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Quote:Even so, Sega was really a mess back then, too. Really, they'd been royally ****ed since the 32x (some might even argue it was as far back as the SegaCD).Originally Posted by OzzieArcane
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Quote:Actually, Sega was already on its last legs when the Dreamcast came out, and everyone could see it. SE would never have picked Sega under the conditions it was in. Given the circumstances, Sony was the only option. Lucky them.Originally Posted by OzzieArcane
They were lucky. If Square didn't pick them, they wouldn't have won. If Square had picked Sega we'd be talking about the Dreamcast 2 now instead of the PS3.
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Quote:Except UMDs failed spectacularly, Blu-Ray inflated the system's price to the point of causing a media debacle that utterly destroyed their early sales, and their implementation of 3D is not only 100% terrible (requiring a $5000 specially-designed TV, with glasses costing about $150 per pair, and we haven't even gotten into the cost of the games), but Nintendo beat them to it with superior technology* (the 3DS needs no glasses, and the 3D is apparently pretty good).Originally Posted by Quasadu
I'm not so sure. I guess it depends on how and when it was all implemented. If Nintendo came out with a CD system at the same time or before the PS, then you're probably right. Developers would be more inclined to focus on the system that would get them the most sales, and that would be Nintendo, because it was the king. But going back to my point, I think if they were going to stick with CD's at that point, they would have stuck with their partner and the work that had already been done.
If the PS came out and was the big success that it was, and then Nintendo went to CD to compete with PS2, it might not be so simple. I don't think Square Enix is the be all, end all of the story and I think at that time there would be a split again among development dollars and jockeying for exclusive titles and so on. If Microsoft also got into the mix in this hypothetical version of history as it did in our real history, then who knows what would have happened?
So I think my opinion is that there is some validity to his points about how Sony got its foot in the door, but once that foot was in and the Playstation got established, I don't think their successes after that point can all be credited back to the failure of their competition.
In fact I think it is the foresight that Sony had in regards to emerging and far-reaching technologies that made them successful. CD's, DVD's, high storage capacities, USB, Blu-Ray (maybe a gamble backing their own horse but one that paid off), and now 3D. Bob mentions these but rather than giving Sony credit for being insightful, he says it was dumb luck.
Sure I think there was some luck involved, and some serendipitous timing, and some help from missteps on the part of Nintendo, but I think Sony also, by the way, built three really kick *** gaming consoles that deserve some freakin' credit. And I don't think the fact that they have some stiff competition now means they are going to fail, or that there really is any substantial indication right now to suggest that they are failing.
And wow, I totally didn't set out to lay out my own theory on all this. But there it is.
Disclaimer, btw, I'm not really a fanboy of any variety. I have all three current gen consoles and a gaming PC and I loves them all, like my childrens.
Also, the PS2 was one half riding its predecessor's reputation, and one half not getting any real competition. The Xbox did okay in the US and Europe, but Japan completely shunned it (and at the time, they were the bulk of gaming's money). The Gamecube suffered from all the damage caused by the last two Nintendo consoles. In reality, it was an exceptional console (easy to program for, capable of superior graphics in comparison with the PS2, etc.), but the first half of the console cycle was spent earning back the trust of the third-party developers. Sega's rampant mismanagement and the PS1's stellar reputation meant that the most vital Christmas season for the Dreamcast was dominated by PS2 sales, which marked the end for Sega. So in the end, the PS2 was free to do what it wanted. As Bob said, incorporating DVD technology was the one truly savvy thing they did that time around.
Also, the evidence of the PS3's failure is their consistent seat in last place of the current console cycle. For a while, their sales managed to be less than the PS2's.
*Oh, and actually, a certain specific game beat them to it, as well, by having a 3D edition, though I don't know how good the 3D is. -
Quote:But what I'm saying is if the only bad thing they had done was screw Sony, and if they had just made a CD-based console with someone else, then Sony would still have been left out in the cold, because Square would have stuck with Nintendo.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
yeah, but their msitake still was what motivated square's move. you remember they had that concept video of the ffVI guys, they would have stuck with nintendo if yamauchi didnt hate those dang kids on his lawn. (and he did it again in the gc era with his dislike of online gaming)
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Quote:Actually, it doesn't matter how they did it, a CD-based console for Nintendo would have killed Sony's plans, even if the betrayal still took place. Square-Enix only ditched Nintendo because they stuck with cartridges (SE has no concept of loyalty, as they demonstrated to both Nintendo and, unsurpringly to anyone but Sony fanboys, Sony, so what Nintendo did to Sony probably didn't bother Squaresoft in the least).Originally Posted by Quasadu
Other than perhaps my attempt at humor, what's failed? It's pretty much right - if Nintendo was going to stick with CD's then they wouldn't have scrapped that project, which was being developed through partnership with Sony. If that had happened, Sony would not have developed their own console. They had no interest in doing so.
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Quote:Fixed.Originally Posted by Quasadu
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Quote:There are tons of words for hate, both the noun AND the verb version:Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
How do you figure?
Two of those are just repetitions for emphasis, one's a corruption of another and another isn't really a word so much as a symbol.
verb:
despise
loathe
detest
abhor
noun:
noun versions of most of the above words
odium
revulsion
disgust (towards a person)
And I'm sure there's many more when you get into slang or allow multi-word phrases in. -
A way to rephrase the argument might be:
If Nintendo had not been morons and gone to CDs and not alienated their third-parties etc., and if Sega had not been such general ****-ups, Sony wouldn't have gotten their foot in the door. -
Quote:You know, while I like the Funimation VAs, generally speaking, I can't watch any episode featuring Kazuki Yao in English. He's just so great as Bon Clay, the guy doing it in English can't compare, unfortunately. Eiichiro Oda liked him so much that the character of Franky was designed specifically to give him a permanent spot on the cast (well, Oda figured they needed a new crew member anyway, but he made sure that Yao was the only choice for the role).Originally Posted by Greenykins
Similarly with me. Once it started streaming on Hulu I gave it shot and fell in love. Especially after hearing Buggy the Clowns dub voice(FUNimation not 4Kids). The VA is Mike McFarland and he does an imitation of Mark Hamil's Joker, but more gruff sounding.
I'm up to episode 125 and own volumes 14-28(26 is in the mail though...) of the manga. -
Quote:It's the longest of the three current long-runners, at 59 volumes (Naruto is at 52, Bleach at 46), and the anime has been on the air since 1999 (in Japan). Following its tenth anniversary, it's been broadcast in HD (you can tell even without an HD monitor because it's in HDTV-format widescreen on the official site). It has the least filler, as well (it's had one or two more filler arcs than Bleach, but One Piece's filler arcs last less than ten episodes, generally). Two things cause this amazing phenomenon:Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Then the question is whether or not One Piece had more manga volumes to start with than DB, Bleach, Naruto or any other Shonen Jump series. Filler is injected usually because the next story arc in the manga isn't finished yet. It's usually that simple.
-Eiichiro Oda has tons of creative control, so he typically adds lots of detail that he can't fit into the manga. stretching out the anime without sacrificing quality content.
-Eiichiro Oda can also turn stories that were previously relegated to short cover stories into full-fledged episodes, such as the Whereabouts of the Comrades subplot (long story, but suffice it to say they were awesome episodes).
And one more thing, is that most of One Piece's filler is pretty okay (the first filler arc was absolutely terrible, but they were new at it, but that Alternate Universe two-part filler was totally Epic Win). -
One Piece is the best-written of all the currently active long-running anime series. Bleach is bogged down by filler and a plot that gets worse every second (did anyone even see Aizen's new form?!), while Naruto is bogged down by filler and a plot that gets worse every second ("Whoops, sorry for killing everyone, lemme pop a group rez.").
One Piece actually improves with every new arc. Alabasta dragged on quite a bit, and Skypeia had some problems, but Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, and especially Impel Down (and the ongoing Marineford arc) are absolutely amazing. Not only is the writing impeccable, the art and voice acting are perfect for the over-the-top storybook-meets-TTGL antics that are the show's mainstay. Also, One Piece is known for having the least drawn-out fights in anime, with the fewest whole-episode monologues during said fights, and basically Oda-sensei knows how to cut to the ****in' chase, something the other guys could take notes on. -
Just because Nintendo is currently better than its competitors does not make those who acknowledge it "fanboys". Nintendo is just making better decisions right now than Sony or Microsoft (although Microsoft is doing okay).
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Quote:This is relevant.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Little do many realize that they are just being bossed around by the master herb...
That's right: While the persimmons bide their time, the thyme bids the persimmons. -
Quote:And the persimmons are just biding their time...Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
I remember the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. We put that uprising down, but the Onions were just a matter of time.
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Quote:I didn't know onions ate llamas.Originally Posted by Veritech
damn llama. keep that up and we feed you to a European.
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Quote:Red Hulk also has total control over hte amount and placement of his body hair, so he just hides his 'stache until he's ready to turn back into General Ross. It makes it harder to know it was him.Originally Posted by Samothrake
what really had me scratching my head was that Rulk had no mustache.
Yet when he reverted to Ross, it grew back.
It has been repeatedly shown that whatever state Banner's hair is in when he changes into Hulk, ol Greenskin has that state of hair.
I know, it's a wierd thing to nit-pick out of the whole story, but it still bothers me.
Either that or it's a gaping plot hole left by the fact that Red Hulk's identity was pulled entirely out of the writers' ***es. -
Of course!
It's really the only way this ****storm of pure idiocy could have gone. If they'd picked someone that made sense, it would have gone against everything Rulk stood for. I, for one, would have been disappointed if they hadn't picked someone mind-numbingly stupid for the reveal. -
Well, Chicago lost the Olympics to Rio de Janeiro because the commitee thought it'd be safer. Well, what's a little kidnapping nowadays?
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Quote:That's your answer to everything.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Bah and spit.
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Quote:The Game Overthinker is a series on Youtube (and later ScrewAttack, because it won a contest). A guy named Bob talks about the deeper philosophical side of gaming culture, very few deal with specific games (and those that do only do so to illustrate a larger concept). The series is extremely well-done, with Bob being the most intelligent and passionate of all the gaming-related web personalities out there (no offense to Yahtzee or the Nerd, they're both good, just not so highbrow).Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
This is the first I've heard of this series. Explain?
I'm at work and can't watch the video at this time. I will when home, but I'm impatient.
Also, quickly before this thread messes around and gets deleted.
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Quote:We call it Uplink.Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
It does seem like Valve is willing to take chances with what it puts on Steam.
They are willing to put smaller indie titles upfront and center, stuff that would never see the light of day (woo go Eversion!). I didn't purchase the games in said sale but then I own a signed copy of Uplink (can't remember what you Americans called it) and had already purchased Defcon. -
It's Here (but the link has been removed for language).
Bob posits that maybe Sony's success up until now has been very much a "for want of a nail" scenario. It raises a very interesting question. What if Sega and Nintendo had been smarter back then?
(Note to mods: No specific games are discussed, only the business decisions and strategies of the console companies.) -
Quote:Hey, we should talk on Skype more later on. I'm out of the house ATM, but y'know, later this seems like a cool conversation in the making.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
I'm working on my own designs for a game. On the very distant, off, and improbable chance that it becomes marketable, I'm going to Steam with it first. Not a doubt in my mind that getting it on Steam would be my gold medal.
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I got Introversion's complete set on the cheap during the promotion the article mentions! I'm indirectly part of the news!