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Marketing, generating interest in the game, product placement and all that to generate more players is really fairly moot when the infrastructure seems to be unable to cope with the current load of 400 or so regular players. If the subs increase only to find that they're constantly disconnecting, rubber banding all over the place, then you're going to lose those extra subs fairly quickly.

Sort the connection issues so that your current player base can play without so many problems, then come up with methods to entice more players.

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Yep 100% agree with that.

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I utterly disagree with pretty much the lot of you.

You seem to have this idea that if they spent a fortune on getting boxes on shelves and advertising that the game will suddenly get tens, or hundreds, of thousands of new players.

It would, of course, get some new players but the only relevant question is would it get enough new players to justify the huge cost of doing all that?

And in the EU, I'm personally inclined to think that it would not. Many of you, apparently, think it would, but those are just opinions based on our perceptions. NCSoft, on the other hand, have actual marketing data and research. They're far more likely to be right than you, or I, are.

You do have to spend money to make money - but you have to spend it intelligently. There's a point of diminishing returns, after which spending more money does not make you money. It loses it. I would prefer to see them not doing that personally.

And that doesn't mean the game is doomed by the way.

All just IMO of course.

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I think Robbies got it right, the point of diminishing returns has come for advertising this game.

There it is again.... diminishing returns... PvP zone....shop shelf.... i can see a pattern forming here...

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There are still lots of supplies of GvE floating about.

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And would you honestly stock a 2 year out of date game in your shop if you had one?

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Given that if I walk into my local game shop, probably the majority of game boxes on the shelves are two or more years old, I find that emark very amusing.

Obviously, I don't expect to pay ful price for those older games, and even WoW or BC sell for a huge amount less than the retail price at launch, but (AFAIK) MMOs don't make money on the box, they make money on the subscription fee. (So quite why any shops stock the games I don't know.)

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Regardless of how amusing you found that, heres the reality, WoW box's obviously still sell or they wouldnt be on the shelf.

This games box's dont sell or they would be on the shelf.

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Or the shops can't get them. Tried getting a copy online recently? Generally, you can't, no supply.

I'm going to ask that this thread be closed down. I'm sick of anything even remotely positive being turned into something negative by people like you who clearly want nothing more than to spend their time rubbishing a game they claim to enjoy.<removed>

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I do enjoy this game, i just think the company running it have gone from being mediocre to dire.

And where is the positive aspect for us in the EU,that they aint releasing it here?

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There are still lots of supplies of GvE floating about.

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And would you honestly stock a 2 year out of date game in your shop if you had one?

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Given that if I walk into my local game shop, probably the majority of game boxes on the shelves are two or more years old, I find that emark very amusing.

Obviously, I don't expect to pay ful price for those older games, and even WoW or BC sell for a huge amount less than the retail price at launch, but (AFAIK) MMOs don't make money on the box, they make money on the subscription fee. (So quite why any shops stock the games I don't know.)

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Regardless of how amusing you found that, heres the reality, WoW box's obviously still sell or they wouldnt be on the shelf.

This games box's dont sell or they would be on the shelf.

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You must spend money to make money.

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Speculating to accumulate is what they should have done years ago. Not now in my opinion.

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WoW still sells, this dont, thats the difference.


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Because NC has failed to aggressively market the game, that's why.

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Sadly i got to agree with you there.

This lot missed the advertising boat years ago, i think advertising it now a waste of money for the return they are going to get.

They should have grabbed the customers while they had a monopoly on the super hero game market.

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I agree that they missed the FIRST advertising boat years ago, but now, with competition not far away, NOW is a perfect opportunity to tell people about a superhero MMO that's ALREADY on the market. They don't HAVE to wait ages for something that's not out yet, they can be a hero NOW.

It's not often a game has a second window of opportunity, but CoH is getting one, and NC West aren't jumping on it... again...

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I dont see it that way, i see it as now its a waste of money advertising.

If i was going to start a new game now, i'd wait and start a new, new game, not a 5 year old one that gets nothing but bad press about the company running it.

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Indeed, CoH launched in the US before WoW. If they had marketed as agressively at the time, they could have had at least a portion of the expansion in the MMO market that occured then.

And in that economic climate it would have been much easier to borrow the money from the banks in order to do so.

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Cant believe iv agreed with you twice in a day Praff

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There are still lots of supplies of GvE floating about.

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And would you honestly stock a 2 year out of date game in your shop if you had one?

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As far as the retailers are concerened any edition of CoH is a 5 year out of date game.

Which is why it would be very difficult indeed to get them to stock the same game in a new box.

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Sadly i got to agree with you there.

This lot missed the advertising boat years ago, i think advertising it now a waste of money for the return they are going to get.

They should have grabbed the customers while they had a monopoly on the super hero game market.

Makes me laugh that they are still going with the secret, more to come soon stale carrot [censored].

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There are still lots of supplies of GvE floating about.

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And would you honestly stock a 2 year out of date game in your shop if you had one?

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If it was marketed by the publishers decently, yes. Warcraft still has plenty of shelf presence, even in it's original box... That's because Blizzard market it aggressively.

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WoW still sells, this dont, thats the difference.

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There are still lots of supplies of GvE floating about.

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And would you honestly stock a 2 year out of date game in your shop if you had one?

So what box at what time are you going to release here?

Bahh i dont even know why im arguing about this, i hope the fella gets his account back quick. Apologies all.

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If I pay cash into my account, when can I access it?

If you pay cash into any NatWest branch in the UK before 3.30pm on a working weekday, you'll normally be able to access it the same day.


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From the NatWest web site.

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As for paying money into your Son's acount, yes it appears imediately, but until the payment is confirmed though the clearing process, it could disapear just as imediately. Cash is treated exactly the same way as cheques in this respect.

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It shows up immediatly and is available immediatly if its cash, if its a cheque deposit it takes time to clear, they are not the same thing.

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And my credit card company also happens to be my bank, which happens to be Natwest.

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And its your credit card company that tell you its 5 days to be credited to your account, not the bank.

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You might think it would work like that, but it doesn't. It all has to go through the clearing process.

I have here a credit card bill, and I quote, from the section entitled "pay in cash at any bank or building society": "Please allow up to 5 working days for payment to be credited to your account".

Instant it certainly aint.

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That is your credit card company causing that delay, not the bank transfer system. Also this guy aint paid it at any bank or building society, he has paid it at NatWest, had he not done that im sure it would take longer, but same bank cash transfers dont take days. Or havent in my experience.

If they could be bothered it would take NC 5 minutes to verify that money was in their account.

Edit 2, iv just had a look at our business accounts and there are a couple of credits applied on the same day as deposit.

I have paid money into my sons bank account 100s of times, literally, and as long as its paid in cash, at my local branch of the bank he uses, it is available to him straight away at any ATM.

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I live in the UK, plaync provided me with a Natwest account to pay the monies into, I paid cash directly at my local Natwest branch, so your saying it takes over 6 days to receive a cash payment made directly into an account to show up on their system?

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Yep, my dad used to work for Natwest. They are sloooow in clearing that kind of transaction.

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Where is the sloooow in instant?

The second the cashier hits enter at his branch, the money is in NC's account if its cash.

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Once they have recieved the payment, the case also has to go through the griind of getting through the administration at "nc" then to the actual people that handle the accounts. Normally I'd say 3 days for the bank and another 3-5 days for the company to process your payment. If the company uses another company to handle their book keeping etc it'll take another 2-3 days and knowing what company we're talking about here I'd say you can probably count on up to 20 days.

Now... It could be worse, they could've deleted your account or just stolen your money, so be happy. It's a corporate world!

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If it was cash, and paid in to the same bank these people use, ie Natwest, the transaction is instant, there is no delay at the banks end, the funds would be available to NC there and then.

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I live in the UK, plaync provided me with a Natwest account to pay the monies into, I paid cash directly at my local Natwest branch, so your saying it takes over 6 days to receive a cash payment made directly into an account to show up on their system?

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I'm saying that there are factors beyond simple "I made the payment on X date", of which I listed a few (but not all). Since I don't have access to the details of your payment, I did not comment on it specifically.

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So having read the fact he paid cash, and into the same bank you bank with, what factors could lead to this delay then?

Apart from the obvious one, that someone else in another thread had, that was that no one could be arsed to actually check it had been paid.

Nice one Sing, keep the flag flying till we all return!!!

Yea good that

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Even if Charnell thinks he is op, he never mentioned it, only saying the others are op......nerf others but leave my set alone as usual.

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Your fixating again, remember thats bad for you....fixating = bad, must not fixate!

Its every single thread now, you seeing this over powered problem, and other people knowing / covering it up..... fixating again....

NOW, watch the torch as it slowly moves....when you wake up, you wont keep on fixating....3.... 2.... 1....NO MORE FIXATING!

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and you can say without a shadow of a doubt that all those bug reports reported were the same bug

I know for a fact I've had at least 2 problems that turned out not to be a problem with CoH but a problem my end

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No but i do know for a fact that the position of the servers is the biggest problem, something they knew from the get go, and still have done nothing about.

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Yes while the "its your ISP" response is a royal pain in the [censored] not reporting the problem is worse as it'll be assumed that there's no problem. the unfortunate thing is that its always the user that has to prove the problems not there end and its something else and it can take a lot of time to convince them other wise.

but doing nothing about it wont help solve it

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They have had 4 years and thousands of /bug's to solve it, before people got sick of the same jank and gave up.

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Out of curiosity how many of the people who have had rubberbanding, mapserver disconnects, power lag etc have bugged them it may seem pointless and yes its dam tedious going thru all the pre set questions but it will help identify problems.

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I gave up listening to being told (in the wrong language at times) that it was my drivers/anti virus/router a long time ago.