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Even if you're right about this I find it interesting that at least 3 people on this thread believed they saw his hand exposed. This is why it's oftentimes hard to get multiple witnesses to agree on the same facts in criminal trials - it's fairly easy for a handful of people to see different things like this.

Some people really do have a "I've done it once already so why should I do it again" mentality. Since this game is character based and not "player" based I've never understood how those people have a leg to stand on as far as complaining about it but that never seems to stop them.

I hope that wasn't a surprise to you. We've known I19 was going to fix that exploit for quite a few weeks now.

Congrats. No one really claimed the Devs were going smack "everyone" who chose to exploit the game.
You risked it and won. Good for you...

Yeah it was clearly a "I am Legend" homage. I'm just making the point that he may be having a mental breakdown over the fact after everything else he might have just infected himself as well.

I doubt he was thinking "Fresh Meat" in the first few seconds of seeing them at his door. It was mostly a surprise to him as much as anything else. But now that he's let them in I could see where he might quickly, and insanely, consider the possibility.

Sure he's frustrated, tired and lost his best sample to work on. Would that be enough to, right at that point, decide to kill himself? Maybe. But I think all those things PLUS the idea that he now managed to potentially infect himself would be the tipping point. He did mention sparing others from his "embarrassment". He's drinking wine (so presumably has plenty of food) and he seems to be safe from the Walkers. Why kill yourself right then unless there was a REAL reason to hurry up and do it more or less ASAP?

It's possible he was reluctant to break containment protocols, but he would have likely muttered to himself, "No, I can't let you in!" instead of, "No, go away!" if that was the only thing motivating him. It really was as if he was trying rationalize whether there was any point to letting them in because they would be no safer inside than out.

Frankly I think we are dealing with some confused editing and some uncertainty on the show's part which way they want to take this CDC guy motivation-wise.

You may be right. But as for me I don't watch the Oscars anyway. I probably won't watch it with these two hosting it either, but at least they aren't going to make me watch it any LESS than I already do.

There, fixed that for you. Enjoy I19.

Well I'm going to rewatch it myself regardless. Not that I don't trust you - it's just that it's a crucial enough plot point that I want to fully understand his situation when he encounters the campers in the next episode.

Well I have it TiVo'd but I'm having to wait to get home from work to watch it.

I obviously don't dispute the pics warden_de_dios provided earlier. I just think we may be dealing with a fairly critical continuity error because I too distinctly remember him pulling BOTH gloves off and seeing his exposed hand. The fact that the very next thing we see is him rushing towards the door with both hands gloved would seem to be a case of bad editing at the very least.

Basically I figured the whole point behind him becoming suicidal and saying "No, go away!" to the campers on his monitor is -precisely- because he knew he might have infected himself. The whole thing comes off as fairly confused if we the audience can't be sure which way to interpret what happened in the lab.

There's always a bit of time between when they say they are up and when they really are.

Well as a Software Engineer in real life I'd agree Katie addressed the limited software aspects of this issue fairly well.

But since this issue has many other related metagaming ramifications (like for instance whether or not banks should be provided and how that would affect the market economy of this game) I don't really see any problem with discussing the other aspects of this. *shrugs*

/this

I really don't care about the Oscars either way (for all sorts of other reasons) but clearly this was a maneuver to try to appeal to a younger demo. No real mystery to it.

To be fair I don't really disagree with your point of view.
A human life is always going to be more important than a random mass of wires or metal.

But I'll still hold firm to the possibility that there may come a time when we can no longer make the simple assumption that non-organic automatically means non-sentient. As you pointed out you or I might not be around to worry about that, but I think it's a viable possibility for the future. The difference between a "machine that can think" and a "thinking machine" might become significant enough that our notions of morality will have to change to adapt to that new reality.

Probably. IIRC it's been "fixed" in the beta for many weeks now.

Well if it's not the full I19 release the only other reason they would bother to "publish" a new build today would be to hotfix the currently infamous AE exploit separately. That's good news regardless.

Don't worry - most of us just find it funny that you claim you would act all "Daryl" about this if you were in this situation when you clearly have no idea how you would react one way or the other.

I'm certainly no expert here, but on the other hand I'm not making any ridiclous boasts about what I would do to survive either. Thanks for adding some silly humor to this thread.

Like Chyll said I could have swarn a second or two after your first picture he took the second glove off and we see his exposed hand. I still have the episode on TiVo so I'll have to watch it again tonight to double-check for myself. The only two possible explanations is that either both Chyll and I are misremembering this or there was a very glaring continuity error between the pictures you provided. I'd almost prefer to be wrong about this because otherwise that'd be a very bad goof on the show's part.

As Chyll said calling Wildfire a virus is a pretty safe assumption given what we've seen. It's at least some kind of virus/bacteria type thing. Now of course we have no idea of its origin yet so it could have been a natural mutation, a man-made pathogen or even something cheesy like an alien Andromeda Strain.

Yeah so we now know the disease was seen in the 'wild' 194 days ago and 63 days since it went "global" which we can assume was the point when the situation got so out of hand that civilization finally fell apart.

In this age of instant Internet-based news it's likely that something that's turning people into zombies would've become world-wide news pretty early on. Combine that with the idea that Rick apparently knew absolutely nothing about Wildfire when he got shot I would conclude that he got shot at least 180-190 days ago, if not longer. This means he was in a coma for at least 5-6 months before the hospital got overrun and maybe 2 weeks on his own lying in the bed after all the other people there left/died.

Of course a second or two after your pic he pulled that glove off in a clearly contaminated area.
Not really sure yet how contagious this virus is, but that was certainly not the smartest thing he could have done all things considered.

Frankly both you and Luminara could be lying about your survivalist theories/credentials as far as I'm concerned. But based purely on what you've both written just in this thread alone I'm more inclined to give Luminara the benefit of the doubt before you. Until you figure out why I'll just hope for your sake a civilization-ending apocalypse (zombie or otherwise) never happens to you.

And it was even funnier when I mentioned this bit of irony right after that episode earlier in this thread.

I personally think you'd be lucky to get a character restored that's been deleted for more than a few weeks.
Getting one restored from many years ago? That'd be truly amazing and highly unlikely.

When people who run game servers like these do backups they usually only maintain incremental backups that go back several weeks at best. They occasionally do full backups as well, but only maintain a handful of those at regular intervals (like once a month or once a quarter).

The chances they could easily get to a character like yours is very small and there's certainly no guarantee it wouldn't be corrupted or "out of date" from the way you left it by many weeks. My guess is that they'll give you a nice "sorry we can't help you" response and hope you'll accept that.

Good luck regardless.

Frankly is sounds like the best way to get this kind of law changed is to highlight it in public venues (such as blogs or forums like this) to make an example out of Rhode Island and show how silly it is that they are the only state willing to deprive their citizens of the same level playing field opportunities enjoyed by the rest of the Union.

I realize this particular issue by itself has a snowball's chance in hell of being enough to sway public opinion. But if enough of these cases are brought to light then the state government might choose to "correct itself" just so that it doesn't have to be embarrassed being the "odd man out" all the time.

I figure the CDC guy probably knows he's potentially contaminated. That's likely why he was ready to shoot himself and why he kept saying "No, please go away!" to the monitors when Rick was beating on the door. Yeah he's upset that he lost the TS-19 sample, but that by itself wouldn't be enough to kill himself over. The only reason he opened the door at the last second is that he was overcome by a moment of guilt for potentially allowing them all to die.

I have no doubt that the CDC guy will die in the next episode, either by his contamination or by zombies directly. The method of his death will serve the story by making the whole situation that much more suck-tastic.

I can almost understand why non-state U.S. territories are excluded from things like this. But what makes Rhode Island so special as a state to be the only state excluded as well? I'm perfectly well aware that states are allowed to make their own laws so spare me the 3rd grade civics lesson - I'm asking this question more rhetorically than anything else.

The real irony is that Paragon City, were it a real place, is supposedly in Rhode Island. For it to be the only real state that can't participate in this contest is pretty funny all things considered.