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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
    Indeed, this.
    Been there. Done that. Got the T-Shirt.

    Its a REALLY nice shirt.

  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Void Spirit View Post
    As to the badge suggestions, would this upset the serious badgers in the game, that there would be badges that they could not afford?
    Could not afford or choose not to afford? I choose to not kill 800 of Mob X. But it doesn't mean I can't do it



    @Void Sprint

    Added to the list! Thanks! That's a great idea!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
    I want hookers dusted with coke, or whatever that suggestion in the other thread was.

    ... what, like we don't have the costume options already?
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Intrinsic View Post
    Have you tried spending those merits yet?

    I have not. The toon I bought the A - Merit on is 42. Hardly an idea place to /roll. Nor is the single merit enough to attempt to purchase something of value. I'll grab another one tomorrow and see if I can buy a nice low level proc or something.

    Edit: Had a friend who also does not have GR test this. He was able to purchase and roll. His rolls weren't great, but they weren't bad
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lohenien View Post
    Is this WAI ? It could be a bug.
    No idea. I know the game prevents you from acquiring a morality mission if you do not have GR - I personally do tips instead of papers when I'm bored - they're more interesting to me.

    I would speculate that this is indeed WAI - the Reward merits still need to be paid and on most accounts this is the hurdle that needs to be jumped - coming up with 50 reward merits every day is time consuming at best.
  5. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    This will be my last word on this:

    Perception of marketeers is what it is and will stay where it is because of the following reasons which are never likely to change:

    1. Marketeers move less product on a piece by piece basis than the rest of the community as a whole.
    2. Marketeers generally try to list their products below the going rate to ensure that product moves. If you are listing higher than the going rate and attempting to make a profit, you're doing it wrong (in most cases).
    3. The average player will generally list AND pay what the last 5 sold for, regardless of what is actually available. People pay 50k for salvage listed at 1inf every day in this game.
    4. When a product does spike, for any reason, the "common folk" are the ones who will list their wares slightly (or grossly) above the current going rate. This causes an "imaginary supply". Items which will never sell due to them being placed outside of the range that people are willing to pay. These items sit, showing 178 additional "whatevers" and you get mad because you can't buy one of these for a "reasonable" price.
    5. Just like in real life, your items are only worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. If you "value" an item that people are willing to pay $50 for at $1,000,000 its still only worth $50.
    It is because of all of the above that the general public has this perception that marketeers are ruining their economy. It is far easier to blame some faceless stranger than to understand they are the bigger portion of their own problems. They get mad about it - then list their purple for 500 mil <--- cause the last 5 sold for 400 mil, so they should get get more for theirs. And they take their shot at "sticking it to the man"

    This is a perception you will never be able to change until the day that the marketeers can figure out a way to actually control a very significant portion of the incoming supply. In a system where everything drops from everything, that aint gonna happen.

    I will also note that there are no less than 25 threads on the front page of this forum at the time of this post. I will note that 3 deal with salvage prices in one way shape or form. 1 is a marketeer "attempting" to be evil and failing (sorry Chaos - I call em like i see em) , at least 1 is a guide about how to make inf for very little effort, and I have a thread in which I am giving away hundreds of millions of inf to an individual for simply posting a number.

    Yet here we sit, discussing the "perception" of people who come to these boards and crying about how this single thread is devastating our public relations.

    *shakes head and wanders out of this sorry thread to go play with the big kids*
  6. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven View Post
    Well then it would be nice if those mods were more consistent with enforcing that rule. I see people using 'so many words' to such baseless and underhanded accusations on this board all the time.

    But for what it's worth, pardon my language. I'm still not convinced that anyone is going to be taking DevilYouKnow's words seriously, simply because he's saying things they don't want to hear. For some reason, people like to think that no one else's perceptions but their own actually count. But the collective perception of the players of this game most certainly does count, and if the non-market savvy folk outnumber the marketeers (and I'm certain that they do, by a very large number), then their perceptions of the market, however mistaken they might be, will be seen as true and regardless of what we actually know.

    So we all can either laugh at their collective ignorance (and make the occasional jerk-moves on the market, ahem!), or, you know, actually try and steer them down the correct path by trying as hard as we can to ensure that the market is seen as consistent. Of course all of us here know that trying to manipulate NMIs on the market even for a short while is pure folly, but I'm not convinced that just any old random player who happens to see such manipulation in action is going to know what's actually happening or why. They're just going to see crazy prices, get exasperated by it and maybe whine to their friends about it, who will likely just take their word for it.



    I am a nerd, not a geek.
    I actually always read, then re-read every post I disagree with. I try to see it from the other person's side and will often take an unpopular side in a discussion just to make people think.

    I have but a single requirement for anyone wanting to have a discussion with me though:

    Be able to back up your opinions with something other than "Because I said so". In my post above, in which hurt his feelings (sorry for that), I show over and over that his arguments can't stand on their own merit. They site "fact" but totally discount the flip side to said "fact". Its like saying: "I was hit by a bus" but totally disregarding the fact that you were playing frogger in the middle of a busy highway during rush hour.

    Heck, if you want to, his side seems to boil down to:

    Perception says that marketeers do bad things to ruin the economy because they can.

    Yet, he persists with drawing attention to a thread which is "detrimental" to the welfare of the perception of the masses.

    He also says:
    Quote:
    Well done on giving truth to the rumor that salvage is being controlled by ebillers. Things like this are the exact reason I don't identify myself as a marketeer or as ebill.
    In his very first post. From there it has been shown multiple times by multiple people that Goat did no such thing. He tried. He lost a pile of money. And he failed.

    He claims to not identify himself as a marketeer and yet:

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    Yes, if your focus in the game is making money ROI is very important and of course that much money is nothing to ebillers (I include myself in that as well) because we will always make more money. It is not even possible for us to be broke.
    He complains that the price went too high and that people couldn't get it right now for a "fair price". He further goes on to make the assumption that he, not the people paying for it, but HE should set what a fair price is:

    Quote:
    Except that paying 10 or 20 times the vendor price should be sufficient. I gladly pay that and my friends do as well, and people who list at vendor price know that either way they make the same money at least and in likelyhood far more.
    Thank you for telling me how to spend my money in a game I pay the $15 a month for. I appreciate it

    He claims that his friends are "too busy" to wait for salvage to be bought. I showed him that I purchased one for 500 while Goat was doing this. I waited 2 minutes. This is conceivably too long for him:

    Quote:

    What this arguement "wait around for things to be priced so you can afford them" ignores that it wastes real life time waitiing for artifically created price hike to drop.

    You show me a store or some trick in the game where I can add actual minutes back to my life and I will gladly argue that no harm is done by my waiting. You are wasting my real life time I could be playing with my newly crafted whatever just because you want to see if you can do it.
    Last time I checked, you are able to purchase things offline while you're busy doing all of the other things that are causing you to be too busy to "waste time" in this game.

    He talks about artificial salvage shortages. He talks about how supply is suddenly gobbled up by an evil marketeer doing this to spike the price. He asks why the prices on salvage are what they are... right after showing us why supply is limited.

    Quote:
    You are still missing the point I am trying to make. They know what they get for circuit board. They don't even bother listing it cause it drops all the time. Plenty of supply. (Paying 8 times the vendor price doesn't bother them so there actually is a reason to list them)

    Except for flippers and people jerking the prices around, why would something like this ever cost more than say 2 or 3 thousand?
    He argues time and time again. He contradicts himself in nearly everything he has done or said and when he has no more arguments, he gets pouty and says he's sorry for hurting our feelings.

    When Devil is able to come here, give credible, non-speculative arguments that hold some actual merit, I will be the first one to look them over. I may not agree with them, but I will give them a fair shake.

    As for you Coyote... when you can come here and give an argument that you aren't just regurgitating from someone who posted above you, then I'll give you some actual credit. No offense, but man, get an opinion already.
  7. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Anyone else notice how when cheese was brought into this thread that it took off again?

    Evil American Dairy Council at work here?

    /ponder




    @Fulmens:

    My Fiance had her post deleted today for that very thing. I believe the term she used was "moron", not stupid, but its same same to me. Her post was apt, and in reality, the guy deserved it. But alas, the great deities that are the forum moderators stepped in, deleted it, and slapped her hand via pm over the whole thing.

    And since we have diverged into poo flinging...

    Nethergoat is still the worst horse ever. Srsly.
  8. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven View Post
    You think the rest of us are imaginary?

    Prove that you are not just some figment of my imagination and we'll talk.
  9. I was talking with Fulmens and he suggested that I could possibly still purchase A-Merits even though I don't have Going Rogue.

    This had never occurred to me, as I assumed I was shut out of getting them in any way. Well, I hopped over to a character who had 50 reward merits on them, and took a shot.

    It is indeed true that you can purchase A-Merits for 20 mil + 50 reward merits, even if you do not purchase Going Rogue.

    This was a pleasant surprise. So spread the good word to your cheap / broke friends! Tell they too can burn inf and get the much coveted A-Merits!

    - Cheers!
  10. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pitho View Post
    There's also the old plain SOs that are ALWAYS buyable, no matter what.

    Heathen.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
    *runs off to Virtue to namesquat misalgined*
    Get off mah head!! Errr name... dang you!!
  12. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cardiff_Giant View Post
    I have a small problem with this...
    I understand that it's a "consignment house not a "store", but it's the only damn place to buy some stuff.

    Kinda like living in a small town with a nearby Walmart, If you need something you can't get at the convenience store down the street - then you're probably going to Walmart, or doing without.

    Ok, so lets say your cooking for a party and a recipe calls for something you don't have. So, you hop in the car and make a quick run to Wal-mart. When you get there, they don't have the (for fun = lets say) feta that your recipe calls for, and your Greek in-laws are going to be there for dinner!
    (And you have plans to go on an family-only TF, or ski-trip, or whatever afterward.)


    What are you going to do ask for a rain-check?
    Wait around for the truck to come in at 3am and hope there's some that shipment?
    Would you really hand them some cash as a 'down payment' on the next shipment of feta & tell them you'll be back later to see if there was any feta in the truck?

    Would you do the same if it was Hummus or Pita Bread, or... IDK - Doritos?

    What if you found out that from now on - you'll have to buy everything (non-perishable) on a layaway program?

    "Oh, you want wheat bread... Okay then sir, you can pay now and come back later and see if we've gotten it in yet - I know that's insane sir but its our policy now. Well sir, I suppose you could go make your own bread."

    I guarantee you there would be people going postal - hence the frustrations with the Market, particularly with Common Salvage.

    And if we applied real life to this scenario, when you went to Wal-Mart and they didn't have your ingredient, you would go outside and bonk a squirrel on the head and get that ingredient from it.

    Video game here. Not real life. Thanks!
  13. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow View Post
    Learning the market as you know it means understanding the invention system, which items sell and why, having some knowledge of the intrinsic value of an item (Alchemical silver is good, whatever the price. NMI only valuable rarely) and a little knowledge of economics helps. When prices get crazy for no discernable reason it makes it harder for people to understand how the market works.

    I have a decent idea of what IO sets are "good" and what are not. While this is one criteria for determining a niche, it really has a small impact on choices. Enfeebled Operation for example, has awesome def to smash and lethal. It offers not 1, but 2 separate bonuses to this effect. Yet, you can't give it away more often than not. Just because a set is used often does not make it a good investment.

    As for salvage, I honestly have no clue what things "should" cost and neither do most of the people who play this game. White = 1 - 100,000 yellow = 1,000 - 15,000 rare = about 2mil.

    That's the same amount of "understanding" you'll get from your average player and it works just fine.

    What we don't get, what we just can't wrap our mind around, is the fact that Goat did this at non-peak times. He did it for fun. He had such a minuscule impact on a single piece of salvage that *could* have been selling for loads all on its own and you come storming in waggling your finger saying how this is bad!

    Smack my hand with a ruler over something as stupid as this? I think not.

    You keep coming in here ******** about people's perceptions and I keep telling you the same thing. You're wrong. You won't admit it - I don't think you can - but there it is. The perception of the people in this game is impacted infinitely times more by the non-marketeers jumping in line to screw each other over than anything the marketeers do. Yet, through people's continued ignorance and your persistence in agreeing with philosophies you know are false, you help to facilitate, and indeed you even go so far as to propagate these falsehoods for the multitudes you claim to be coming here and judging us.

    You bounce from one argument to the next when you have them taken away from you. You ***** about what your time is worth, yet you sit here wasting your precious time trying to defend something that is neither true, nor relevant in any way shape or form. You ***** about perception of the masses, yet here you are feeding that perception by limply arguing that its true. You ***** about costs and fairness and how casual players get hosed - yet fail to acknowledge that goat got screwed (money-wise) while many players got a metric crap ton more for something that's worthless and his direct influence couldn't even impact the market significantly while he was doing it! I was able to bid and receive a NMI for 500 while he was having fun.

    You complain about supply, then point out that your friends, who are clearly the ones who got hosed for billions in this scheme, delete the exact same pile of dog turd salvage that was being messed with.

    You point out how lazy your friends are. So much so that you feel the need to store salvage for them. You enable them. You allow them to justify not spending 5k on something because you will supply it to them for free. Entitlement... again.

    Your arguments are contradictory in their own existence. Your arguments hold no value beyond your screaming that there is a perception that you yourself are enabling. Your arguments are old, tired, and in the end will do nothing more than perpetrate your belief that marketeers are essentially evil and screw with the good, law abiding folks of the game every chance they get. Its a perception that you know to be false - stop spreading it as gospel truth.
  14. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Funny story!

    So I had a character that was parked at level 4 for my guide as an experiment. As I have opted out of that experiment, I had a friend PL him to 10 in AE so I could get the little bit of money he had on him.

    I ended up with a few AE tickets and decide to random roll on bronze recipes. I listed all that I could (minus 1) for 1 inf. A few were deleted - oh well

    When he was done rolling, he ended up with 14 tickets. I figured they were wasted anyways, so I rolled on common salvage. I picked high end arcane for no particular reason and got...

    A Nevermelting Ice.

    I chuckled about this. Then I went to the market, and being a truly evil marketeer, I listed it...

    for 1 inf.

    It didn't sell.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
    Is it too late to change my guess to 867,530,900? I have no idea how I not only gave myself the song in my head, but typed it wrong, DID THE MATH AND REPEATED THE MISTAKE.

    I got it! I got the number written on the wall!
    I got it! For a good time call...

    We'll let it slide... this time!

    It changes your original guess by 800. Also, from the responses and from my own musical knowledge, we knew what you intended - even if you didn't
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
    people I might trust:
    heffroncm
    Misalgined
    Organica

    Dang... I'm going to have to work harder at this.

    Take that as you will >.>
  17. Perhaps I chose a poor title for this thread...

    Maybe it should have been named:

    "Suggestions for fun, stupid, pointless things you can blow inf on in the game."

    *shrug*
  18. Step 4: I got the power!


    Now is when you need to start balancing out your salvage storage on your character and the available slots on the market. You always want to have stock on hand ready to be posted. Keeping 20 in your inventory is great for that! So try to find a good balance of sales vs bids.


    I try for an even split myself, but it doesn't always work that way.


    Step 5: Repeat as necessary.


    Once you find a good salvage for you, work it. Work it hard! Check on this character at least when you log in and right before you log out. If this is your only character, make sure you check the market while you're running past it on missions!




    Quote:
    The numbers:


    If you can sell an average number every day, you will average a certain profit level per week. Below is a list of how many you sell on average in a day and what your profits are if you do:


    10 - $910,000
    20 - $1,820,000
    30 - $2,730,000
    40 - $3,640,000
    50 - $4,550,000
    60 - $5,460,000
    70 - $6,370,000
    80 - $7,280,000
    90 - $8,190,000
    100 - $9,100,000

    You can see that this can turn into a nice little profit machine with very little work from you once you get it up an running. This is NOT how the marketeers make all of their billions. In fact, if you did manage to max out at say 100 a day, you would need a little over 4 years to hit the inf cap on this character if you were doing nothing but this.


    This is not meant to get you billions, but it IS meant to get you up and running so you can do other things to make billions! I suggest reading Fury Flechette's guides and journals, Organica's guide to reading the market, as well as Archie's journal about hitting the inf cap in 5 days. They're all extremely informative and will help guide you on your way! This guide will provide you with the small amount of investment capital you will need to get started playing like the big boys (and girls)!


    Also, if all else fails, you know that this works for you. You know that you will always have this amount of income coming in as long as you keep it up. If you venture into deeper waters, and bomb horribly (I did! I do! I will!), losing most of your capital, you still have a back up!


    Good luck! And HAVE FUN!!!
  19. Step 3: Show me the money!


    Now, here is where the risk comes into play. You're about to list your salvage and the fee will make it so if you cancel your sales and vendor the salvage, you'll lose a tiny bit of money. Don't worry. All told, you will only lose 10,000 total and we've already seen how easy it is to get that back!


    Post your salvage, all of it, in stacks of 10 with a sell out price of 10,000-15,000. The 10,000 results in more sales, faster. The 15,000 results in more profitable sales. Pick a number and stick with it! I use 15,000. I'd rather make a bit more and do a bit less sales. To each his own!


    Now, GO PLAY! Its a game folks! PLAY PLAY PLAY!!


    Back? Have fun? Great! How did you do? Die a lot? I have that problem too


    Well, how did your sales go?


    Sold them all?! Wow! Amazing! Great job! Repeat the process and go to STEP 4


    Sold some? Great job! Did you sell enough so that you have a market slot available? Bid up 10 more of those bad boys for every open market slot you have and GO PLAY!


    Didn't sell any? No worries! Check back tomorrow!


    When you come back tomorrow, did you sell any? Did you sell at least half? Are you happy with the amount you sold?


    Here's the part where you need to decide if you want to look into another piece of salvage. If you've sold even one, you've covered your costs. So no worries about vendoring your stock if you decide to pull it.




    Quote:
    For this experiment it took me 4 separate tries to get a “good” salvage. I always sold at least 1 of the salvage I was looking at, and this always covered my listing fees. Even after pulling them all and vendoring them, I had more inf than when I started.
    If you didn't sell at least half of your stock after 24 hours, I would suggest looking at another piece. We're trying to deal in volume here, and you're only trying to sell 40 of these. If it takes more than a day to sell 20, we've got better things we could be selling!
  20. Step 2: The good stuff!


    Ok, now that you have your 50,000 (or more) its time to turn it in to millions!


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    This will not happen over night! Patience is the key when doing anything with the market!
    Here's the plan: You're going to buy one kind of salvage. You're going to offer one set price and you're going to sell one kind (the same kind you are bidding on) of salvage at a different set price.
    Go back to the Market and open up the salvage. Start looking through all of the uncommon (yellow) salvage. Here's the markers you are looking for:


    1. Salvage that has about 300-600 available for sale.
    2. Salvage that has less than 50 bidding on it.
    3. Salvage that has recently sold for over 10,000. (not necessary, but a plus!)
    4. Salvage that has all 5 spots as selling today.


    Quote:
    The “why”


    1. This makes it a somewhat limited item. Things with too little supply are going to be hard to buy. Things with too much supply are going to be hard to sell.
    2. If you find something with 500 for sale and 12,000 bidding, that item is in high demand. You're going to have a hard time getting any supply.
    3. If everything shows as the salvage selling for 500 or 1000, its not a valuable piece of salvage and people won't pay the “good money” to get it now! (not always true. Sometimes a run will happen where a lot moves at lower prices YMMV with this one)
    4. We want movement on our salvage and lots of it! If only one sells a day, we're not going to move anything!

    This part is kind of a guess, so don't worry if you don't hit that perfect salvage the first time!


    So start looking for something that matches our markers above.


    Once you have your salvage picked out, start by bidding 500 x 10 for all 4 of your market spots.


    Why 500? Well, this gives you priority over people bidding 100 or 123 or 11 or 1 and in the end, you're not making a huge dent in your profits.


    Now go play the game! This isn't Monopoly! Go arrest bad guys! Go do villainous stuff! GO


    PLAY!


    Back? Have fun? Great!


    How does your market look? Did you buy a lot of the salvage you were bidding on?


    Yes? Great! Go to STEP 3


    No? Don't worry! Check back tomorrow and see how you did. Some days are slow. Some are busy. Don't get down if it doesn't click immediately!


    When you come back the next day, did your bids come through?


    Yes! Great! Go to STEP 3


    No? Don't worry! Grab what you did buy, vendor it (at a profit, yay!) and try again with a different salvage after canceling all of your current bids.
  21. Step 1: Getting started!


    You're now level 4. Grats! Eventually you will want to shoot for level 10, as you cannot email your vast fortune off to any of your other characters until you're level 10, but for now, level 4 is good enough! We reach level 4 because at level 4, you can hold 15 salvage. This is key to our market adventure, so don't try this before level 4. It will make you pull your hair out! Level 3 will get you 8 slots, and soon enough you will have 2 extra to make 10, but come on... its level 4! Plus, you'll need a tiny bit of start up cash.


    You have a bit of inf from getting to level 4, and really, this is all you will need to start out. I ended up with 1,517 inf from killing stuff and selling my enhancements that dropped. I don't plan on playing this guy, so I sold my training enhancements. If you simply must keep them or if you slotted them, no biggie!


    The goal for this step is to get at least 50,000 inf.

    Quote:
    If you have 50,000 inf or more on you, skip to STEP 2

    “50,000!!?? Oh my! I've never seen so much money!!”


    Don't panic! Its not too hard. Here's what we're going to do. Go to the Black Market or Wentworths and start putting your market slots to work!


    At this point, you have 4. This is plenty! More is better, but this is perfect for your brand new character!


    At this point, you will have to put in a small bit of leg work if you're not sending yourself the 50k. I promise this will be the absolute hardest part, so don't be overly worried about it.


    On the left side of the market interface are categories. Click on the bottom one: Salvage. Now expand out the Invention header by clicking on Invention. On the right side you will have a somewhat long list of all of the invention salvage that is available in the game.


    Notice how some are white, some are yellow, and some are orange? We're going to start with the white ones. Start clicking through them until you find one where there are 0 bids. I cannot tell you which piece of salvage this will be, so this one's on you, sorry Generally whites will have the most sales at 1 inf. If you're having no luck, or if you just want to, you can try the uncommons (yellow) and rares (orange). Just remember to stick with the stuff with 0 bids on it!


    Find one? Great! Now bid 1 on 10 of them ( Bid 1 x10 ). Do this for 4 different pieces of salvage. Get any? Well, maybe you did, maybe you didn't. If you didn't, don't worry! This is a bit like fishing. If you prefer to speed up the process, you can Bid 11 x10 instead of 1. But I find it to be about the same.


    Keep doing this, collecting the purchased salvage until you can't hold any more. Feel free to cancel a bid at any time if you're not getting any bites.

    Quote:
    Alternate method: If salvage isn't your thing, you can always open the recipe area, click “other” and bid 1 on level 50 generic IO recipes. These sell for about 80-100k each, so you will only need to get lucky once Since you can only carry 1 recipe at a time right now, don't go too crazy with this!
    Quote:
    Alternate method #2:

    1. Do the Tutorial and don't use your big inspires.

    2. When you Atlas, train and sweep to Wents. By the time you do that you will have a few hundred influence.

    3. List the inspires for 5 inf each. Watch them insta-sell for anywhere from 60,000 to 150,000.

    5. Profit
    Once you have 15 salvage on you (not the market) it is time to start making your starting money! Run over to the closest vendor and sell it all. Whites are worth 250, yellows 1,000, and oranges are worth 5,000. To get to our 50k starting point, we'll need to sell about 200 whites. Bleh. Yes its some work. No, its not a lot of fun. But it CAN be done if you have 0 inf on another character to share. If you can spare the 50k from another toon, do it! Otherwise, its 14 trips to the vendor for you!




    Ok! Back so soon?! Great job! It took me about 50 minutes to get my 50k. Like I said, mailing it would have been MUCH easier.


    Moving on!
  22. (Re-post from this thread: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=239252)

    How to: Low level Nest-Egg start up with almost no cost

    When I began this guide, I was attempting to get into “diet” marketeering. I wasn't interested in making billions. Well, to be fair, I was, but I knew myself and I knew that I wouldn't be willing to put in the time needed to make huge money that way.

    The method below is perfect for those who want to get a foot in the door at the market. It helps you build a nice steady stream of inf over time, and can be used on any server at any level. There really is no "trick" to it. In fact, the system below is easy enough that both a 9 year old, and a 15 year old have followed it and made it work! This will get you millions, and if you have a few years to kill, BILLIONS!


    So I began my journey with Experiment 1b. I made a brand new, level 1 character on Infinity, a server I had no characters on, and got to work. First things first. I had to level him a bit. You get very little in terms of storage at level 1 (salvage, market slots, ect.) and so I needed room to grow.


    I ran around Atlas killing things as I normally would. I tend to street sweep a lot in lower levels. I made it to level 4 and visited Ms. Liberty.


    At this point I had almost no money. Lucky for me, I have alts who do! We however, will cover what you will need to do to get some money if you don't have some you can send over. I didn't send anything to myself and you won't have to either! (Though I highly recommend it!)
  23. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nethergoat View Post
    naw, it was just me having some fun, the way people do when they play a game.

    Well stop it!! There will be no fun in this game! Stop right now!! NOW I SAY!

  24. Round 2 complete!

    43 of 56 enhancements slotted.

    Notes:

    Salvage levels continue to decline for mid-level salvage. Rares especially. I'm getting them for my preferred price, but not right away. Sometimes not even after a little bit. There's a lot of 30-60 for sale, 100-200 bidding slots in the rares.

    I'm having a lot of fun with this! I'm looking at some of these enhancements and I'm thinking to myself, "Man, I would NEVER pay that for that enhancement OR the recipe! Why did I lock myself into these levels!! " Yeah, I'm looking at you, Mr. Bask. Gaze Quad...

    We'll see how it shakes out in the end
  25. Misaligned

    neverselling ice

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow View Post
    Doesn't it strike you as ironic that you claim people are suffering from entitlement issues when you feel perfectly entitled to jerk the market around for fun?

    The problem is that some of your fun comes at the expense of others.

    Just like the guy selling flashlights for 50 bucks in blackout, people may pay what you ask but you aren't going to convince them that you did them a kindness.

    But thanks for explaining the motivation for this kind of thing. Next time demonic blood sample hits 3 million I will understand that it's all in fun and just because someone can do it.

    (but just so you know that is the classic power poilitics defense. "becasue we can")
    Wow. Just... wow.