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Methinks you are starting to have bad side effects from inhaling all that influence smoke...

Hallucinations are not good

I'm not sure, but I think the OP was referring to marketeering (buying / reselling) of items. So im not sure selling of afk pvp drops counts. I've wandered across you pile of toons before, lol. Quite sneaky.

ROFL. So true.

I reject your suggestion. Buh bye thanks for playing.

As for not being able to match a bill - if it's one I need to perfect a build I'd be offering in the 2-3 billion range. Or even trades for other rares. So uh...yea I think I can hang.

There's a difference between ignoring and simply knowing when something is wrong. You're simply wrong and I've stated it. I just don't feel I have to do it every single time.

Here's what I'm working from here - real in game market experience over long periods of time. Based on the way I've played the market (and I know quite a few players who use the same tactics and strategies) - I have achieved control of many different items over time, I've continued control on some items for months at a time, often longer (in two cases much longer), and profited handsomely is and understatement.

Two thoughts:

1 - Control doesnt mean I 100% control every piece that goes through. It means that I manage to flip and handle enough of the sales that I keep a consistent and strong profit.

2 - Limiting factors that would interrupt being able to do this simply comes down to resources. I don't even find luck is as big a factor as some have stated.

All I'm saying is that's simply what I've done in the market. I've consistently done what some of you are saying is not possible. I also feel that it's pretty straight forward overall. If someone tells you its not possible, but you go and do it and find it's totally possible, I would say it is in fact possible.

I also said don't bother with telling me whether you feel its worth it or not. Saying you dont find the effort worth it is simply telling me you either 1) are unwilling to commit to doing it properly, 2) dont have the resources to do it properly, 3) possibly dont really know how to do it properly. If any of those factors are correct - then your statements that its not possible are completely flawed. Because you arent able to do it for one reason or another does not mean something is not possible.

I think i'll leave it at that.

I personally find you get a couple of those that just up and bid the "last 5". However almost every sale I make in the 500 mill and up range are with 25 to at most 50 million over what I list at. I can't remember especially in recent months seeing anyone swoop in and randomly pay me more than 50 million more what I asked. Definitely not in the realm of 100 mill or more. Usually most of my sales are within the 10-25 mill of my listing price.

According to what you are saying I should see a bunch of random 100 to 200 mill over my asking price sales when im listing in the 500 million + range. I do not see this.

A question would be - what level of control are you trying to exert on the prices yourself ? Are you just popping items up and letting the other sellers and flippers in a particular niche help you set pricing ? Or are you proactively creating conditions to set a price ?

What you refer to as a bidder of last resort I see as bidders who have been steered into paying the 150 + range. I see a marketeer working an item. Just based on that last 5 picture I'm not seeing the huge variability of random purchases. This seems somewhat under control at the time the marketeer was working it. Of course its a mini snap shot, but still says a lot.

You say the market is setting the price in that scenario ? With no outside influence ? No. I see 3 of the last 5 sales people were willing to offer that IO for under 50 million. However, a profiteer has stepped in to buy all the stuff that the players are willing to offer up cheaper. It actually provides a hint of what the prices on that item might be like IF no profiteer was working the item. That IO might regularly go for the 50 mill range ? Possible. Cant know for sure. We would not know unless the profiteer or (s) left the niche completely. However we do know that there are quite of few sales that would have occurred at a much lower price had someone not "bought up the low price stuff". This has forced players who did not get the lower priced items to be steered or forced to buy the much more expensive item.

It's not really that hard right ? It's a game with a closed system. We dont have players from other MMO's bringing their wares to our MMO's market and affecting conditions.

I want to ask a question. In all seriousness are you telling me you cannot achieve control of items ? I mean personally have you done it ? Can you do it ? Can you continue to do it over time ? Can you or have you profited from it ? Profited handsomely ? The question is for anybody who want to answer it ?

Can you or can you not do it ? Not whether you feel like doing it right now. Not how much work you feel you have to invest to do it ? Have you or have you not been able to achieve this for profit ?

So we've seen a bit of the denial stage...is this still denial or moving into the anger stage ? I know eventually there is acceptance but cant remember all the mess in between ... It does at least fit into the wild, far fetched, and as completely untrue as you can get though.

Tears is tears i quess.

And I still lmao whenever you try and trot out this dribble. I often wonder if you are just that dense and really believe that, or if you are just trying to confuse those who've seen the market can be rigged into thinking it cant ?

Perhaps part of your inability to either market effectively or understand whats going on, is you often look at low cost stuff that a LOT of players dont care if they drop 100 on it or 100,000. Or 100,000 vs 1,000,000. They dont want to dink around with bid creeping, just want to get their goods and get on with the crafting, get on with playing.

However I KNOW that most players once you pass a certain threshold of value, will almost always bid creep.

Once you hit that threshold there is little inconsistency. If there's a marketeer in the niche, its often obvious. Sometimes there's a couple. Still obvious.

For crying out loud most of you all have made it your business to tell everyone how its done, what bid format identifies yourselves, and otherwise brag extensively about your monetary conquests. Am I to understand you've had ZERO influence on the prices of items in your endeavors ? That you don't flip and/or control to earn PROFIT ?

All I can say is get a grip and stop being such hysterical hypocrites. One thread there is the bragging of massive profit and controlling a niche. Next thread ... no no wait *waves hands* it was all an illusion. These are not the results you are looking for...

ROFL, i mean who do you really think you are fooling.

I know what you can do in the market. The level of control especially in valuable items is consistently reproducible. I do it daily. I do it right. I'm quite astoundingly rich from it. And I've demonstrated that as well.

On the other hand back to your head injury theory - i think the level of density in yours it quite obvious. I wonder if its possible to injure one so thick.

Nice fantasy world you are living in. ROFL.

Or maybe its better stated that your ineptitude as a seller means that YOU arent affecting prices. Letting said ineptitude sully the reputation of competent marketeers, seems to be quite silly.

ROFL, actually that was even better to drink than the tears of denial. That one really made my day.

Still ROFL, ty ty *takes a bow*.

You know all I was really thinking i'd get out of ya's was a *cookie*. I simply didn't foresee how absolutely rich a couple of the reactions would be.

Awesome. I think this can be some great fun from a competitive stand point. I know I've ramped up a few of my marketing strategies to reinvigorate income. The more takers the better.

I understand most of the original interest on fulmens part was to burn inf from the game. I find for me its just more the fun of having another facet of the game to compete in. I personally dont even remotely care about achieving a high ranking for the SG. Its all about who's throwing more into it to win it. Heck, as far as i'm concerned, they could even take the SG's out of the main ranking list and create a sub list of groups with prestige count based on investments only.

*Pops on helmet, and pulls on driving gloves. Rev's throttle tauntingly*

I missed the double dog dare post. I must've lost it in series of "nuh uh, no way posts". Thats the kind of "hurrah lets go" I was hoping to find in making this endeavor more fun anyways.

ROFL ... Let the scent of denial hang heavy in the air.