Misaligned

Looks good. I don't see one exactly like that anywhere

I wasn't playing at that time. The truth is universal though. People have seriously confused want with need. Entitlement is what the problem is, not marketeers or casual players or Bob, the guy who only logs in for 2 minutes a year.

If you feel entitled to something, or if you feel someone else is entitled, you're always going to have the perception of being screwed.

I agree with Fulmens on the tickets. Try replacing one radio / paper mission you do a week with an AE mission. You may find that you like them, and regardless, you'll have some spare tickets for purchases you need right now.

I believe this was already guessed. Would you like to edit your guess?

I think we have just identified the problem here.

Yep, we're zeroing in on it...

And there it is. Can't see what I'm getting at?

At what point do you need anything from a game. You want. Want =/= need. I want world peace and a Snicker's Bar. Provide it now at a reasonable cost. That reasonable cost will be an amount to be determined after I get what I want. It will most likely be less than what the actual cost was, but that's irrelevant. I want it - go get it for me... now!

And this is why we get people like you protesting for the rights of the poor and indigent in.. a video game.

Nope, you can blame the PvP farmers for slacking off and not upping the supply

Blah blah blah perception is irrelevant. People will always believe that someone is screwing them until they get it for free. At which point they will believe that someone is screwing them because they should have had it for free... earlier.

People who have this "marketeers are evil and controlling the prices" theory, don't read this board. If they did, they'd have money. So your argument that Goat posting about it is moot.

And salvage. Really? Salvage? Why do we constantly pick the most ridiculous item in the game to show how evil people are? No one gives a rat's *** about spending 150 mil instead of 149,500,000 on that LotG proc - but sure as hell flip out if they gotta pay 100k for common salvage.

Way to take an extremely small percentage of the money that actually changes hands and blow it up into some huge drama.

Its like ******** about the world economy and using the price of gumballs as your example...

Its salvage. There will be another thousand for sale tomorrow. Get over it

Go pee. Get a drink. Talk to your friends?

Or, you can go play other MMOs. Try WoW. You wait a week to get into a raid. You spend hours killing bosses until you down the one that drops the item you want. And it doesn't drop. Now you're f'd for another week. Good game. Have this happen for 6 months and see if you don't change this whacked perception about how valuable 2 minutes is to you.

People pissing and moaning about 2 minutes or even 1 day for something that is SO accessible in this game is really starting to piss me off.

Don't like the price - here's you options:

Leave a bid up
Go farm it yourself
Go run AE missions and buy one with AE tickets.

There's 3 options that don't involve you paying more than you want to for pixels....

Don't like the options? The get lost. No one's ever gonna make you happy.

Also, don't come here claiming that time is a premium, then ***** when your "premium" costs you money in the game. If 2 minutes is "too long" then you have valued your time at higher than the price you are unwilling to pay. Buy it. Shut up. And go back to playing.

You persist. I persist. You ignore me. I has a sad

There is nothing "evil" about paying buy it right this instant prices. In fact, Goat has gone to great lengths to show that marketeers aren't actually the ones listing things for ridiculous prices. There is no (good) marketeer that is listing NMI for over 3 mil per. I have no idea who's doing that, but it sure isn't a (good) marketeer.

As for the "I don't play enough / I'm not a marketeer / I don't care about maximizing my slots" answers, as stated by many many people, you can always wait. And you needn't wait terribly long in most cases. Even coming to this game from WoW, a system that is nothing like this, I figured out in short order that I can bid on something, then wait 2 minutes and most likely get it.

For your other questions, let's take a look at what actually happened:

Goat bought out (or tried to, he was not successful as I indicated by my ability to purchase one for 500 while he was doing this) all of the NMI for under 3 mil.

He created a shortage. This shortage lasted less than an hour, at a less than ideal time of day.

During that shortage, people who were unwilling to wait a few minutes chose instead to buy it now for 1 mil. To them, their time I guess is worth it. The people who were willing to wait a small amount of time were still able to purchase NMI for less than your stated "10 to 20 times the vendor price" (5k is 20x).

During this shortage, people who are like your friends came to the market, saw that their NMI was worth something, and listed it for very high prices. Some of it sold. Some of it did not.

Less than an hour after beginning, prices were back to normal.

So, for 1 hour 1 piece of salvage had a small price spike.

During that hour, people who are completely unwilling to pay the going prices or wait a few minutes have other options for obtaining that item. Granted, any other option is going to involve more than a few minutes, so I guess they're just fooked, eh?

What I will counter to you is this:

You are working under the assumption that all marketeers make most of the profit. You also seem to be working under the assumption that casual gamers who do not marketeer somehow only get the shaft end on things like this.

From your assumptions, casual players never list items for more than the are actually worth. Casual players always pay premiums for everything they purchase. And casual players are always on the receiving end of some price-fixer.

If the casual player lists his NMI during Goat's fun for 250 inf and someone else buys it for 1 million (a price they are willing to pay), where is the evil marketeer getting rich off of this?

Also - who listed all of those NMI's at over 3 mil? Marketeers?

That's right!

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Move along. Nothing to see here...

Well - here's the whole kit and caboodle so to speak.

Yes, it is done "because we can".

Also, and read my post above:

It really has no impact on the game for people who need to pee.

What?

Bid your stuff, and go to the bathroom. That is generally more than enough time to actually purchase what you're bidding on.

3rd!

If your character is "broke" and you only have 45 million, that 50,000 you bid on salvage X instead of 5,000 is not a big deal. At all. Ever.

In fact, the 45k difference you pay for getting it right this instant vs. getting in 2 minutes amounts to 0.1% of your total cash supply. And that's if you're "broke".

If you're SO BROKE that 45k actually does cut into your funds in a serious way, click on my sig and fix it in less than a week.

Its a 3 piece set.

2 set bonus is 1.88% def to smashing and lethal. This is a very solid investment for 2 slots on a s/l def build imo.

This set also has a very small window - Levels 10-20. Add in that people don't usually spend a long time (relative to number of kills) in this range and it becomes semi-rare.

Funny... I purchased 1 for about 500 while Goat was doing this. Yes, during his little adventure, I was able to purchase one for 500. I did have to wait an obscene amount of time for it - I mean who wants to seriously wait 2 minutes for their salvage order to fill?! That's ridiculous imo.

My offer of 15mil to get someone started on "cornering a salvage market" and keeping the price high still stands.

Buy em all! Or don't. Either way, you gave it sort of an effort

/taunt

/cackle

/flee

Cause buying one of the remaining 25 recipes at 5 mil, or 33 enhancements at 10 mil would be so bothersome

Well, I hadn't considered this. If it does happen, I will do the following:

List that item for an appropriate amount. If it sells, the money is then added back in. If it doesn't, I'll list it again for 1 inf. If it still doesn't sell by the time I slot the last IO, I'll delete it an eat the cost.

I rarely have this happen to me personally. Usually, if it does happen, its a generic IO that I purchased but did not notice the purchase while bid creeping. I have yet to "accidentally" purchase anything worth more than 1 mil.

I will take extra care with this build to reduce this problem

Which thing did I say now?

Ok. +1 Ebil for you. You're now up to 5.5 and Chaos is down to 5.

Had you claimed the ebilness of deleting the purples, you would have gotten -1 instead.

bah! you and your "logic". I shun thee!

You make very good points tho - I was merely looking at it from the extremely lazy stand point (mine). Where I can sit here, do nothing and get stuff. Marketeering is nice for that

5.5 overall + 0.5 for thread-jacking. So 6/10 overall.

What hurt you here is giving money to people who would not have otherwise gotten money. You bought (and deleted) purples that would not have sold in any reasonable time. You did a good thing here. Bummer

Ranked as most to least ebil:

1. Buying and destroying all of the Nevermelting Ice listed for less than 50,000 inf every night before bed.
2. Buying Positron's Blast dam/end recipes for 100k, selling the crafted enhancements for 10 million.
3. Buying assorted Large inspirations for 10k and combining them to make Large Defense inspirations which I sell for 500k.
4. Placing a bunch of lowball bids on a recipe I'm flipping to soak up all the cheap incoming supply and encourage players to pay my premium.
5. Buying LotGs for 50-60 million, flipping them for 100 million.
6. Overpaying for junk salvage because I'm too impatient for bid creeping.
7. Finding a bunch of crafted Armageddons and Gravitic Anchors stored in a long disused base, selling them for enough to get a broke character to the inf cap.

Now... "why"

1. Buying and destroying "cause you can" is fairly evil. I rate this a 7 out of 10.
2. Cheap recipes to expensive enhancements. Not horribly evil, maybe a 5 out of 10? Nothing that can't be done by anyone who takes 1 min to look.
3. This I will give you 5 out of 10 on the evil scale. Not because of what you're doing, but because it seems to be mostly a waste for you. Kind of like tossing a pebble into the grand canyon.
4. Eating the lowball bids is evil, but only a 4 out of 10 here. You're only catching the lazy with this one. Catching lazy people is inherently easy.
5. Flipping a LotG is meh at best. 3 out of 10 for evilness. A "sure thing" has very little evil associated with it.
6. Paying too much for junk. 1/10? Maybe 2/10? Bid creeping from what... 11 to 111 to 1111 - just bid 111,111 and be done with it imo
7. I'm sorry, but this is not evil at all. 0 out of 10. You sold off stock. Now... if it was someone else's base...

Goat, I'm giving you an overall "Evilness" rating of just 4.5 for overall evilness this week. I'm sure with some hard work and effort you can do better next week

See Info #3:

I will be purchasing everything for this build from other players.

So you think that a recipe, which is a "super rare" drop should be valued less than the stuff to make it?

He was bidding 3 mil... on stacks and stacks and stacks of these. Clearly they're in high demand. Give it about 4 days and they're will be another 100 put up for sale that you can then buy at 3 mil.

Personally, if I got one of those recipes, it would most likely get deleted. That's not high enough for me to list tbh. Plus, they don't move. Ever. Bleh. Crappy investment.

Now... Iron on the other hand... I could be the Iron King and rule with... an Iron fist


Oh... almost forgot my most important point:

CC is not actually evil with this. Sorry CC - you just supplied people with 3mil or so that they would more than likely never gotten. You bad person you!!!