Memphis_Bill

Specifically to ramp their threat up some and (mechanics/gameplay/bit of lore-wise) to evolve the group and create some new threats besides eminators.

Who says there should be any "fault?" Why are you trying to imply there should be some sort of blame, or that someone's - for lack of a better way of putting it - playing incorrectly if they don't slot that? Honestly, at the rate I get shards, yes, it can be a *long* time before I have enough to consider a tier1, much less anything giving a level shift... and of course those shards only apply toward Alpha, really (don't go into "conversion," as the rate and speed there is not worth considering.)

And when it comes to the Batallion, given it's an event that (unlike the Puddle of Annoyance and Praetoria) has been built up, quite literally, for years, it shouldn't be locked away to where it needs the incarnate system. Again, some content, sure. All, no. Impact and accessibility of the Rikti invasion (once RWZ was unlocked) writ large.

Oh, I agree, I'm surprised it hasn't been officially done either. And I think there'd be a heck of a fight for control between the Shapers and Hamidon.

>.> Introduce it (with some leaked-through Praetorian DE) in a Crey's Folly revamp. If any zone should get the DE angry (and the coralax going,) it'd be Crey's.

Fastest way, if you don't get it earlier:
Level 30+. Science store, Brickstown. One fast mission killing Rikti.


As far as the OP:

Thematically, it IS still undergoing reconstruction and potentially isn't stable - I could see not wanting to move a train stop there.

Convenience-wise, it's not like Founders Falls (which was a bit of a haul from Talos before it had a train stop.) It's REALLY close to the south train, *plus* has an entrance from Pocket D.

... assuming they were actually interested in it in the first place.

I don't rush off to craft everything I have in Invention salvage, either, and that's more useful to me overall, IMHO. Same with the various forms of merits. I have some with hundreds (in the case of incarnate tickets, thousands) that have just been sitting there.

Being there is not a driver to use them. Being actually interested in the system attached to them is.

Yep. If you haven't seen the NCNinjas... well, if you haven't seen them, they're doign their job properly. You get alpha unlocked and *bam* they're there yelling at you to get shards and craft something.

... did an AE arc on that long ago, too. Well, touching that.

And point of interest - Coralax were mentioned as an EAT ages ago.

... which, given the rest of the game is geared towards alts, is (IMHO) a problem with the incarnate system.

And no, I hope they don't stick "Minimum 54, Incarnates only" or any nonsense like that for the Batallion. Some content, sure. All, no.

I have, as a base, just shy of 30 L.50 characters across two accounts.

Answering more than you asked:

Fully incarnated by your definition - zero.
T4 power in at least one slot - zero
Highest level shift - 3 (two, maybe three characters I can think of off the top of my head.)
Intention of making full incarnates - zero. Might happen, but it won't be from "OMG, I have to do it!"
Characters w Multiple power trees from any single slot - One, I think.
Characters with just Alpha unlocked/slotted - most of those.
Characters with Hybrid unlocked/slotted - zero. (Two close, for unlocks.)
Characters I intend to not touch the system with - Zero. Mostly because I like using Ramiel's arc as a level 50 "check" - do they have any problems soloing it - much like I use a Shivan run in the late teens to see how they're doing.

Check out my guides link (in the sgnature.) There's one there for the original COH trailer, and some discussion about those - IIRC, Twilight Men = Malta, Fear Factor I *believe* became the Freakshow (or maybe that was killing crew... yeah, have to read it again. )

The scariest part of this thread is that I'm agreeing with Venture. Repeatedly. Just need Evilgeko to come in and agree and I think it kicks off the End Times. Besides, as far as I'm concerned, the Well as it stands now = the Midichlorians of COH.





Plus, Mazey, I think your explanation is... off. Then again, I may be thinking of the older (non sentient yet still odd but easily ignored) lore... where Pandora's Box basically collected a little bit of the potential, the rt, etc. and someone went around and reopened it every once in a while, where the Well was... well, something else, certainly not sentient.

I'll also point out that, as far as TS is concerned, he's running from the future 9at th etime of ouro,) from the Coming Storm, whose ships (and here's where I find the lore bit utterly ridiculous) are "powered by" Kheldians - and, again, he's the "last one."

Now, seriously just sit and think about that for a few seconds. We have a species capable of intergalactic travel - the Kheldians. They're *from* someplace outside the Milky Way. Without ships (see the guide and FFM's redname answer to how they travel.) They don't need incarnate power for that any more than we need "incarnate power" to walk down to the store (assuming said store isn't 50 miles away.)

If you toss a rock into the middle of a school of fish, they scatter.

Logically, the Kheldians could "scatter" across *multiple galaxies,* passing the word along. That would make it exceptionally hard, "We have your well!" or not, to wipe out the species.

Because people play for different reasons. Some people want to min/max builds. Some people "cant' stand" low level content. Some people only want to PVP.

And some people really do care about what happens with the storyline. Like me.


How do we make lore matter more? Set wires up in the devs chairs. Every time they start with the "We don't care bout old, just new new new!" or some ... *item* like the way the Well is presented now, or just get inconsistent, they get shocked until they stop.

Should point out that on Guardian, Saturday nights (it coincides with another TF run...) there's a VEAT-only mothership raid. All levels welcome, but must be VEAT. (A normal raid normally follows fairly quickly.)

Just to point out there are alternate ways of doign it.

Now, that's competely unfair.





You get that same look trying to explain it to some people who DO play the game.

Yeah, I'm not sure what it's supposed to "prove" either. I've several 50s with SOs/HOs/common IOs that do just fine, yes even in BAF and Keyes.

Joining the "Not sure how relevant to the rst of the discussion" crowd here, though.

... both temporary and a vet reward.

(1) Stuff like this is part of the reason I despise the whole "well" bit, and
(2) that makes... no sense at all. It's like saying "There was an arsonist who burned down a house on fifth and main, and because it was an important house, every city in the world burned down." And that comparison wouldn't be hyperbole.

If you scale it down to being "they've exterminated/captured the Kheldians *in this galaxy*" or "Along their invasion route," it's... slightly less difficult to swallow (going back to the arsonist, "one house caught fire, and it spread to several others in the neighborhood.")

(3) Given incarnate trials and what Prometheus's group "knows," the whole "captured the well" bit should be... well, moot, unless the devs are suddenly going to de-Incarnate every Kheldian that's reached that level. Heck, Khelds should (by that line of thought) be twice as powerful, as they'd have two "wells" to draw from, potentially. Still... Find some of the Khelds, start the prep-work, and raise a new one to that level. Scaling it down, it's like saying "They've bombed the HQ and killed General Smith" kills any chance of ever having an army ever again... as opposed to promoting a capable officer to take General Smith's place. There might be some chaos immediately after, sure, that's a given.


As mentioned... no, I don't like the whole "well" thing to begin with.

Going to modify what you're saying here a bit (and it's an interesting idea overall.) This is really a bigger "legacy problem" for *Peacebringers.* Something I've mentioned in the past (and do believe I mention in 'raising a peacebringer.') The Warshade (at least Human and Dwarf) can build on each other. Don't take dwarf, you actually do lose out on another Mire, for instance. The Warshade is a shifter, while the PB - less so now with the LF, IL, etc. changes admittedly - is more "three characters in one." The forms don't buff each other at all.

I will argue, as well, that the "useless dead weight" doesn't hold as *much* weight with IOs, as the decision was made (or bug allowed to stand) that set bonuses in forms you're not in right now were allowed to carry over. For SO or simply frankenslotted builds, however, it does still hold true to a point. (And those IO builds will tend to be the reason I find it hard to agree with "well, just share the powers between forms" - it could potentially be a serious nerf to established builds, and not a minor respec issue.)

Well, that and I think they were being highly conservative with the "T for Teen" rating. I mean, until you get to Phipps (in the I6/i7 timeframe,) they seem to be *right* along with the "No, no, nobody's killed, just.... defeated, whatever that means to you." There may be a lot of things implied at places, but aside from 1-2 arcs earlier on, you don't really deal with the *personal* consequences of your actions until you learn "Oh, a widow and her children are now blind and totally dependant on Phipps," for instance.

They've gotten a little blunter lately with actually having people die (and not just states.) But that rating concern, I think, also really held back what they could have done with redside.

However, yes, I think that wall (motivation) was a bigger obstacle. While there are... degrees of heroes (from superpowered boyscout to vigilante,) they don't make *much* difference - you're still fine saving everything from a kitten in a tree to multiple worlds. A villain, though... some just want everything for themselves, some have specific agendas, some think they really *are* doing good by their own yardstick, and some, as stated, "want to watch the world burn." Short of flat out asking at the beginning and having four (or more) storyarc tracks from 1-50, I'm not sure how they could accommodate all the various villain flavors. (And they'd still leave some out, I'm sure.)

Short form:
Find TUNNEL system entrance. Go to Night Ward.
Enter mansion right by Tunnel entrance.
Get badge that's right at entrance.
Have celebratory sandwich.

http://paragonwiki.com - Be careful when using a search engine on COH stuff, as the Wikia site keeps popping up, and is out of date (and often a gateway for malware.) The paragonwiki/cohtitan.com site is fine, though.

For the specific request and a list of what, where and what level - http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Task_Force

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