Lothic

Actually it's the limitations of the static MMO paradigm that -prevents- players from ever being able to play a "World Devouring, Life Ending, Catastrophe Causing" type villain in the first place. The fact that the system can't deliver the type of play experience some would want does not make their desire to play that kind of villain a "poor" choice in the least.

Trying to claim players are "playing wrong" because the game won't let them play the way they want is absolutely ridiculous.

Ha! Explaining that villains shouldn't get what they want out of this game because it saves the Devs a bunch of "unnecessary work" was especially hilarious, even for you. Promise us you'll never change GG.

Perhaps, and that is why I said that as long as MMOs continue to follow the same generally static paradigm I'm not really sure any of them will ever nail the "full" villain experience for everyone. At best we're always going to be stuck playing various degrees of rogue.

If I knew a game would allow for such a possible outcome for a villain I'd probably create a character that I'd be willing to see deleted in such a way. What's one character like that when I could just create others that would not be deletable like that?

One more time I simply wish I could play a game where I didn't have to "pretend" to be an insanely suicidal villain because the game itself prevented me from roleplaying a villain the way I might want to.

I don't really consider this to be a specific flaw of CoH - until someone can figure out a suitable way to create a MMO that did not have to remain static then the continuing idea of being able to play a "real" super-villain will always be basically impossible.

Not quite sure what this has to do with being able to make villainous moral choices while playing a villain in a game, but it sounds cool none the less.

I'm not arguing whether or not CoH is a static MMO based super-hero game. I'm simply highlighting the laughable notion that any player could actaully play a real villain in this game to its logical conclusion. I find that not being able to play a villain here as freely as I can play a hero somewhat sad in the greater scheme of things. *shrugs*

People who want to turn "everyone's lights" out usually don't care what other people want.

That it's perfeable that villains ultimately have NO choice in what they do? Sure I can "see" that side of the discussion, but that side simply tells my villains that they should just shut up and enjoy being undercover "heroes in disguise" every... single... time a moral turning point arises in the game.

Like I said before it'll be fun once somebody makes a game where I can -actually- be a super-villain sometime. *shrugs*

This might be one drastic way to handle it.

What I personally do is barely acknowledge the relevance of the canon to any of my characters. It's simply much easier to disassociate any parts of the "story" of the game that doesn't really match up with anything my characters would be involved with one way of the other.

I don't believe the game's background story is completely pointless. But by not trying to wedge my characters into it I can usually avoid situations where the story doesn't make much sense with what I have going on.

"...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred, The Dark Knight

Perhaps someday there'll be a game where we can play this way.

While most sane villains would likely "play ball" and be nice in situations like this I do agree with Nalrok_AthZim that it would be nice if we at least had a "choice" to be insanely suicidally evil once in a while.

Yeah this was pretty much my reaction to this. I think it's cool they are offering a contest to allow someone to have their PC "promoted" into the canon of the game. But I simply enjoy playing my characters too much for any of them to be "permanently retired" in such a way as this.

Good luck to anyone else who wants to try for it.

Seeing roughly 1.8 trillion INF on around 97 accounts is impressive.

But I seriously suspect that well over 95% of all accounts in this game will never break the 100 million mark for whatever reasons. Remember that before the Market and AE farms it was relatively rare for anyone to have more than a few hundred million much less multi-billions. Contrary to popular belief most people never step foot in the Markets or farm AE missions.

I would say anyone with more than a billion INF horded in this game is definitely a member of the proverbial "1%".

Not to mention the obvious improvement in movie special effects over the decades.

I sometimes wish Lucas had just decided to only clean up the aging special effects of the original trilogy without changing anything else about them. They did this with the remastered TOS Star Trek and it worked out really well. Instead what Lucas gave us was a handful of updated backgrounds and unnecessarily modified scenes.

In the last few years I've spent a few months in the low "B" range but I'm probably sitting in the high "C" range now after some newer builds and some INF -> Prestige conversions.

Well just remember it's always been taken as a given that perhaps only 5% of the playerbase ever read and/or post to these forums so keep that in mind if you want to draw any "reasonable" conclusions from this thread.

I've seen the first two Underworld movies and I can barely remember the Speedman character being anything much more than the "generic cut-n-paste" love interest who provided the excuse for there to be some fight sequences between Selene and the various other characters. I'm guessing if I ever get around to seeing this new one I'll barely realize he's not in it. *shrugs*

As CaptainFoamerang implied the only thing this franchise has ever been good for is a bit of vampire/werewolf/Matrix-esque action with Kate Beckinsale thrown in to supply some catsuit-based eye-candy for the guys in the audience. The "story" behind this thing has (and probably never will be) all that important. At least (as mentioned earlier) these vamps don't sparkle...

At best grizzly bears are carnivores with omnivorous tendencies.
But like I said before I'm not planning to test the "play dead" tactic with any-kind-ivore anytime soon regardless if it works or not.

Which just makes your use of the word "mediocre" a relative one at best.

Sure I'd agree there are parts of the previous RE movies which are very cringe-worthy. But I've seen better movies which didn't get as many (or any) sequels so at least on some level the word mediocre doesn't apply here. No one's going to argue that a McDonald's Big Mac is the very best hamburger in the world. But the fact that millions of people have been eating them for decades has to account for something. *shrugs*

Yeah and I -technically- meant as long as it's just the one Doc Buzzsaw unlockable contact that you can't access with your Praetorian. Didn't really care exacly how many arcs were related to him. Figured that would have been obvious from the context.

Anyway it would seem that the unlock specifically related to Doc Buzzsaw might be bugged for Praetorians - I had no problem picking up those arcs with my tourist Primal badgers. *shrugs*

The -only- reason they are making this one is that the others apparently managed to make enough money to justify it.

Yes, what have they ever done for us?

The answer to this question probably depends a lot on when you started playing. For many people this is a "heroes and villains" game, but since I started playing CoH 18 months before CoV launched I'll always consider this a "heroes game with some villain stuff tacked on afterwards".

Now don't take what I've said about this the wrong way - I have many level 50 villains and have played redside for many hundreds of hours over the years. It's just that to -me- the villains side of it will always be a "tacked on" part of the game. *shrugs*