Leo_G

Well, WP has nothing to complain about considering it get a mini-tier 9 + a rez earlier on. And that's not even mentioning the +dmg, +ToHit, +recovery and +rech bonus attached to that self rez.

In all honestly, it's probably one of the *better* self rezzes because you can just pop that god-mode afterwards.

As for Soul Transfer, it's not *that* bad. Yes it stuns....a mag *30* stun! What can resist that barring a GM? But I wouldn't be opposed to adding a self buff to it like a +def per foe for 60sec afterwards...or perhaps an unresistable debuff to dmg and ToHit on the foe?

In the OP's defense, it wouldn't necessarily disappear while the power recharges, it would disappear when you clicked another power. It'd only 'look' like it was appearing from nowhere and disappear in thin air if you choose the animations like that and used them in that order.

You wouldn't be able to tell us if it would look terrible or not, not with the kind of animation team we've got now. Look at ninja run, look at the upcoming dual pistol animations and tell me with perfect foresight how it would look.

Well you are right regarding Crane kick. In that situation, I'd suggest a kick but with nunchaku in one hand.

Yes, the nunchaku's appeal is how it flows but then Martial Arts currently flows quite nicely, animation time-wise. So if the animations are done right, I don't see why alternate nunchaku animations couldn't flow just as nicely.

My opinion is, I don't really care for the appeal of nunchaku use. It's the only weapon I probably don't want to see in the game. But others may want to see it as much as I want to see a Scythe set.

As a set, I'm against nunchaku and feel it probably have similar effects to what MA would have now. Rather than making a superfluously extended set like Katana and Broadsword, just make it 1 set with a theme choice you can change in the power customization menu. But rather than choosing it 'power by power', you'd have to have the entire set be 'nunchaku' if you wanted to use it. [EDIT] Currently this hasn't been done but I don't see it as impossible either and you'd be able to use punches and kicks and nunchaku all on one character, you'd just need to change costumes.[/EDIT]

I may not be behind nunchaku itself, I am behind doing what I said above to alot of other sets. Alot of people suggest new sets that probably don't have much standing on their own as a set (think the 'Street Fighting' set and here, Nunchaku) and for those ideas, they should be 'integrated' into existing sets as animations rather than whole new sets.

/facepalm

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....that was like, reflex. Seriously, I was sitting here resting my chin on my arm and scrolling down. When I read that, my chin slipped and my forehead went into my palm...I didn't even *mean* to, it just happened.

THEN SAY THAT!

Reread the quoted post of yours. You said Stalkers lose out on HP AND defense. When, in fact, they usually *gain* defense over Scrappers thanks to Hide.

If you're going to make precise posts about the numbers on Stalkers then *be* accurate.

And please PLEASE stop taking sentences out of context. I'll clarify it for you:

A Stalker's damage output is dependent on a the same factor as a Scrapper: It's set by set. Some deal better AoE dmg than others and some have more utility, etc. For example: You don't make a Dark Melee scrapper and complain about the AoE dmg you deal. And you don't make a Martial Art's Stalker and complain that it can't do AoE dmg.

Why? Because that's how the sets are *designed*. It's like complaining Blasters are too squishy.

I always laugh at this argument. As if 'time' is the ultimate factor. Perhaps it would be if the enemy didn't drop dead right there from it. That's what *burst damage* is! It's defeating a foe in a time frame that they don't get to attack back (or can only make minimal retaliation). That also plays a factor in the gap of survivability between Stalkers and other melees.

Although some of that is opinion and I'll respect that, but one thing to clear up:
-Electric Melee has a PBAoE, Spines has a PBAoE. That *has* to count against the argument that Stalker sets are left with "no PBAoEs".

As for Dark melee, it's more the choice of "Do you want to have good ST dmg but crap AoE?" or "Do you want to have GREAT ST dmg and NO AoE?". I can see the other side of the argument but don't knock Stalker DM till you try it. It's a BEAST! Far more powerful feeling in the hands of a stalker than I could manage it with a scrapper for reasons as follow:
-It's fast! Fast attacks = fast crits and stalkers are the masters of crits.
-Controlled Crit Midnight Grasp. Easily drops a LT.
-Build up. Soul Drain is great...if you have a good number of foes around but BU is better if you're bursting stuff NOW.
-It loses nothing (of great worth)! Dark Consumption is great and all but I can figure out a more efficient way to maintain my blue bar.

Fix't.

You lack knowledge. Come back after you've experienced BU+1kcuts/throw spines/thunder strike from hide. Your lack of wisdom annoys me.

Just to set the record straight about Stalkers: It's not really true what you're saying about defense. Stalkers don't *lose* defense from their secondary. More often than not, they *gain* defense such as in Super Reflexes (loses out on passive resistance but gain more base defense via hide) and Regeneration's case (who does lose great utility from Quick Recovery but gains some +def via hide). They have the same armor numbers as Scrappers or Brutes with the difference being they have a lower base and cap for HP (and brutes having higher res caps than either).

As for the damage, it's the same as Scrapper: set by set.

You don't pick up a Dark Melee scrapper and then complain it has weak AoE. That's just how the set was designed.

Same for Stalkers although less forgiving.

Some Stalker melee sets are just built to capitalize on ST while others are a mix. You want ST? Go EM, MA, DM. Want AoE? Spines, DB, Elec. etc.

And while some sets get the shaft, other sets actually shine *better* on a stalker. Take Elec Melee? Every other AT gets non-dmg Thunderclap. But stalkers replace that with a strong ST attack (something that set is lacking in) *plus* it can unleash the AoE attacks of the set in huge bursts thanks to Hide, Placate coupled with BU.

Dark Melee is similar. A set that has weak AoE? Yeah, just remove Dark Consumption (nice utility, yes) and replace it with an *actual attack*? It only strengthens that set.

Or Dual Blades, a set that loses an *actual* AoE attack, is compensated for losing that PBAoE by having longer range in 1kcuts and capable of dishing out *better burst* than your average DB thanks to AS and having BU rather than BF. There's other little quirks within that set that make it awesome but I won't go into it...

RAAAAWWR!

No, it's not so much I have little regard for the team. Of course not. If the corruptor is getting swarmed, don't think I won't run in to fight or if that MM is in the midst of an ambush, I'll certainly finish what I'm dealing with and move where the targets are.

What I'm not doing is taking my playstyle, no matter how oppressive and impressive it is, and then label it as something it's not. As a melee, the sum of your narrow contributions is damage. Outside of a true Tanker, asking anything more is just a plea to appease yourself. Cries for attention and unimpeded glory for yourself is all it is. In that case, you might as well split up from the team's path or just solo. Because if you were actually thinking of the *team* and not just *you*, you'd take into consideration the advantage *all* the effects capable by your team and not just how they mesh with *yours*.

Take into consideration the time it takes to bundle those targets too. Using an AoE as often as possible is counter to efficiency. Waiting for targets to play ring around the rosie before using your attacks eats into your precious DPS too (and I would have to wait, seeing as I'd have taken out half of the spawn as they stepped up).

I consider handling alpha strikes fun. It's like everyone is in a rush to get their hand into the fray first. Who'll get to do it this time, I wonder?

Why should only the Brute get to do it? I love getting the chance to pop the alpha on my stalkers with an AS. It's a good way to nullify half the enemy's first strike and with their soften volley, let my protections handle what gets through. There's nothing more fun than popping domination and a whole spawn (or two even) suddenly can't do crap. BU+ Shield Charge on a Scrapper?

And if you think the Brutes need to take it for fury, that's the reason I mentioned my Claws/EA brute (he rarely takes alphas at all).

Who said I don't? I use Spin but I use it in the instances it's most effective. I *could* take advantage of Shockwave's KB to cluster foes and then use Spin...OR I can just slash whatever is close with everything else. Besides, throwing spin over and over gets old so mixing it up with ST and Shockwave fixes that.


You don't even need to be the sturdiest brute to take advantage of Fury + Spin! Just attack and you get Fury then jump into a spawn and Followup > Spin! There's nothing special about it! If a stalker can jump into a spawn like that without issue why does a Brute suddenly need a special build to do it!?

My brute can handle 10 targets now, so long as they aren't over 2 lvls above him.

and BRUTES AREN'T TANKS! If you want yours to be a tank that's you but mine wishes to strike unimpeded by the needs of the team. He's not worried how close that next spawn is or if the MM got attacked by an ambush. He'll handle what comes *his* way and mop up the rest later.

And the reason for not taking advantage of the full 10 target spin? Simple:

Because there aren't always 10 foes huddled while twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to kill them! Because when there aren't 10 foes huddled while twiddling their thumbs, I don't want to be the whining ***** that's threatening to kick people for not lining up my bags of xp like I want it! And no, KB doesn't need to be present in order to have scattered mobs.

I've got one of those. My Claws/EA brute. So far, at lvl 31, he solos +1x4 spawns and how he does it without needing a tidal wave of inspirations is that he can effectively attack single lone targets on the fringes of the spawns without alerting everything in the room. He can kill off 1-3 guys before anyone usually notices.

On a team, he isn't a Tanker (really, few Brutes are) and he'd readily let the Stalker take the alpha than him and yet, he is swimming in Fury. He's just really really effective at ripping apart a target but he also has Spin and Shockwave to unleash AoE dmg if the foes happen to be packed together.

In short, he has no weaknesses or specific circumstances that he excels in and is crap in others. If there is a body, he'll rip it apart. If there are bodies, he'll rip them apart.

My point is, while building for maximum AoE and what not is dandy and all, it sort of reveals a weakness in that you need foes clustered in a certain way for maximum effect. Not a horrible thing, really, you just need to put them in that position first. But if you can't then of course you're going to view everything else a detriment. But then that's how you built the character so not anyone/anything else's fault.

See? Now if we didn't have people retorting with how lazy you are, we'd all sound like no one cared about KB. It's not a jab at you, just balancing out the reputation of KB

And how often do you face those compared to the masses of minions, Lts and the splash of bosses thrown in?