Nalrok_AthZim

Funny enough, that character hides his face.

Let's look at that, though.

Why use:
"Alright, fine, for the 'greater good' as usual."

Instead of something more like:
"Very well, Scirocco. 'For the greater good.'"

If you really want to argue 'tone of voice' then it'd help if the response wasn't written it what can easily be called a defeatist tone.

Really?

That looks like my character saying that. My character who is a villain.

My character who is a villain is saying that to Scirocco.

Tell me again how I'M the only one saying villains are doing the greater good.

And you know what? I did pretend that my villains were making their own plans just by helping heroes.

I did it in the RWZ.
Then I did it in Cimerora.
Then I did it in the holiday events.
Then I did it during Apex. And Tin Mage.
Then I did it in the SSA.
Then I did it in the BAF. And Lambda Sector. And on Keyes Island. And in the Underground. And in the Mother of Mercy hospital. And at the TPN campus. And in Mot's gullet. And in The Magisterium.

I don't care what you think my problem is. Why do I have to continuously shoehorn ALL of my villains, REGARDLESS of who they are and what they're like, into the notion of "I'm doing this for my own gain sometime later"? Why are my VILLAINS, who are NOT HEROES, continuously written in to high level content as de facto heroes to save the day?

Which I've been saying since I ran the first iTrial. If you're not Warden Resistance, you don't matter. Same thing with all this co-op content. Any perspective but 'heroic' is ignored.


Then she shouldn't offer her opinion on a perspective she doesn't have.

Just sayin'.

More alts.

Just when I think I can finally write Blasters off as an AT I will never enjoy as much as others, they pull me back in!

Your reply doesn't address the issue of the Trials being heroic and that you yourself have shown the double standard of the current game writing.

You're exactly right.

However, evil fighting evil =/= evil fighting good. By your own words, Loyalists are evil.

So, villains are fighting evil, and whether you like it or not, they are helping save the day by proxy.

We're not asking for evil vs. evil. We're asking for evil vs. good, or at the very least, evil getting to do it's thing without a bunch of Well-juiced higher powers constantly nagging them to go fight the good fight. Seriously, let us blow up a high-rise or infect a group of our enemies with a viral anomaly! All it's been lately is high-ranking NPC groups (Menders, Vanguard, Midnight Squad) asking heroes to help and demanding that villains cooperate.

It's old. It's been old. It feels like every end-game content story arc was based off of the same Comic Book Madlib page.

"Our heroes find out about ________, the evil villain group from ________. In order to defeat them, the heroes must travel to _________ and fight their leader, __________. Villains can aid the heroes by fighting alongside them in __________. All participating heroes/villains will get _________ for a reward."


The powers themselves are never mentioned in a trial. No one ever says "Your Judgement ability is what led you to victory" or anything of the sort. The story of the trials is the fall of Praetoria.

.... says who?

This isn't about Incarnate power. It's about the story of defeating Praetoria. As far as I'm concerned, considering Incarnate powers are NEVER mentioned in the trial lore, they have nothing to do with the story of Praetoria. Our villains are there to stop Cole and save the world. There's no two ways about it, and that's crap writing for redside.

Thereby alienating players who enjoy redside content.

And where exactly is that content? We don't have anything like that. At all. And we probably never will since the current modus operandi is "everyone has to save the world whether you like it or not."


Not all Loyalists are villains. Why would the heroes want to stop other heroes?

Furthermore, you just don't get it. I really wish the tables were turned, GG, and that Heroes had mediocre theme-breaking content while Villains got to run trials/arcs/SSA's that showcase their malevolence and will to do evil. I'd love to see what you'd say about content balance then.

Who's we? You? Because that's not 'we.' That's 'you.'

What makes you think villains don't want another world in which they can sow the seeds of destruction?

It's been 'later' since I10 when the RWZ went co-op and villains saved the world.

We've had this discussion before and your winky faces and bad arguments have never held water.

So by that logic, villains wouldn't join trials where the goal is to save the universe.

....... Oh wait.

Nice double standard.

I'll send in a report when I'm home this evening; my 50 Nin/Nin Stalker killed Kang at the end of the Anti-Matter arc and he showed up and acted like we'd never met. Seems like it defaulted to the Primal greeting.

Please relay information!

No, it might put them off the game entirely due to misinformation.

Except that's not at all what you're doing:

You're not serving a dictatorship at all. Your character, in a moment of enormous fortitude, chooses to keep the people of Praetoria happy and ignorant while trying to keep Cole from going to war all by themself. Preventing the war is opposing Cole, and opposing Cole is not serving a dictatorship.

That's no reason to step on written content with the intent of "it never mattered anyway."

Except the Responsibility arc is just as heroic. Why did the devs bother putting dynamic content into the game at all if the story had only one direction?

I was pretty baffled that Kang was in the first mission of Belladonna's arc, especially on my Responsibility Loyalist Praetorian Stalker. Seeing a ghost much? There's NO explanation for this either. Not even a "I wasn't actually dead" comment. Nope. He's just there, regardless of whether or not you put him in the ground.

Could you link us to the page that displays that information? That's wrong and could potentially produce bad business.

It also left a lot of loose ends from the paths chosen in GR, since the writing went with... none of them, it feels like. A great example is DSL's post:

If you played Responsibility Loyalist (a path that has been liberally crapped on since GR ended) you have to kill Kang to keep him from exposing Cole to Praetoria and causing mass riot. I wonder how Responsibility Loyalist characters would react when they found out that Kang somehow wasn't dead.

"I got better."

Since we don't even know what that stuff is (it could be a noble gas, or even boron) and I've never seen ash fallout in the immediate vicinity of the reactors, I think we should reserve judgement.

EDIT: And you're right, they don't; they spew irradiated steam and/or coal smoke and/or ash discharge and/or oil refinement gasses.

And this basically confirms that Tyrant DID kill innocents; even if the IDF and CoL and Resistance and D.U.S.T. were just unconscious, the nuke would have atomized them anyway and killed them.

Also I'd love to see exactly where it's stated that Praetoria was evacuated.

Presuming the size of Praetoria (about the size of... Independence Port, really) is what it is, that nuke probably destroyed much more than just Nova. The Keyes Reactors are still standing as AM himself mentioned they were designed to withstand an explosion greater than one of them melting down (an event that would liquefy Neutropolis), but a nuclear strike is not that easily contained. I'd surmise that the entirety of Praetoria (Nova, Imperial, and Neutropolis) is now a radiated waste. On top of that, with the Hamidon at the sonic gates, where would the people of Praetoria have gone?

Except that doesn't line up at all with his battlecry of "By the power of Tartarus I call upon the souls of the dead!"

You know, if it had been worded differently I might have been able to mold that into my character. If the dialogue option had been "Alright, Scirocco. 'For the greater good.'" I'd be less upset. But the defeatist tone of "Alright, fine, for the greater good as usual." is just too heavy for it to be anything other than what it is: forcing us to play nice AGAIN.