? would love to watch some matches