Leo_G

Wow, that's, like elementary school stuff. Everyone knows that, right?

Right? Everyone knows teeth are stronger than bones? It's, like, the hardest substance in the body.

Please use google and educate yourself

In my defense, I'm not suggesting you min/max. If I were telling you that, I'd have suggested you pick Ice Armor, perhaps Electric Armor + IO defense bonuses, then build for perma-hasten, etc.

Nah, what I'm suggesting is to know your build limitations and plan around them.

That said, I've been noticing a particular lack of quartz crystals. The guardians seem to be broken and don't bother summoning it...or maybe it's just in Vernon von Grun's arc, but lvling my Claws/EA to 50 on that arc and I don't believe he saw even one quartz...and I kept a mess of orange inspirations just in case.

I addressed that in a later paragraph, saying that fight is only a demo for what it'd look like, not the be-all-end-all of how such a creature would fight...because if Sif weren't limited by the animations given to him, he could have easily stomped whomever got within his legs. The point was, him wielding a weapon has an advantage of mass and power but the disadvantage of any large sized creature.


How many oversized wolves have you fought in video games? They'll always have a weakness, wielding a sword or not. One grave weakness of just a large wolf snapping at you is...they're snapping at you with their mouth...which is attached to their head...which has vulnerable points. Using a vulnerable point as a weapon leaves you open to be stabbed in the eye, through the mouth or having something shoved into the mouth, ultimately leaving the wolf unable to snap at all.

So your points aren't even that a sword makes a wolf weaker to the knight, just that a boss foe has weaknesses.


The video is to support the contention of what a wolf *looks* like should it wield a sword.


You can't be serious.

How big was that wolf? Like, 5x larger than a regular wolf? The point is, a person 5x larger than a regular human (so something like 30-35ft tall) would have the disadvantage of fighting a very small and slippery target. Worse yet is, if the sword is regular sized, one simply has to get past their sword to stab at their legs.

Have you fought giant people with weapons in video games before? Seriously?


This is...a bad and bias reply.

So a human using a sword gets the theoretical benefit of using their other appendages (mainly their other arm) but the animal...magically doesn't have any other limbs?



Because I can tell you haven't been clicking my links anyway. The 3 times I posted links, they were to 3 different videos of the same fight. You did post the 2nd link I put up which at least tells me you clicked that one.

Here's a different one.



I would more likely assume the larger side of the average sized wolf considering in CoH terms, everything tends to be scaled for larger sized avatars...so 6ft (around max for females) from nose to tail, 3.5ft from the shoulders and 150lb (they tend to reach 120lb on average).

I'd save size or weight advantages should be about even for a human. That is discounting an above average trained human or the CoH-ified character but you can scale the dog similarly.

But you haven't proven anything except you can pick particular arguments and discard what doesn't support your claims. I never commented on the effectiveness of a wolf *ONLY* using a sword and nothing else like agility, footwork, speed or their other damned limbs...likely since it's not like one expects a sword wielding human to do the same thing (discarding their agility, sight, footwork, momentum and their other damned arm).

I suppose we'll just have to agree to...let Cathulhu limited examples and disregard all else.

But still loving that 'shattered teeth' point you made earlier. Fraken hilarious and totally not even in the same ballpark as a shatter human wrist or fingers...those those totally absorb those cartoonish vibrations when you bang swords. *nods*

If you have a lot of SR characters and realize that SR has limited passive mitigation options, why do you not build with that in mind?

To be frank, different sets are different. I don't expect them all to 'just work'...not in every scenario. Similarly (but perhaps a bad example) is Willpower. It's a set-and-forget set that will just work...but if faced with incoming damage its tools cannot overcome, expect to be very dead.

There are powers you can capitalize on that will ease set weaknesses and some that don't. You're Dual Blades, start abusing that knockdown. Didn't your character ever imagine being faced with foes that will 'just hit' her? She had to have planned for that. Inspirations, controlling techniques, ranged techniques, healing tools, enfeebling abilities, power boosts...something.

Yes...


...she's lvl 2 and using the wrapped wood staff.

You were speaking that a 'anything harmless can be a threat supersized' or what not which is what I was commenting on. Supersize a wolf using a sword and you get the glaring weakness of being unable to properly defend himself from smaller foes because there is a radius of lethality one has to cross. Supersize a person with a sword and you get the same effect, get past the sword and the sword won't do anything to you.

A regular sized wolf would not have that issue as you won't be able to get past that arc of lethality because it's as close to their body as their teeth.

If, of course, the knight can block him. Of course, a single sword will be at a disadvantage vs a sword and shield, but a shield can't defend you completely. The animal's center of gravity is lower, therefore being able to create more force at a lower angle. And the animal can also use upward attacks to push their opponent back. There are disadvantages, yes, but there can be advantages too.

Firstly, the linked video isn't the end-all-be-all demo of how it'd work, just a demo showing that it *could* work. If that wolf were free to perform actions like he'd regularly react to vs what it were programmed to do, not only would it have a sword swinging to increase the range of its lethality, but it'd also have 2 forepaws and 2 hind paws. It could claw if it had claws as well as maneuver, roll and jump. A countered parry attack can only work if you can parry the weapon *away* from the target or *into* the target. If the example were a normal sized wolf simply blocking and riding the attack, either lowering their center of gravity to get a better foot hold, move with the attack to soften it or simply allow themselves to be overpowered and knocked in that direction could be viable ways to deal with a counter strike or parry.

But then this all hinges on the types of blows the foe throws. They'd all have to be low or mid which could easily be dodged.

Of course you can use footwork in either case. Just because their eyes are close to where they're holding their sword doesn't mean they can't see and dodge. It's pretty simple: where the wolf would be aiming to bite by centering the target area between its eyes, while using a sword it'd just shift that point to the right or left depending which side the sword is on. Better yet, to do any damage, it only has to pass the aimed point rather than lock onto the point. Despite what you may think, a dog can see in that particular arc.

Well, to 'shatter' a dog's teeth, it'd require considerable force that would probably just as soon sprain or shatter a human wrist...but then you'd have to have some odd mental image that what the dog does with his jaw is balance things on and only on their teeth. Their teeth simply lock things in place so that the sword doesn't slip away. It's the jaw that's actually absorbing the shock, not the teeth. To 'shatter' the teeth themselves would require direct force to the teeth. It's the same as a wrist, while it can take much of the trauma of impact, that's if you're doing it wrong. You don't punch with the wrist, you punch with the arm and you don't swing a sword with the wrist, you swing it with the arm and shoulder. Same with the dog-sword example, it's the jaw, neck and shoulders that are taking the stress.


And I challenge you to put a pencil in your mouth, hold it to one side in your teeth then switch sides by swinging it to the other side. You can do this without the end of the pencil 'magically' passing through your skull. I did it right now and I have cheeks. A dog doesn't. Just because the example animation may have seemed so doesn't mean it's somehow *the* point of contention so the whole concept falls apart.


The last statement makes little sense. A dog with a sword in their mouth doesn't somehow explain away beam rifles, imps made of fire or even the effectiveness of a human swordsman. It doesn't, in any way, 'override' the fantasy of anything because it doesn't directly or indirectly affect anything except your apparently fragile belief system.

It'd be different if I was saying link all magic to sword wielding wolves, but nothing of the sort is happening. What's common in a genre isn't important when the genre encapsulates a vast array of things you may not already agree with.

Mmmm, got anything else?

Well if you want to get technical:

-Sif had a major weakpoint: his size. You could easily maneuver yourself under him and he couldn't be able to cut you. That wouldn't be if he was regular sized, so while he wouldn't seem as menacing, it would have more of a defensive edge against regular sized foes especially if you consider how fast he was despite that size.

-The point about shattering teeth? Dogs teeth and jaws are stronger than people. Just because you'd think hitting a sword with another sword gets you that cartoonish vibration when you hold it would be amplified by holding the weapon in your teeth greatly discounts just how strong and sturdy a dog's head is. They grab onto moving things with their teeth that you'd think would be extremely jarring when it is nothing of the sort.

-Major point. Sword grips. Duh, make a sword grip for teeth, thick and absorbent enough to be gripped by teeth, cause less stress on them and not be slickened by slobber.

Again, you can make more points but then you'd have to contradict your own 'beliefs'...I mean "Whoa, him switching his grip in his teeth makes the hilt pass *UNBELIEVABLY* through his skull! No way!" *ignores pulling Titan Weapons or any weapon for that matter, out of nothing*.

So yeah, basically it boils down to your fantasy is better than mine so has no place. Forgive me if I say to shove that.

And Bad_Influence, u just mad nobody's replying to you. Don't worry, I haven't put you on ignore

Lol have you seen some of the animations in CoH? Have we gone over the physics of how those are working? Just the thought of hanging in the air from a Total Focus/Thunder Strike/Tremor just to come slowly down again doesn't convey as much realism, impact or adherence to physics as a dog with a sword in his mouth and at the same time doesn't look as interesting...and that's just the more mundane examples.

Game over indeed. You must be going easy on me...or running out of steam.

Well it's rather beside the point though. It's the animations I'm talking about, not the concept (I have no idea what the Great Grey Wolf Sif's story is...for all I know, he's the guardian of that powerful sword, a spirit of the sword itself given form and therefore, he *is* the sword). There could be many concepts where conversely the animal *isn't* at an advantage using their speed and/or bulk without a sufficient tool to project it through. Because biting a foe that can turn themselves on fire or cover themselves in electricity may be as harmful to them as their foe...or that their weapon empowers them or that the animal simply hasn't the instincts to bite/claw because they were taught otherwise...or...

Yeah, I could go on and on...

It's call the rule of cool. Whatever the conceptualist thinks is cool works. Same for huge swords that have no right to be wielded yet alone cut anything, or how mixing guns and swords together somehow functions better than each separately.

We get it, you don't think something is cool. I do. And therefore it will work for me and whomever else thinks it's cool.

But meh, I'm arguing with someone who only has one character concept. Not like anything outside that one dimension will ever be cool.

PS: Did you read the video poster's comments? You know..."Awesome boss" and all that?

These are players that comment on the aesthetic itself (practically all of them love it) while actually witnessing it. The quoted posters, on the other hand, simply drew their own conclusion and now clutch onto their bias in absolutes with no prior exposure. Absolutes are always wrong, however (well, with maths being an exception). I.e. if you hire the worlds most influential, talented and creative animator in the world, there is no doubt they could make practically anything look cool and believable if that goal is such and therefore your opinion would be discredited.

What are you talking about? I think you're just reading too far into things...

I'm just going to keep posting various links demonstrating this fight.

They're indisputable foundational facts that are of a color between red and green on the color wheel. What's your problem?

Yellow Indisputable Fundamental Fact #1: People have gotten this thread to 10+ pages in like 3 days, so the idea *MUST* be popular.

Y.I.F.F #2: AmazingMoo wants it, so of course it's worth it!

Y.I.F.F #3: Bad_Influence and Thirty-Seven don't want it, therefore we must have it!

Like there aren't furrys already here....You know Bad_Influence goes all Hyde and sprouts multi-color fox ears with piercings, rainbow colored fur on his body, buckle boots with legwarmers and a bikini with an conspicuous bulge...It's pretty scary, actually

You didn't know? We all have a forum superpower here and mine is, anything I touch turns to furry.

But I wouldn't actually mind that Diaper Man option. Would look a whole heck of a lot better than Baby Newyear (and I guess with the right look, a Super Gerbil character)

As far as Okami, that was one of the last good games I bought for my DS. Certainly another fine option for an animal attack mode expressed by the OP I'd be behind.

Because I'm sure none of those tots ever played with one of these



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woops, how'd that get in there?

Well I'd visit you...mostly to butter you up into giving me money.

Then she should know what is instinct as you have to train not to use it. But the moral is just because you think it seems obvious doesn't mean it is.

Yes, I actually managed to get a few Numina's uniques because I've been using my converters on junk that drops (mainly to semi-test if I want to bother with it). 'Junk' like lvl 41+ Doctored Wounds go directly to Numina's Convalescence, Red Fortune turn to Luck of the Gambler, Crushing Impact turn to Mako's Bite and the like.

In-set conversions cost more converters (type costs 2 and in-set costs 3) and generally I wouldn't bother with it. Only if you're aiming for a specific high cost enhancement like the PvP ones or purple sets, would I spend the merits/converters to switch it...but then cost is partially relative. To some, it's not worth bothering changing Crushing Impact to Makos...they'd just buy Makos and save converters for the fancy stuff.

But to me, in-set conversions aren't worth it unless the enhancement is that valuable and what we deal with is more the cheap stuff.

Another gamble is taking a rare, uncommon or common and changing it into any other rare, uncommon or common enhancement which only costs 1 converter. I wouldn't bother unless you're just selling stuff (taking a cheap rare and gambling for a more valuable rare).