Madam_Enigma

Yea, the more AOE the less single target damage. And while AOE is great for dropping large groups all at once, it's typically lower damage per target then a ST attack. Back with the old difficulty slider, I made a spine/dark scrapper (then king of aoe damage for scrappers). And while I could drop large groups of minions, LT or bosses gave me a lot of trouble. Especially bosses.

Actually, for a traditional whip I'd think more sonic damage then lethal. The bulk of the damage from a whip comes not from the whip it's self, but the fact the tip is moving at the speed of sound. Getting hit by the tip (barely) is more painful then getting hit by the middle of a bull whip.
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Don't ask how I know this.

Aye, are you an alien from the planet Quantro? Does everyone on your planet have the ability to fly and generate fire? Then if you took fire/fire and plan on flying, your 'natural'. Are you an entity made entirely of rock? If there was no experiments, mutations, or magic involved in your coming into existence... Then being a stone/stone brute or tanker could be natural origin to you. Are you a psychic? Widows are all psychic to one degree or another. Yet they are Natural origin. Their psi powers are natural, they just train to use them.

I have a dark melee/regen scrapper. He's natural origin though. He got his powers cause the universe decided to finally answer the eternal question of "Who cares?" It was natural forces which granted him the powers. He wasn't born a mutant, nor was he mutated by an outside force. Science didn't give him his powers, nor does he use magic in any way. He just woke up one day Caring, and with the power to help those in need. He is... the One Who Cares.

I have an elven archery/devices blaster. RP wise, she uses pseudo-tech cause her innate magic is unreliable outside of the faerie realm. She's natural origin though. Her skill with a bow is from training, and all elves have innate magic. She just trained to call upon it and enlisted allies. I RP her targeting drone is actually a pixie friend who helps her spot hard to see foes, and her gun drone will be another pixie friend RP wise. It'll just appear as a machine to others cause pixies like to hide their existence.

Yeah, there's a limit to how many ways one can swing a whip. I can think of "Light attack", "Heavy attack", "trip", "Entangle" (although this runs into a problem of locking you out of doing anything too), maybe a stun (whip crack in the face)... But that's just the mechanic part. Appearance wise it would pretty much all look alike.

I know all that Whisper. My point was that when facing extreme defense/debuff situations, it's somewhat easier to get more ACC at times. If things are flooring to-hit, they likely are doing enough that you either need debuff resistance, or a lot of to-hit. Of which options may be limited to Insights or Aim/Buildup. But both of those aren't exactly reliable. One can run out fast, especially in missions with nothing but to-hit debuffers. The other is a really short duration per activation. But again, ideally you want both to-hit and accuracy.

I think the threads stopped before scrappers got fire armor.

It should also be considered that a scrapper's lower survivability still enables some down right psychotic things. You may or may not remember the old scrapper forum bragging threads.

Thanks... Now I want winged horse riding Cephalopod henchmen.

They stated the three whip attacks we got were hard to do. They learned *how* to do them, but was still hard. I'd imagine an entire set would be worse. Think I remember BAB saying something along the lines of "Oh god, no" in regards to a full whip set. Could be wrong though.

Slot accuracy. It does have a 2.0 accuracy to summon the pseudo pet. The acc you slot will help the damage hit.

I wouldn't. I don't know the limits of the engine. Don't know what can and can't be done. But I'm fairly sure they either can't, or wont make powers which affect the enemy AND take you out of the fight at the same time.

Then you'd be wanting 7 new whip powers, when the devs admitted that making the current 3 whip attacks took way more time and resources then they expected. I ask again, are you trying to give the devs a fit?


And for your tier 9, no player would ever use it. You stipulated a power which is a PLAYER hold. Why would anyone use an attack which means they can't do anything else, not even move?

As I recall, they said that the whip attacks were a huge pain in the rear to create. And they only had to do 3. Now your wanting 9 whip attacks? Are you trying to give them a fit?

Not sure if 'whip' would end up being a melee set either. The first 3 whip attacks quite clearly aren't melee. One's a definite blast, and the other two are still not melee range.

Ideally, you want a combination of to-hit and accuracy. Although if suffering from extreme debuffage, accuracy may be more useful then to-hit. It's rather hard to get enough to-hit to reliably hit through five force field generators, or 8 stacked nemesis vengeance. But heavy acc slotting will help you hit a tad more often.