Madadh

I see your point. But I think that having something that no other set can achieve makes up for also having something that most other sets can achieve. Not many sets can get to softcapped to all positions. Even fewer can approach the incarnate softcap to all positions with only IOs and the Alpha. That alone to me makes SR quite worthwhile. What really sell it to me, though, is what no other set can do, get there with capped DDR. I love knowing that as I sit at 50% def to all positions if I take -100% def debuff, I'm still capped to all positions...

And if SR doesn't see much help from +def, neither to all the other sets that are easily doing what SR can do (except for the DDR part). Granted, some mechanic to make over the cap def act to directly offset +tohit from say, Venged Nemesis, or DE crystal emanators might be nice, and probably wouldn't make SR OP. And granted, a small +regen/end discount built in somewhere also probably wouldn't make SR OP but would helpit some during leveling. But, this is what I meant when I said it could use one. It could have one added witout making the set more powerful than a set should be. But I don't think it needs one. I don't feel the need to lobby for those things because I think SR is fine where it is. Yes, it can hit the softcap pretty easy and doesn't see huge payoff for going beyond it. So I don't go WAY beyond it. I start slotting for other things once I get there. Other sets have to spend more IOing attention on getting to softcap, and can't do that. Howver, an interesting Evade sort of mechanic, or even animations, mght make my day. But I'd not lobby for that because it really doesn't need it.


Here we agree 100%

I see your point here. I can't comment much, as I don't know enough about TW. Haven't bought it. I really dislike the look, and unless it gets a cool Zweihander or some other weapon that doesn't look like a parody, I probably won't get it. So, with no personal experience on it mechanically, I can't say much more than I get you general point here.


I tried above to clarify my position about SR and what I meant. It could take certain buffs and enhance it's low level performance without overpowering it at the higher ends. But I don't think it warrants it.


Amen! Why is the set called SS not able to throw cars and Gravity can!?! WTF? Yeah. I like SS mechanically, just not thematically.

Sadly, I think you are probably right about this. And yes, if it did happen, Titan Strength would be an awesome name.

Totally agree. What I like, though, is that though our opinions differ on some parts of this, you make good points. I see can totally see why you think the way you do. It does make sense. We just value some aspects differently enough, I think, that our endpoints end up different.

You make a valid point. Which brings up a question. If the newer sets performance baseline IS higher that it was, is it by enough to warrant the older sets getting a buff of some sort? Or have there been enough minor tweaks along the way that the older sets have already been buffed?

Edit: If this doesn't have a fairly simple answer, as I suspect it might not, and turns into a discussion all it's, to avoid a serious threadjack, I'll open a new thread, I promise...

Ah yes!! I knew it looked familiar, just couldn't figure out where from. Thanks!

I don't see how any of this is the case.... I'm not saying I disagree. I'm just saying that you didn't explain you point of view.

My suggestion was based on the fact that almost all (maybe even all) blaster secondaries already provide light mezzing abilities. Some also already provide buffs and or debuffs. Most people that state blasters need fixing cite a lack of survivability, and a lack of an easier way to obtain survivability than almost purely from IO sets, compared to other ATs. Further, none of the folks that state blasters need fixing seem to think that Doms, Corrs, and Defenders need fixing as much or more than blasters. So, therefore it would seem a given that controls, buffs, or debuffs provide the survivability that blasters lack. So adding in those would fix the issue. But adding in primarily buffs/debuffs would make blasters almost identical to Corrs. So that's not a perfect solution. The niche that isn't filled, that blasters already seem to closely resemble is an inversion of the Dom. The already seem to be close to that, but the mezzes that blasters currently have are too few and too weak to give them the desired levels of survivability. So upping it would seem an obvious solution.

I'm not sure if you didn't carefully consider my suggestion, but if not, the above should clarify it, and why I thought it sensible. Or maybe you have a good reason for your position, but choose not to share it. If so, I'd be interested an explanation.

Especially for how having a set that mirrors another is taking away an option. Does having tanks and scrappers/brutes/stalkers mirror each otehr take away an option? If so, how? And if we got rid of one or more of those how do you figure that makes tehre *more* options? Same for def/corr? How is having both a def and a corr less options than when we only had Defs? I really don't understand your position.

Edit: I really am not saying I know all the answers. But we're discussing options, etc, and statements like, "Nuh-uh!!" don't really add anything or forward the discussion. Truthfully, I don't care how or if blasters are fixed since I hardly ever play the AT. I'm not totally convinced that they need fixing. But if they do, the argument I find most telling is about survivability at it's core, so I tailored my suggestion accordingly. Maybe since I don't play the AT I just don't get or have overlooked some key point. If so, you'll have to explain it.

Holy smokes! And, yeah, pretty much what Hyper said... That's nuts...

Not mixed up at all. I thought it should work the way Doc Roswell verified that it does work. I was told by others that I was wrong. As my account was prepaid, it won't lapse for a significant amount of time, so I was unable to verify the information personally, one way or the other. Everyone that claimed, as I did (and Snowglobe did) were making the assumptions that it 'just made sense' and because 'that's how the other costume parts work'). The folks that claimed you'd lose access to VIP powers claimed if your account ever went to Premium, were likewise making assumptions. I just wanted to hear from someone that had actually tried it, since I can't.

Thank you Doc Roswell! I was pretty sure that was the case all along, but I'm not going to argue with folks over something testable, until I have tested it, or at least spoken to someone who has.

Sweet, even more testing and verification. Thanks so much!

Holy smoke!! That's freakish...

See, here is the thing. Many people have said that SS needs work, yet you disagree (I do too, FWIW). Yet you're also saying SR needs work, and I find it incredibly strong. I suspect that it might in part be due to the same problem you identify with Regen. Some sets are just middle of the road, or worse on SOs. Many of those 'underperforming' sets become insanely good with a good build and IOs. And I'm not even talking about Incarnate stuff here. If you buff them for SOs, then they will likely overperform with a skillful build and lots of IOs.

I don't have a solution. But I don't want SR messed with (if anything, give a +regen boost and/or a end discount to the mez clicky sorta like Energize, but with no front-loaded heal). I'm not sure 2 Gun needs work, either (other than, please, for the love of all that is good, can we get some non-gunfu animations). 2Guns' versatility to me makes up for some of it's lack at the very high end. And the same holds true for a lot of sets. I think Staff is fine (but I haven't played it all the way, so I'll not debate that one extensively. I'm not qualified to, yet). I think a lot of sets people call for improvements to are fine as is. I also suspect that some of the problems of 'underperforming' sets is people that insist on trying to play them in a way that's not optimal for the set. Or that some sets bloom later, and get judged by people that give up on the set before it blooms. I don't see any way that this can be fixed, and to try is going to cause new problems. Perhaps more than it solves.

Too true.

I hope you're right. But popular requests might just mean a very avid, and vocal subset. Not saying that it does, but popular requests doesn't necessarily mean that it'll be popular upon release. And even if it is, but especially if it isn't, if it doesn't come close to expectations, it won't be played much for long. I hope, though, that nothing like this happens. I'd like it to be a rousing success across the board.

And yes, given Synapse and Arbiter Hawks track record, I suspect that it will be balanced. Not gonna agree (or disagree) with the 'fun' part however. Too subjective.

And 'Yay!', if it flops, we can blame you. So.... Don't we pretty much blame you for everything anyway?

PS: Love that image Hyper.. What's it from?

I totally agree with this 100%. I loved the drastic example, btw. People don't seem to get that a power is a lot more than it's 'effect'. It's also it magnitude of effect. And it's it's speed (both in animation, and in recharge) and it's also its' cost. A great power can be made a lot less effective with a burdensome endurance cost. Until you can see the actual numbers you really can't judge. And even then, until you've played it you still don't have the full story. And even then, you can still have a skewed view if you played it with a sub or over optimal paired set.

So, yeah, the devs recent track record on balance has been pretty good. Yet some sets do well (popularity wise), and some don't. We'll have to wait and see.

It strike me that this is two totally different questions. Or at least could be. Do you mean visually/graphically? Or do you mean a mechanical rework?

Depending on which you mean, my list would be very different.

Edit: Although, some sets might very well make both lists.

Most of this is just a matter of perspective, so while your perspective is, 'novel', I won't say it's wrong. But, the last part is wrong. If the non pure alignments are supposed to have twice the areas available to them, and if all future zones continue to be co-op, then with each new co-op zone the reward for the in-between alignments is a smaller and smaller percentage, while the A-merits, whatever you value them at, stay the same.

And, all that said, my main point was that the co-op zones don't accomplish the feel of a hero or a feel of a villain when the two are interchangeable, and that applies just as much to rogues and vigilantes, too.

Agree 100%. If that was directed at me, my fear was that the general expectations had been set, and a while ago, too, for an OPed set, and thus the results would be either..
a) Expectations met. And thus by definition it would be OP. I thought this less likely.
b) Expectations not met. Thus for the majority of the people clamoring for this the, the actual result would be a disappointment, and the set being very niche, it would be mostly unused, and thus not as worth the time as some other sets that could have been developed. I think this is more likely the case than a.

This is all assuming my initial premises are correct, which I don't claim to know for certain. Other have said, in effect, that my premises are wrong, and I hope that it is the case. If nobody, or only a small minority of the people that want this set want it based on expectations of it being much stronger than all the other armour types available, then my concern is unfounded, and both (a) and (b) can both be untrue.

Make no mistake, because I have some concerns, I am not calling 'Doom!!' I'm not threatening to ragequit. I'm not telling people that don't have concerns that they are fools. I'm just answering the OPs original question.
'Some concerns' + 'not interested in the theme'= Not excited about the set in the slightest.
Except that's already slightly changed. I am excited for Rangle now. I hope it's a good set for his sake, now. If it's an unpopular set now because it's not OP (big if, I'll grant, but even if it is the case) but Rangle still likes it, I'd still be OK with it. Might not be good for the game as a whole, but if an in-game friend gets some good times outta it, I'd be a lot less disappointed. I'm selfish that way, and I admit it.

So, long story short (too late!)...

I didn't say it was OP. I don't recall seeing anyone doing anything of the sort. The one person I recall judging the set without seeing the details went the other way, calling it weak already, which reenforces my concern about the sets power expectations not being able to live up to expectations. But proves nothing. We won't know anything for sure for quite I while I suspect.

Well then, in that case, touche again, sir...

But, seriously, glad to hear. I agree 100% with that sentiment...

Touche, sir, you are correct. I felt the need to point out BSs KU and KD because I felt that your correct statement could be misunderstood as meaning, "Broadsword has no 'significant' KU/KD." If someone read it that way, it would be incorrect, since the 2 main powers in most BS ST attack chains have very reliable KU and KD.

So, I wanted to avoid confusion for other readers, not imply that you had given incorrect information. I apologize if you took it that way.

Thanks. I had sorta assumed it was similar to SR and was in with the clicky mez protection. When I noticed it didn't say that, well, I went looking... Thanks for clarifying, now to rework my build some.

On second thought, I don't like my answer as much as this one.

I kind of assumed that wasn't really an option since he was asking how to unlock an incarnate slot.. I guess he could have unlocked one and forgot how, since he's been away, but I assumed otherwise. Which goes to show, you shouldn't assume, because, as it turns out, my assumption was WAY off base......

Ah, now I see the confusion.. I assumed that since you asked (in error I find out now) how to unlock Incarnate, that it was unlikely that you had an Incanate character on hand with Astrals to spend.. If I had known you was talking about Hybrid... Well, I'd still not have mentioned that 'buy with astrals' method, because there isn't a way to unlock Hybrid.... OK. Now I'm sorta confused.... As long as the OP isn't any more, tho....

Magisterium iTrial is the only way, at present.

Ah!! So I see. I had assumed that since he asked (in error I dind out now) how to unlock Incarnate, that it was unlikely that had had an Incanate character. If I had known he was talking about Hybrid... Well, I'd still not have mentioned that 'buy with astrals' method, because there isn't a way to unlock Hybrid.... OK. Now I'm sorta confused.... As long as the OP isn't any more, tho....

As to the ATE sets.... I probably wouldn't respec just to add those in. But I am lazy, and dislike to respec. That aside, however, I doubt there will be many places where the ATE will gain ya a ton. Stalkers, for sure, but that's partly on account of the other stalker chances, too, not just the ATEs. I might be tempted to use an Enhancement Unslotter or two and try to just Squeeze in the Brutes ATE Proc, and maybe the Tankers ATE proc, but taht would depend on the tank. Last I heard, the Scrapps was meh. The defenders is nice you've got a top in solo def but no self heal.. So, very situational.... The rest I can't speak to in any detail, but it'd have to be pretty freaking amazing for me to muck up a build to shoehorn in an extra proc, and beyond amazing to totally respec. And I didn't see anything that amazing.