Madadh

I'm hearing plenty of folks talking about 1-20 content being better with inherent Fitness powers. But just because a power is inherent, doesn't mean it's usable from lvl 1. Khelds have inherent powers that unlock later. Heck, even the Pocket D transporter doesn't unlock till lvl 3. So, it's perfectly plausible that the tier 1 & 2 Fitness powers unlock at lvl 6, Health at 14, and Stamina at 20, which wouldn't change the lvl 1-20 content much, except that we'd have more powers from our primary and secondary.

So, do we have official word on how exactly the inherent Fitness will work? When the powers become active? If there was official word, can ya please link it? If I find it before anyone else links, I'll edit this post to add it in.

Fortunately, I've not had anywhere near the amount of problems you all have detailed. Perhaps the problems been exaggerated, or perhaps I'm just lucky. But I totally agree that the fleeing mobs *is* a pain. It isn't fun. Realistic perhaps, but not fun.

All that being said, perhaps mobs should have 2 types of run away. A 'fall back' and a 'flee' type AI. The 'fall back' is just to break LOS and most likely shouldn't apply to GMs (and maybe AVs). The 'flee' is full-on running away. And if a mobs flees, it should count as defeated. XP awarded, drops happen, and the mish requirements fulfilled. This would be very in line with the comic genre, as many a hero wins the day by only getting the baddies to flee. I think it would also allow a fun new tactical option to the players in that they could try to get the baddies to flee, and that may be faster and more efficient in some cases that defeating the opponents. If the Devs then feel that this is too easy, just lower the flee likelihood numbers.

I'm not sure this is the case, but it may be. I hope it is. I hope it's a forced change of tactics.. Some things just rock Prime Earths world. But perhaps not here, new tactic needed.. Or maybe it's just way more difficult, as some are saying.

I know I cruised (fought with difficulty that I survived) with my first 3 builds, (Tank, Troller, Brute) but none was the stereotypical build. And I am far from the Uber Player some are..


For me, it was challenging, and fun.. Never was a 'too tough'.

Squee!! Only took 3 hours, but I'm finally caught up to the thread! Yay!!

I have several thoughts on this topic. And I've played several Kins/ and /Kins of all sorts.

1) Yes, it can be annoying to be hounded for a buff, especially if the buff in question is still active. And it does happen.
2) No, nothing wrong with politeness.
3) But, to expect a please and thank you for each and every application is very out of line and seems, passive-aggressive to the point of creepy to me.. I'd not want to team with you.

But, all that being said, I find it interesting that everyone, people who have never played a kin, people who've played a few, and people who've played a lot all seem to agree that there is only one correct way to play a kin, regardless of situation, team make-up, or the other power set in question. And yet they don't agree on what that one and only one way is. And people get grumpy is you fail to meet the expectation of their opinion of the right way.

Most other powersets, the player gets some leeway to evaluate situations as the arise in light of the team, their power choices and slotting, and to make the best choices, but kins don't usually get that leeway.

I mean, I can't recall ever hearing someone tell a blaster, "I can't believe you were too busy to use the single target attack on the mob attacking me because you were dropping an AOE elsewhere?!?"

They way I look at it is, I'll evaluate and choose the best course of action for the team, as best I can, in any situation, with any AT or powerset I play. I expect my team to be doing the same. And frankly, if I'm busy doing my job, I can't have been paying to close attention to what any single teammate was doing every moment of the way, so I'll trust you were doing your job.

However, I may notice if a tank avoids melee. Or if someone with SB never uses it (or refuses to use it without a please/thank you). Or is the blaster never attacks, etc. I may also notice in the Kin only SBs and nothing else. If the tank only uses taunt and the aura and never an attack. If the emp only uses heals and never a fort or an attack.

If everyone is busy doing their best to use all the tools at their disposal, and in response to the situation, to help the team, I'm good. A kin expecting to be begged for SB at every application tho, is like an emp spamming Heal Aura and doing nothing else while we're rolling and nobodys getting injured. IE, not really helping near as well as they could if they just tried.

Rant over.

Very nice guide.

Not sure if you're still about, but if you are, I do have one question... You took time to spell out and explain the pros and cons of a ton of different soft controls, even including knockback/up and intangible, but made no mention of fear. What gives? Or did I just miss it?

Would the tactic be the same vs. only one enemy? IE vs only a Hero? When you can't count on it hitting vs a bunch of easy targets? Just curious....