Leo_G

Here's the thing: You just don't *GET* it. You don't *UNDERSTAND* the set. You look at it from a "It cost more endurance than everyone else! Waaaah!" point of view. But you fail to understand an important point.

Endurance is everywhere. It's in IOs/IO bonuses, it's in passive temp powers, it's in accolades, it's in pools, it's in team buff powers and it's in inspirations.

Using SOs, DA costs less than the other sets when running equivalent protection. It doesn't have an endurance replenish power but it has the most powerful heal of all armor sets. And non of the other sets have the level of control that DA has. The object of the set is you can pay more endurance for more survivability. Those other sets? They can't pay more endurance to mitigate foes or bolster their heal to max because they don't *have* anything more to run. They hit a hard ceiling that limits their sets. DA has a ceiling too but it's softer because their ceiling is based on an easily renewable resource.

There aren't any 'mez all minion' inspirations, temps or accolades. There aren't reliable 'stack mez to lock down boss' IOs or bonuses that are as effective as DA's. And the only 'mez lots of stuff' pool powers are an AoE sleep and a PBAoE fear (which stacks better with DA anyway).

Yeah, but need more fire sword animations to round out the concept.

Also, for ice, if it's a cryo-beam saber, there's no need for energy. If a cryo-beam can freeze enemies, a cryo-beam saber will freeze them and cut them too

slight edit and QFT

PS: I didn't know there was a min-character limit on posts. Guess that'd get rid of the /jranger deal...

I wouldn't say all that. I took both of them on my Spines/DA stalker and it's great utility all around. He can either go around fearing everything with AS>demoralize on top of CoF and Presence Pool. And using IOs, the durations of his fear powers are longer than normal. This is usually for solo or small teams.

On large teams, everything drops too fast so he toggles on OG every now and then and scraps. He inevitably dies but with soul transfer, it's not a big deal if he can't get off DR fast enough. Oh, and he doesn't have fitness pool either.

It wasn't a contradiction. You said you didn't slot enough accuracy because you slotted endurance redux instead. That is an example of 'slotting wrong'.

It gets kind of annoying when people expect something to work a certain way, they find out it doesn't work that way, people tell that person why it doesn't work and possible ways to work around that issue and yet that person will still go on and complain because it's not the way they want it.

I don't think anyone said you could only pick 4 of the powers from the set. No one even said only run 4 powers of the set. But if you *do* run more powers in the set (+pools), expect a cost. If you want to work around that cost or build the character to plow right over the cost is up to you. It's like the old Focused Accuracy toggle or the old Instant Healing Toggle. I doubt they were ever meant to be ran all the time because of the cost but it was still possible. The difference between those and DA is, it doesn't require a stupid-expensive min/max build to do it and it isn't unbalanced. It just takes thought on your part, really.

I thought of something like that when I suggested a 'Goo Armor' set (concept being you either have some gelatinous layer covering your skin or you *are* primarily made of a gooey substance). Basically, it was a short ranged (10-15ft) toggle applied on the enemy that slows the target, applies short duration stacking Hold mags and deals damage to them. While you're running the toggle, you gain a substantial regen buff and maybe some resistance. It was called 'Absorb' or something....I thought it was a cool and unique take on a personal protection toggle. Don't know why no one else cared for it.

I'd say post that puppy cause I suck at doing binds. I'll just copy/paste when you do

I was agreeing with you. And it's something I consider on all my characters.

It's the trade-off for never needing greens, I suppose. Yeah, your SD character may never need a blue but when he starts taking damage, you better pop the greens. DA just needs blues, never greens.

Really, that's only needed for endurance *management*. If you find the pace you go can support the toggles, you can keep them running. If you're running low, you might need to retreat. If your HP is dandy but your endurance is not, sacrifice some of the protection you have.

What are you disagreeing with? Slotting for performance first? When it comes to mitigation toggles, I'd rather have a toggle that buffs my resistance or defense to its maximum ability rather than a dinky one that is cheap. Because endurance is everywhere, manageable and quick to return but HP is not.

When it comes to attacks (not damage toggles), especially for a Tank/Scrapper, slotting for endurance over damage is not smart. Especially for DA. You'll need to throw more attacks to defeat the foe and more attacks means more time. More time gives the enemy more chances to hit you and that overall means you'll have to hit Dark Regen more often.

It's obvious you weren't slotting your attacks right otherwise you wouldn't really be having extraneous endurance problems.

Actually, you can edit that video to be anything about *anything*. I've even see the version that was about the death of Micheal Jackson.

But yeah, it's still funny.

That is, if you think Immobilizes are that debilitating. Sure, it's a nuisance when all of a sudden you can't move. When that happens just drop a burn and be on your way.

Actually, that's a rule of thumb for *any* character you run with. OP, if you screwed up DA the way you did, every other set minus Regen, will drain your endurance just as badly. You made the assumption that Spines/DA was 'Endurance Hungry' so you went crazy on endurance reduction before you can defeat anything. You slot for performance (accuracy and some damage) *before* you slot for efficiency (that comes later when you have more slots to spare).

Can we not set it up so you don't have to face EBs/AVs anymore? And even if we still end up with EBs, you can set them to -1. How tough can a -1 EB be?

There's your problem right there, IMO. Accuracy is *more* important than endurance reduction with regards to attacks. There is, of course, a point where worrying about accuracy isn't necessary but if you're not hitting the foe at *least* 80%, then you're throwing away *too* much endurance.

At least 1 SO worth of accuracy and if you're still missing a lot, lower the lvl of the enemies. That should fix your problems. You can get by spending a little extra END on your attacks if the enemy is defeated with fewer misses.