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Quote:Originally Posted by The Katalyst
Also, part of the reason Stalkers are less effective in arena is because what they are used for is ASing on spikes, and since AS is not amazingly powerful anymore, you're better off just running blasters or doms instead most of the time in an 8v8 situation. You need 2-3 Stalkers in order to have any real effective Stalker based spike in most cases.
If AS was buffed that would help solve that problem some.
Its not that AS isn't very powerful in 8v8's its the fact that 8v8's have unsupressed movement more so than b4 issue 13. Its harder now to get off an AS without a setup in arena than ever before. Secondly blasters don't have to wait to get into hide and wait for thier target to stand someplace for more than 1.5 seconds. Fact is Blasters can just outright out kill a stalker due to set up and hide time. -
Seems like the lulz were epic, I am sorry I couldn't make it and wish we had more time to develop the line up we wanted. I will try to come up with a better excuse next time.
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Quote:Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Your critical analysis of VORI vs. The Renegades, as well as Unholy's ability to be on target is laughable at best. I've target called with Unholy off of Ventrilo before due to connection issues and he was able to naturally assume what target I was going to go for and was there for each spike on a Stalker.
As far as those VORI vs. Renegades matches go, in the case of M3z, you're aware that M3z wasn't setting up Assassin Strikes at all during those matches, correct? Unholy worked almost exclusively with Volund, which is evident by the fact that in one match, Volund was the individual that closed the kills on your team.
M3z acted as pure disruption, in that he drew ridiculous amount of attention from teams while focusing on 1-2 targets when Domination was up. I'm also fairly certain that being perma-caged would not have afforded M3z the luxury of being able to capably set up AS spikes. However, the kills pulled on your team were off of ASes that Unholy snagged by predicting the movement of your team, with either Volund, Squish, or h0j following up.
If you think I don't know, I do. I played in those officials. I specifically remember your evasion tactic for Penny: fly pack to the top of the map because she was absolutely atrocious.
While I appreciate the underhanded tone that you and the rest of the Renegades have taken over the years regarding the officials against VORI, and VORI in general, and while I think it's cute that you will in one hand laud VORI as a capable villain SG while inserting yourselves into any discussion involving them whatsoever, reminding people that you guys did it best, please remember that VORI was a group of 14 year olds who screamed at eachother for 10 minutes straight on Ventrilo back when they unseated the FoL from the top spot.
In regards to your claim that 97% of villain kills in PvP were attained off of Assassin Strike, maybe for the Renegades that's the case, but having practiced and played with VORI in practices and officials for so long, I can assure you that the ridiculous amount of talented Masterminds and Corruptors garnered us more kills in matches than anything else.
Unholy being the best Stalker in the game doesn't account for the efforts of an entire team. There were plenty of critical players missing from our line-up for those officials, and we threw together who we had to in order to honor those matches. You're delusional if you're resting the successes or failures of a group on one player and one player alone.
I like how you downplay the wins by stating that they were 14 and were unruly on vent. Then at the same time talk about the ridiculous amounts of skill that they had.
Secondly the kills I refereed too were strictly in matches of Ren vs Vori. Vori didn't play the Poison/Thug MM+ Corr lineup in our officials. Renegades had gotten too comfortable beating it reliably in our practices against one another after about our 4-5 week of practice together or you guys got bans/got grounded by your parents for bad grades and couldn't play. Whatever makes you sleep better.
What I think upsets you is as talented as you and your friends all were, you still lost to a bunch of blue collar working part time players. Some of us being easy farm targets and easily flustered with loud obnoxious drunks that didn't always show up. We had core players get called away to serve over seas and issues of our own as does every roster so you will have to excuse me if I don't feel pity. We had some very skilled players, and we had some average players. We also played who we had available IE Penny.
Lately Vinnie you have run around the forums beating your chest and picking arguments over stupid things..... a banner font? REALLY?!?! Perhaps it is because you and I both know you have no competition for this league and currently in the game. Outside of yourselves every team has a variety of skill from kickballer/zoners to old rusty arena pvp players such as myself sprinkled in. Ware mocks the very purpose of the league while flashing kills of 40-0 and talking down to everyone, but you do that to garner interest in arena pvp and competition right? At this point I am done posting in this thread, I though Silit had closed our discussion nicely in his previous post stating,
" the whole dream-team debacle is a pointless one anyway, as most of the ones posted are either blatant sarcasm or people picking players based on their feelings for the players." -
Quote:Originally Posted by _Velociteh_
I honestly don't understand why debating over who was better 3+ years ago even matters. Yes, yes, I can buy that the "glory days" or whatever you want to call them of arena PvP happened before i13, and that arena PvP declined shortly after.
I still think it's pointless to get so worked up about something that is so irrelevant because it was so long ago and under such a different system.
Dream team is best of all time, time being past and present. So in this case what someone did 3 years ago is very relevant and is very much so on topic different system or not.
Silit,
How did you watches all of Max's movment as stalker? Stalkers and blasters play absolutely nothing alike. As I can recall arena cam's don't have + perc and to my knowledge you didnt stand over Max's or Unholys shoulder so you can at best give an educated opinon based on how they played other classes. As this video points out, its near impossible to see whats going on unless you were there.
Vori vs Renegades
If Unholy was EASILY the best stalker, then Vori should have never lost peiod. Kills were 97% atained from successful Assassin Strike + Scourge in all of our officials before Forts were released because villians didn't have unresistable damage outside Assassin Strike. If Unholy was easily the best stalker the rest of Vori's range dmg couldn't keep up with his targeting and had issues with locking/spiking enough to overcome our kill count. Since I was the target caller for Renegades and I was on my stalker, I know how fast Max was on target better than anyone as we often ran a 2 stalker line up.
What official was that and when did they beat Vori and Ujl to challenge us? Screenshots matter when they are officials and its the core reason they are outlined as officials as apose to practices or kickballs. Considering your an old school player I would expect you to be able to tell the difference.Quote:Also, that one SG from Guardian, Claw of the Dragon, took a fat dump on Renegades, so screenshots are irrelevant.
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Quote:Regarding Unholy easily being the best stalker he wouldn't have needed M3z on a Dom for a set up. -Maximum and Zero were the best well rounded arena stalkers in pre i13 period. Max and I required no set up for our matches outside of setting up easy double ASes when we ran a bubbler MM. If things didn't go down as they did I can bet GMW had a very good chance of taking over on the i13 villian ladder, but as it was, the pvp was forever altered and we will never know. Please don't think I am trying to take away from how good Vori or Unholy was, but as best he maybe crack's top 4.Originally Posted by vindizzLe
He is also in my opinion one of the most underrated players and easily the best Stalker.
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Is @raz. playin with you guys?
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Quote:I give Vinny props just going out there and taking his lumps in stride. I have watched quite a few of his broadcasted battles and even though he don't always win, he certainly has a unique style and he embraces it. That's more than I can say for alot of people who just like to piggyback on others.Originally Posted by Mercury_Down
Thanks for posting this. Any kind of public perfromance requires courage.
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Quote:I would be happy with a Psi dmg delay fix and CS nerf on KM scrappers. Sadly however I bet the best we will get is, " We will try to look into it when we have the resources but don't sweat it because we gave the CoT a new look and you can buy a flying surf board that you can't attack on."Originally Posted by LuxunS
I like asking PvP questions, just so that the dev's don't forget it's part of the game.
From facebook today:
Me: Now that Freedom has been released, i'm sure the next few weeks will be spent squashing the inevitable bugs that pop up. But, after that's complete, any plans to revisit PvP or base raids
CoH: @Me Some ideas for PvP have been brought up. =) -
Quote:Originally Posted by Empathetic Chaos
@M3zm3r1z3
@Chaos Distortion
@Empathetic Chaos
@Not Public Enemy
@Web Chambers
@Bringer of Hell
Will add more as I confirm the other globals.
Is this a roster for AoC? Some of the most epic pvp villian matches were up against Vori, it would be nice to see them return. -
Quote:Until every game uses an engine as smart as IBM's Watson, PvE AI will always get stale. It doesn't matter what type of game you play, the player should eventually figure out how to beat the system if they play enough or pay attention. Once a player reaches this point whats left? You can move on to a new game, master harder challenges in the current game, or do nothing and rinse and repeat what you have already accomplished. PvPers have chosen to master harder challenges by playing against each other instead of a broken record of a game that is just more of the same, rinse and repeat PvE.Originally Posted by Tokyo
I suppose a set of skills a monkey could learn are still skills...
I just don't understand why you and other PvPers pride yourselves on these skills... d;D
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What are your global handles/recognizable names?
@-Kurgain Active Issue 21: @Kurgain, @Kurgain-
What server do you primarily play on?
Freedom
What server do you prmarily PvP on?
Freedom
What toons do you have to offer for 8v8 PvP?
km/regen stalker, earth/ta troller, sonic/sonic def, earth/bubbler troller, em/ea stalker
Which of these toons is on Freedom?
All
If any, what toons would you be willing to transfer to Freedom for a league?
N/A
What do you consider your primary/optimal role in a team setting?
target calling/stalker
What do you consider your favorite role in a team setting?
Dps > Support but can play either
Would you be willing to make a new toon and level it to 50?
Lvling a toon to 50 fast is easy, getting it accolades and properly built on a reasonable budget is the challenge
Would you be willing to respec into a new build for a league?
sure
Briefly describe your experience in PvP. (If you were on other 8v8 teams list them here, any substantial experience here also)
Renegades
Bedlam
Whirligig
Velocity
Started pvping i4 - i13 and recently returned
I have ran in a few recent kickball matches as well
(OPTIONAL) (Only answer if you have a firm grasp of team rosters)
Name Captains you would prefer to play for, minimum of 3. If you pick less than 3, you will have to deal with who drafts you and nothing will be done about it.
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Quote:True but you assume alot thinking that a nub is going to know how to maximize a mids build on the cheap or not.Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Except you can easily cap your HP on the cheap side, with accolades of course.
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Quote:I have to agree with the comment of needing to spend 1.5-2 bill. I am a returning player and anyone who knows anything will go after the chump with low hp. While teams are great, 2 psi/ems will chomp a 1100 hp player in 2 before they even have a chance to hit phase or hibernoob. I also doubt anyone that knows how to easily farm up 15 bill is unskilled at pvp minus people who will pay farmers of course.Originally Posted by hemmingway3
Every time I read a statement like this I shake my head. This is because every time someone makes that kind of statement, they are wrong. You are wrong. An expensive build may make a character more powerful, but a skilled player (or team) on a cheap build will still beat an unskilled player (or team) on an expensive build.
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Quote:Hey Divine, anyone from Shakedown still play on freedom?Originally Posted by __Divine__
Hot is bad. Hey mage....how ya been?
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I am running into the issue where it will boot me on the loading screen every time I try to do a LaM. It does not do this to me on a Baf, but it will every time on a LaM. I have run the repair and it hasn't helped...any ideas.
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Quote:I do recall quite a few matches where one blaster would have double digit kills and people complaining about running up the score. Villians officials however were generally always low kill scores.Originally Posted by doyler_
Yea, matches were way more fun, original, and higher scoring when there were double sonics and the best emps in the game playing
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Quote:ASing.....Originally Posted by PowerFlame
immobing hotel in 3, 2, 1, go on em.
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Quote:10 min is a long wait for a power to recharge, add in the fact that most pvp builds are pretty tight and I am not sure I could justify taking it. I am sure there are some AT builds that have the wiggle room, but alot don't. If they lower the base recharge it will be a no brainer.Originally Posted by Arbegla
You can lower the recharge on it via enhancements and alpha boosts. It also may or may not be affected by global recharge.. So you could get it down to 10-ish minute recharge pretty easy, even after DR..
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I have just been informed the power is currently on a 30 min base recharge. So since that's the case idk if its entirely worth taking. Still interesting.
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Zomg...Thermals are gonna be beast with double heat exhaustion....
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Speed
Burnout By sacrificing a large amount of Endurance for a short time, the user can instantly recharge all of their Primary and Secondary powers.
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Speed power pool tier 5 power:
Burnout – By sacrificing a large amount of Endurance for a short time, the user can instantly recharge all of their Primary and Secondary powers.
I would assume this will instantly become a must have for every pvp build. What is everyones thoughts to having perma elude and such? -
You say you like pvp, with that in mind you will probably want to put your pvp toon on Freedom. Other servers do have some pvp, but Freedom was declared the unofficial pvp server years ago and certainly has the most active pvp zones and arena. I suggest finding a super group/guild that also enjoys pvping. Forums and websites are wonderful but talking to current players will help you move in the right direction and help avoid trolls/bogus info/ and certainly expired information. Find what you like to play, If you want to jump into pvp your going to be at quite a disadvantage. Read the builds sections and go with something viable. People will tell you play what you like but there is nothing worse than dumping game money and effort into something that looks great on paper but never transitions to what you thought it would. There are alot of great combos and alot of awful ones, play whatever in pve, but in pvp play something that has a chance. Last join channel Freedom pvp 2011. There are alot of pvpers a who chat in there and its a great place to ask questions and get involved. Welcome aboard and best of luck to you.
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Hey Wraiven,
I remember you from back in the day, you used to post videos and played on a spines stalker if i remember correctly.Anyway as posted above everything is animation times now.....Fire/Em and Psi/EM are the new fotm's for blasters, fire for dmg and psi because its dmg is delayed alowing for some massive spikes, you want hibernate and phase, and just an update on phase, if someone else is phased when you are they can attack you now. Not exactly what you were asking for but just wanted to say hi to a old fellow pvper from back in the day pre issue 14
Ps, I didnt put that build above me into mids but just glancing over thats gonna be expensive for someone who remembers Lotg going for 40 mill rather than 175 now. You can make a perfectly viable pvp build between 1-2 billion using non pvp Io's.