Leo_G

I'd rather a Ninja Assault set using a Katana and throwing knives and that idea has been on the board longer than your 'Swashbuckling Assault' suggestion

Now that's a novel idea for a 'Stalker Specialized' powerset. Not specifically Scythe (although I had suggested making a Scythe melee set specifically geared for Stalkers with a watered down version given to the other ATs).

Anyway, a powerset that has a lower chance to crit but crits for more damage? Perfect secondary effect for a Stalker set.

For a Scrapper, since you'd rarely see the secondary effect outside of random chances, such a set would really shine for Stalkers (and there aren't enough sets that do that. every melee set Stalkers have is just a fudged-together set from other ATs, never the other way around). Lower the crit chance by 50% of the base value and improve the dmg of the critical portion (perhaps of a less resisted dmg type as well). For Stalkers, out of Hide or with Placate, AoEs would only crit 25% rather than 50% but ST attacks would still crit 100% so they'd really see more benefit than Scrappers.

But you'd probably need more of a secondary effect than that for the non-criting ATs so perhaps lower the base ToHit chance as well but increase the base dmg (sort of like how claws reduces the endurance cost and rech time without altering base dmg). Ah, and to top it off, have an attack or two that, if you defeat a foe with that specific attack, gives you a buff of some kind like a 'death blow' bonus.

It's all in my Death Scythe powerset write-up but that crit thing would just be icing on the coolness-cake.

Meh, he provided enough information to give an idea about the set. Numbers are really only needed with a slew of new powers. There is not much need for numbers here unless your explicitly trying to discuss balance. As the set was presented, are we somehow sure this set would be overpowered? Underpowered? The way I see it, it's balanced except swap ammo really doesn't help much. Other sets get stuff like Drain Psych, Power Boost and Build up which help with *all* their powers. Changing ammo type may not be in the same league however, looking at the secondary effects of the other assault sets, I could be wrong.

Lastly, if you want melee attacks, just throw some kicks in there from Martial Arts. Simply animate then with pistols in hand.

I know! They seriously should spend more time on origin specific powerset types that don't portray a 'natural' origin and completely neglect those other 'natural' sets while they're at it! Especially since those zappy super powered sets can't customize their powers to look like anything from blood-magic to corrosive gas but those 'natural' sets can make it look like you're firing anything from psi arrows to magic missiles!

Yeah! The zappy sets need the extra animations, not the 'naturals'! I'm tired of them being neglected!

*mad face with lots of !s*

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Yeah, it's a shame you can't, you know, color those fire balls and lightning bolts and energy shields whatever color you want. Not like those dual blade and axe wielders who get the opportunity to customize their effects, nosireebob...

You know, normally I'd smack you for tossing out the same anti-furry sentiment but instead I'll thank you because that page had another link.

Thank you!

PS: U JUSTA' HATER! HA I GOT MY TAILS! THANK YOU DEVS!!!

Who's been spanking you that isn't me, Sam?

*Casts Deflection Shield on Fleeting*

I want my animal parts, stupid booster title or no!

And your point? >_>

Really, that contradicts that argument right off the bat. Buff seconaries for Controllers have practically no use for Illusion control besides buffing your Phantasm (basically, not getting any more mileage than any other control set). Does this invalidate creating an Illusion/FF or Illusion/Empathy?

If not, why should it invalidate Illusion Dominators? What a certain combo can solo should not limit proliferation. If a set isn't balanced, however, then balance it.

As far as Illusion not 'dominating', if that is an issue, sets can be slightly altered. Like I said before, removing one of the invis powers (or the attack power) for another control power may be a possibility.

But take Ice control for example: How many powers will you be 'dominating' there? There's the immobilize, AoE immobilize, Hold, AoE hold and then the sleep. I can tell you right now, you're probably only going to be *really* dominating with 3 of those...you can say 4 but then it will trivialize your bread-n-butter AoE control power.

I'm not being hostile (I'm actually pretty good now, not hopped up on caffeine right now) but I don't particularly see the point in pointing out why it's unlikely to be proliferated. I already know the reasons why it wouldn't (primarily the redundancy of the invis powers and the lack of direct control that interacts with domination). That doesn't mean it shouldn't. Plain and simple, the set *should*. Not only for concept but for playstyle preference (it's completely different from any control set and that is a *GOOD THING*).

And I wouldn't say this isn't a 'widespread enough concern' or 'trivial'. In fact, there have been many threads, often times in the Dom boards, about just this. Before power customization, all doms were up in arms to get a 'Dark Illusion' set modeled after Malaise's purple illusions and some alteration to the powers. This isn't something that has never been discussed, FYI.

Actually, Stalkers still do crit slept and held players. It's PvP only though.

And I don't think Assassination would be very useful for Defenders as the crits are linked to 'Hidden' status which is only grantable by Hide unfortunately >_>

However, I think the scaling crit rate with nearby teammates would still 'work' if their powers were coded correctly.

Ah, I guess that'd be the reason

I was kind of discouraged when I learned that the first time but it probably would be ridiculous if you could stack that irresistable -ToHit.

That isn't what I'm complaining about. I said I'll never play controllers (deleted all of mine) but I still have masterminds leveled. I use the stance you stated previously, and guess what? It's boring. If I didn't actually have concepts for masterminds, I'd probably delete them too but at least they make conceptual sense to me.

But dominators *are* fun. If I had a choice of playing boring MM with defensive stance and buffs or free-form dom with domination and attacks, I'd choose doms.

Curious: I'm of the opinion that Illusion should be available to Doms for conceptual purposes. You, for some reason, do not. What is stopping you from just *not* using the set on a dominator if it were available? I've told you why I think the set should be, but I see no point in opposing it other than 'Well Leo wants it so no'.

Exactly. And Illusion is a control set so it should go to control ATs. Period. And if something is 'wrong' with the set, do the logical thing: FIX THE SET!

The concept of the character's powers is that, while normal creatures have spirits contained within their bodies, my character has a 'giant spirit' so big, it covers a football field radius area. He can manifest that 'energy' into 'hard light' to attack or deceive foes. Currently, he's Mind/Energy but it does not work. This has nothing to do with 'looking cool'. It's about 'fulfilling the concept'.

No, I do not want a controller. I should not have to wait 40+ lvls to fulfill the concept of the character (which requires direct attacks). I will not powerlvl to get the concept working, that's not how the game should work.


Since the stealth doesn't suppress, it offers the utility needed to keep out of sight. That's all the power was meant for anyway. Granted, I can imagine the devs changing one of the invis powers to something else which would be great if it was more control, but I don't think it's particularly needed.

Hey, you were the one to say Illusion is to control sets as a tricycle is to a fire truck. Apparently, you don't care about Illusion control. If that is your opinion, well you can have that but when you start spouting that no illusion for doms, that's like saying no proliferation. Screw that. I once had the opinion of keeping sets exclusive for AT uniqueness and I got flamed. Now that Doms lost the only unique set they had, playing that card is hypocritical.

I said 'go away' as a hypothetical question. I wasn't saying get out, but more 'well, you don't care, do you?' Do you like Illusion Control? No? It's a worthless control set that is useless on a team? Then why are you arguing? Do you just want to keep mine and other's concepts from them? MM? I hate MMs. I don't like micromanaging pets like that. So what's your argument to keep me from my Illusion Dom? Can't build domination? No bonus from domination? Invis powers?

Granted it's early in the morning and the only thing keeping my body functioning is caffeine so I may be a bit twitchy and irritable, but even if I was in a good mood, the fact you 'wistfully' pass over the points I used to refute your misconceptions is what may have sparked my 'tude' in the first place.

If you don't want to 'respond to my points', then I'll just count that as a small victory toward Illusion for Doms. Concept ftw.

And Capn, I have a feeling MMs won't feel encroached upon. Just call it a hunch...

The effect 'Demoralize' does not stack, like the Mystic Fortune card buffs. Even if different members of your team cast it on you, it can only grant 1 temp power.

What does it matter that you have to 'build up to it'!? Is it not good enough of an 'I win' button with just the bonuses it provides!? Seriously, it fills your endurance 100%, it gives you lvl-scaling mez protection and doubles the mag of all your mezzes (including the ones in your secondary).

The fact you keep pointing out that domination would build noticably more slowly seems to belie your experience. I don't claim to be that experienced with doms (I have 2 in the 40s and about 4-5 in the 25-35 range that I haven't played in forever) but even I know domination is *primarily* built by the secondary sets. Why? For several reasons:

-You have more attacks than you do controls.
--Most doms will only have a ST hold, a ST immobilize (often not taken), an AoE immobilize (suicide to spam) and an AoE soft control (dumb to spam, better to use tactically and doesn't recharge fast enough to even make a noticable difference to domination building)
-Because you're using attacks more than controls.
--A dom will more often than not defeat normal foes before needing to reapply controls. Only in prolonged fights or vs tough foes will they need to keep reapplying holds. If you're not attacking during that time, you're not building domination.

Besides that, Illusion doesn't *NEED* humongous amounts of control. It's a solo-oriented control set, really. It has invincible pets that keep enemies mezzed or distracted while you spank them with attacks. The hold and confuse being affected by the double mag mez is all that's required.


The thing you're not understanding is how Illusion works. On a controller, it's probably the better set vs tough EBs and AVs because your pets are invincible. They'll do dmg and keep the target busy while you either stack mez or throw your own attacks. What's the most difficult foe for a dominator? EBs and AVs because stacking mez on them is either useless or impossible solo.

But that's not even the reason I want illusion for dominators. I want it because of the concept. Controllers, to me, make little conceptual sense in the type of power combos they use. Dominators, on the other hand, make way more sense and are far easier to solo with. I have 0 controllers left on my account but I'll play a new set for doms at the drop of a hat and I've had a concept for an Illusion/Energy Assault character ever since they decreased the rech on Domination the 1st time.

If you don't understand the set, I'll explain it to you. If you don't care, then go away?

Actually, I learned that the ToHit debuff doesn't stack for multiple stalkers. According to CoD, that part of demoralize is set to not stack but the fear chances will.

Why get irritated for no reason? If you don't like Mids' then don't use it. But even as a Theme character creator myself, I use Mids' because it helps me aware of what power choices, or slots I can take advantage of.

I may not have grown up playing PnP RPGs, but I did grow up with anime, manga and me drawing my own comics and stuff. I created a lot of characters too and often recreate those characters in this game. When I wanted to make a character that used tech suits too, having Mids' there to remind me where the slots were going, who could take super jump and who teleported, how many powers they'd have to work in epic power pools or what might be able to be cut to make room for a concept power, Mids' helps iron out that.

If someone else wants to use the same tool for a different purpose, that's not my problem.