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Wouldn't that make it a parasite instead not a symbiote? heh.

You might say they were pretty good at Making up some ..stuff.

I remember reading about Crusader when I was looking up people who wielded Thor's hammer. I didn't look up all other kids of this what if though. Wolverine and Storm I could see, as those have hinted at being into each other in the past. Overall some odd pairing in there. Such as Captain America and Rogue, guess being super soldier he can survive having sex with the girl who drains lifeforce heh.(Edit: ok I see for the profile:Sarah RogersCarol took over Rogue, that makes more sense to why she'd be with Steve then.) Shehulk and Hawkeye? Torch and Wasp, I picture Hawkeye and Wasp getting together before those other pairing, but I am guessing they were going for what would spawn the right powers for the gimmick or name they wanted to have for the What If. Or they're just going with the captivity rule (see Seinfeld.), trap any people in same environment long enough they'll go at it heh. Either way was like a forerunner for the Next Avengers cartoon. (hopefully those kids will pop up in Marvel's contunuity at some point too.)

I was born in '79 heh.

Until you cancel it because the rates shot up.

When the spaceship fell on soundwave the Autobots got free. The capture happened off screen though. Soon as Bumble bee was about to get his brains splattered (which I almost believed for a second they were going really off bumble bee. The kid friendly characters never die...aka whoever is yellow hehe.) Brains and Wheelie brought the carrier down and pieces fell on the Decepticons allowing Bee and the gang to get free. Whether Brains and Wheelie survived the crash is anyones guess.



Here's a reminder! Megatron got trashed. I thought for a second Optimus killed him again till he yells for Starscream of all people to help him. Not to mention This happened earlier, and the soldiers beat the tar out of Megatron, including dropping a really massive bomb on Megatron before he killed Sam. It's amazing how much damage he withstood in RoTF. It's no wonder Megatron was in terrible shape in the third film.

Sadly they're complaining it's too violent as Optimus was somehow supposed to reason with the Decepticons when blasting them in the face is the only thing they seem to understand.(It's too dark for kids...but animated is too kiddy..make up your minds people.) Sorry if it was our world under attack, I want the robots who turn their foes to scrape metal on my side. Considering they nearly killed and enslaved every human on the planet 3 times I think the Decepticons all had it coming heh.

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I just saw This. It's quite awesome heh.

An emo pretty boy with an opedius complex and giant sword who sits around and does nothing is well done? Nothing you posted about Sepiroth is contained with in said game. Even in the animated storyline of advent children, he basically just waited for his posses to revive him because thats how much of a 1-dimensional Sepiroth is. (whcih Cloud solos and kicks his butt all over again.)

Jaws is a shark...so no one is expecting any compelling and is based off of an entirely different genre and medium. Most monsters weren't shown till end of movies due to bad effects and build up. Jaws was scary because Sharks are freaking scary and we're powerless in the water with them. (I'll gladly fight one on dry land weapon of choice.) it taps into a primal fear, thats very powerful.

There's nothing to be scared of with Sepiroth...especially in a game when you can summon pet monsters from no where that fire lasers from the depths of space. You aren't scaring a player in an rpg as powerful as FF7 as you re far from helpless. When I see some powerful bad guy or a challenge...I want to face it, not run away.

This we know about a villain it makes them some how worse...strongly disagree as that just basically is admitting the emperor has no clothes. if knowing the background of something makes it no longer scary...then may be it wasn't that scary to begin with. The unknown can be scary, but that's our imagination running wild. Learning the background of a villain should make them more compelling not less.

The best villains are ones which you can agree with on some level with why they are what they are(such as Magneto.), and understand them even if you'd never do what they do.(Such as Luca Blight, you find out if you look into his backstory , his mother, the Queen of the highlands was Graped right in from of his by attackers that hailed from the city state in the south when he was younger and was forced to watch. He was seriously damaged by this mentally, and will do anything to kill every single person that belongs to that country. Even if he has to kill his own people to get them as he knows he will kill those who attacked his mother. Knowing this didn't make him any less menacing. Infact you saw just how much conviction he had.) To say a villain only a good villain when you didn't know who or what they were...then they probably weren't that good of a villain to begin with.

If they did mostly by their own choices not because you lead them into it...then no you suck. And that's the case with Sepiroth. Cloud was nuts and delusional. If Cloud were sane and manned up earlier nothing would ahve happened. Sepiroth didn't have anything to do with Cloud's actions outside the very brief possession. Hojo does more to help his plans along than he does. Again Hojo chooses to put his energy into helping him, not because Sephiroth is a good mastermind. The plot spends too much time telling Sepiroth is uber and not enough time showing. He never earns his stripes. (Luca Blight of suikoden 2 earns his very quickly, if you've seen the pig scene. He makes you hate him.)

Which doesn't help his case is the incoherent plot of final fantasy 7. The game seemed like it wasn't sure who main villain was for first part of it, and then decided at the end of the run through midgard. Which honestly was the most interesting part of the game(if it wasnt for the strong beginning I'd never bothered playing thru the game.) had focus then all suddenly throws sepiroth into the game out of left field because it felt like they just tossed 3 different stories into a meat grinder and made FF7. (take 4 stories and you get FF 8 hehe.) Shinra was far more interesting than Sepiroth was, and they really would been a better focus if they were kept as the main villains rather than pushed to back burner to fill in whenever Sepiroth and his handful of minions couldn't keep the plot crawling forever. (which was often.) Rufus was far more of magnificent basstidge than Sepiroth ever was.

A great villain is alike a murder conviction....you can't have too much circumstaneal evidence. Unfortunately for Sepiroth that's all he has. Stuff other people did to make him a threat not stuff he did to make himself a threat.

If you want to take another villain who sits back and chills but is a far better villain for it....the Lavos. Despite seemingly being the typical square villain who gains power and sits in their lair waiting for the heroes to prove them wrong this not the case. Everything in Chrono Trigger is by the Lavos' design. If the heroes did nothing then they'd played right into the villains plan, as thats precisely why they get involved in the first place. No one could stop it in the original timeline. The Lavos actually is a threat as we see it lay waste to the entire world.

What sepiroth do....die to a scrub soldier, come back to life and stab a defenseless girl in the back between long periods of waiting. The only people he ever seemed to kill were thru sneak attacks.Kefka wrecks the entire planet, countless millions. Kuja blows up one. Somehow Sepiroth for all his popularity really is a good metaphor for the game he came from. Impressive to look at, shallow and lacking on further inspection. His aesthics had done more to make him popular than his actions ever did.

Yeah I heard that much people who read the novel were shocked By Megatron getting wasted. I honestly was surprised as I figured some sort of truce could be reached. But when rewatching the film (I had to take my sisters kids as I promised.) Megatron really wasn't in the position to be demanding anything of prime. All his troops were dead, as Megatron and Sentinel were last cons standing. Megatron basically was like well you need me... not really but thanks for buying me some time (axe to head.) More or less the same scene as the 86 film, of Megatron asking for mercy, only this time he doesn't get it.

Megatron's only out was if Optimus was willing to let him walk away in one piece. Even if Prime was killed by Sentinel,(which they could have revived him afterwards.) the remaining autobots and humans could have easily finished off either of the enemy commanders. With prime dead they'd have even less reason to spare them.

There was absolutely no reason for Prime to spare either of those dirtbags. Both were highly wanted war criminals with alot to answer for. Either one could easily gathered troops and started the war anew. Megatron was only doing what he was doing for his own benefit not because he wanted to truly help Prime or the earth, he was just cutting his losses hoping Prime would agree. His tone just gave away he wasn't doing it for the greater good. (unlike the novel that built up Megatron more toward making a truce and doing the right thing. We saw very little of that outside of the scene in the alley.Megatron helps Prime to his feet in the novel and they fight side by side then.)

Unfortunate for him, both him and Sentinel had last 3 movies telling Optimus how soft he was every chance they got. (and killed him while doing so.) Sentinel just said he wouldn't make the hard calls. So they got what they asked for..Optimus being a hardarse. I think on some level Megatron would been proud of him for killing him the way he did heh. Megatron was counting on Prime to be soft as he always had been. They pushed him too far.

In first for sure or even the second Megatron probably could called truce and Optimus would likely taken whatever deal for peace. Too much had gone south since then, as the Decepticons were seconds from taking out our sun already, and now forced him to damage or possibly even wreck what remains of cybertron to save Earth. (I'm guessing the planet still majority there.)

So No I wouldn't consider Prime a psycho for killing his archnemesis despite saving him while backed into a corner and his former mentor. War is hell, and those two were the biggest obstacles to peace. Given how badly beaten Prime was he didn't have the luxury of talking it over with Megatron, but they both had already decided how was going play out. If you've seen Beast wars , Megatron(BW) basically comes back and says theres no peace...just us binding our time. Won't be fooled again. Plus they just really wanted to end the film as the finale felt rushed. Not to mention Bay seemed to want to scorched earth the villains. Like Im taking it all with me.

So yeah...there's no reboot in sight.

So when do I get take the Super soldier serum like the Captain America movie..I'd love to be taller hehe.

While as long as a male is healthy he could continue produce seeds long after the normal period, but at some point a woman's eggs still go bad even if the rest of her doesn't. At very least she'd run out of them. (suppose woman could just freeze a bunch ahead of time, and have kids steadily of the centuries.)

Because Sentinel's ship just drifted thru space what momentum it had leaving orbit to a location while Megatron was moving as fast as he could. It took far longer get there at a much slower speed.

Optimus sometimes had make ugly decisions for greater good. This was one of those lose the battle win the war moments. I mean in the original series Rodimus blew up a planet to keep the Decepticons from having it in Fight or Flight heh. So there's way worse ways of handling it LOL. (Just be thankful Hotrod isn't trying save us.)

My thoughts were the deal struck with Sentinel was the first of many plans Megatron had. Sentinel got shot down, and wasn't heard from again while Megatron was active.(he was frozen during the 60s so he had no chance to know that Sentinel's ship actually made it till he unthawed and had soem down time to access his resources between ROTF and DOTM.) So chances are that plan got pushed to the back burner till after all other plans with the Allspark and the Fallen went bust. Megatron probably was looking for a way use the space bridge technology, why he had the Decepticons capture the pillars, but nothing came thru till he rsaw Optimus could revive Sentinel with the Matrix of Leadership. Seeing the potential for this plan to be revisited he put it into motion.

Megatron likely did plan meet Sentinel but nothing either of them had envisioned went according to plan.Sentinel was shot down(only Megatron knew about the plan. Starscream ahd no clue till Megatron told him at the Lincoln memorial.), The Allspark was launched into space, and he was frozen.

So I dont take it as this film contradicts the others really. Other than Why heck 200 plus decepticons waited till now to attack earth when there was two major battles. I'd liked it better if the army that showed up was at some remote location in space awaiting orders that was space bridged in rather than just chilling on the moon. There's some minor conflicts in the story, but if you just take each movie as stand alone episode like G1 , then it's cool by itself.(like why didn't Jetfire or any of the seekers recover the Allspark if they were on Earth before the Hoover Dam was built.)

He had to fake his departure/death in order to fight against Megatron. He had resisted leaving the Earth's government might have attacked him. It likely took some time to get there from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the massive army of Decepticons set up shop there before he arrived. He had to use the element of surprise since the Autobots were vastly outnumbered.(why they retreated from DC earlier in the film.) Wasn't til the cons settled in and had divided up their troops was it a viable option to strike back, especially with the humans backing them again.

Fans pitched a fit over Mark Ryan's performance as Bumble bee in the first film. (admittedly he doesn't sound that great as Bee in the games. He's too burly of a voice.) So they just went back to the radio gimick, minimizing his lines he actually speaks himself. Mark Ryan is a great Voice actor(I loved him as Jetfire.), but he wasn't probably the right actor for Bee. They may be should looked up Dan Gilvezan to reprise his role as Bumble bee.

Heh an amusing assesment, but it's actually that he was killed by Cosmic Rust. A biological weapon from G1 and animated. (Animated Ironhide was covered in it as well.) You see this when Sentinel misses Bumble bee afterward killing Ironhide and the chemicals are eatting away the boxes he hits instead. They needed a way kill ironhide that the matrix couldn't just fix removing any effect Ironhide's death would have had.

I'd say just watch it in 2D for that price difference. It's neat but nothing earth shattering.

I never had a problem with the humans, but I didn't have a problem with the twins either. I found them mildly amusing. Deep wang was overboard, but given he's a guy who's about to crack because he knows Decepticons could be watching his every move I'd cut him some slack. Some talking vulture was murdering people and spying him me, I'd probably be a bit of a wreck too.

Yeah which the Challenger irony also happened in 86. Just in this case you knew there was no possible way they were on it.

I'm sorry strongly disagree. How come I knew pretty much the name of every single Autobot and Decepticon (besides Shockwave , man he was the most name dropped Decepticon in the series besides Megatron in the first film heh. If you didn't know who Shockwave was you were asleep.) besides the unnamed minions. (whom were called the Dreads for highway battle. The 2 autobots at the base were Ironhide and Sideswipe whom been both introduced plenty between the 3 films. Though their names were said again here. Sam yells IRONHIDE!! right as they pull up and he rams the dreads at the same time.) Without having looked it all up before the movie. I tried not to get too much spoiled before hand, so I went in with as little info as anyone else who watched it.

The Bad guys all said their names while in Africa, and again at the party scene for Lazerbeak and Soundwave. They had a role call for the good guys during the beginning of the movie. The only Autobots that didn't get their names said was the wreckers. (Roadbuster was the green one, and the leader, Leadfoot was the red, and Topspin was the blue one.)

Not going happen, and just about every single comic book movie just as guilt of doing this as Transformers. Why are the autobots shown less over series than humans?..MONEY. For same reason Ironman spends majority of the film not in his armor and the whole fight with ironmonger was a whopping 7 mins. Why we see more Bruce Banner than the Hulk in the films. Why scenes on Oa in green lantern were brief and not the majority of the film. Why Thor spent so much time being human and less time being Thor. You make these assessments as if budgets are unlimited or something.

It's cheaper show humans and cars than millions of dollars robots.If you really wanted a bot heavy film you,d be better off making an animated one where costs the same to make anything appear on screen. Simliar to the TMNT reboot that was all CGI. As long as it's live action humans are going be the forefront.

And don't say well they're the title characters. Gremlins, Critters, and even ET took the back seat to humans. That's just live action films for you.

I wouldn't agree with this assessment at all. Prime holds back alot in the first film. He was very relucant to fight Megatron. he'd rather sacreficed himself than killed him. When Megatorn dies he has alot of regret as he tried reason with him. Prime just wanted to end the war, and thinks with the Allspark gone the Decepticons will leave Earth alone since he doesn't want our race to pay for the mistakes of his.

He's wrong as the Decepticons plans ultimately went deeper, and they don't seem to be getting the message to stay off of Earth, his new home. They don't as he begins pushing back as the Earth is a no flight zone. Megatron returns and asks Prime point blank if he's ok with letting his friend die for sake of their race, and of course Prime says, You'll never stop at one and he's right. He defends Sam's like a father protecting one of his own children as he fights with every fiber of his being. And DIES for his convictions. (Prime dies alot heh.)

He returns and comes back with little time to spare,then cleans house as the Earth was 2 seconds from being sunless. Given what he was up against, using all force he did was completely understandable. War is hell. He ultimately spares Megatron and Starscream(he's not really in the shape to chase them.)

In third film is betrayed by his mentor, and so much destruction is on his head. He initially tries to detain Sentinel as they both are holding back in DC. Optimus had to sneak into the city, and basically assassinate Sentinel because he lacked the forces to fight head on. Especially without the Earth's government backing him till then. So no it wasn't him being a jerk by letting Chi-town get trashed. (which living in the chicagoland area was surreal seeing it blown to bits.) At the end fo the fight Sentinel calls Prime soft, and what you think Optimus was going do to a job who just sliced off his arm and betrayed him? Blow him and his fellow conspirator away.

Optimus definitely is harder than he's ever been in these films than his typical showing, but the threat is equally fierce. That said Prime had his meanstreaks in even G1. In War dawn he says, "I'm your worst nightmare" as he begins blowing away a bunch of Decepticons. (a line lifted in ROTF by Megan Fox when she manhandles Wheelie.) In Heavy Metal war he tells all autobots to shove all Decepticons into a pit of lava.(they happen to live of course.) In the 86 film Prime says "Megatron must be stopped at any cost.", and processes to recycle every Decepticon that gets in his way. He was two seconds from sending Megatron to the scrapyard in the sky if Hotrod had listened to Kup and stayed out of it.

The intent of violence has always been part of the series. We just finnally get the consequences of them here. While I'd liked to seen a moment where Optimus did what he did in Endgame to Megatron in TF Animated, but this portrayal far more about realism and the effect of violence that the previous takes of the universe. It would have been out of place here, though was interesting to see both sides try avoid killing each other in this film at two different times.

At his core I don't feel optimus Prime that different from his G1 counter part, they re just same chaarcter in very different universes and how they'd react.

Bay left of his own accord. I don't think he did that bad of a job on this all and put a different focus on the series than most others would have. I think there's parts that work and parts that didn't. I personally would rather they continued on without rebooting because I am honestly sick of the rush to reboot everything lately. Ultimately Bay wasn't working alone on this project, and alot of the previous people will likely come back regardless who is directing it.

This wasn't X 3. Sure we'd down a few villains, but honestly there's no reason to not bring in some new ones as Megatron had enough spotlight. He was the sole big bad of the first film, and played a major role in the second. His part in the 3rd was smaller, but his character was explored for the most part.He really only had to paths, be somehow redeemed like the Novel which built up this angle alot more, or get fragged like the movie.

Given that we can see other elements of the Transformers universe besides the eternal wizzing contest of Megatron and Optimus Prime. (It's a comfort zone of the series, much as Professor X and Magneto are the go to characters for Xmen line ups. Batman always gets in a match up with the Joker.) if for sake of there's alot more interesting angles to be had that can be explored.

For example they bring in Ultra magnus, and have an Autobot commander who's been leading awhile without Prime and more loyal to Cybertron than Earth, we can see the dymanics clash between him and Prime. Especially if during course of the next films Cybertron becomes inhabitable. (they need really have something fix that loose end at some point.) What well Prime choose then, to stay on Earth or go home despite having potential attacks on Earth continue as they have.

I am confident there's plenty more to series to go beyond the comfort zone that we'd only get to see if there isn't an immediate reboot. Given how successful the movies have been I don't see hasbro too eager to stop the movies. I don't think they should as if comics rebooted every time they had a story that wasn't well received they'd never get anywhere. Retcon or ignore what you have to and go forward. I mean not like this IP has remotely the jacked up Continuity of the Xmen franchise. No reason they can't have the show go on with or without Bay.

While the movies haven't done everything I'd like either, Sideswipe was cool regardless. When they said the twins were going be in the film for Rotf those were first characters I thought of. I sure as heck wasn't expecting skids and mudflap over Sideswipe and sunstreaker. If they continue with the movies may be his brother will turn up.

Not likely. The movies aren't a direct translation of Transformers into the present(simliar how to GI Joe is for most part a fairly faithful take on the movie.), more of What if Transformers appeared in the real world. This would be too radical of an element to the movies for their MO. They try keep the basic elements of the real world grounded.

Combiners don't translate well if you pay any level of attention to scale.(most animated series don't. Animated and Prime both have motorcycle characters who are as large as their teammates.) Take Superion, all it's components are Jets and would be massive compared to all rest. Easily around 200 feet tall. (If Silverbolt had his G1 alt form of a concorde, then he'd be over 100 feet tall by himself.) While Menasor being a bunch of cars wouldn't be any bigger than say Demolisher in revenge of the fallen. Given most car bots are about 15 feet tall, and motormaster if he's just a semi like probably is 30 feet tall, possibly like 45 feet tall if we include his trailer like G1. We're looking at a 60 feet tall combiner at most.

Defensor and Bruticus's components all varied too much in size from each other. Groove was the a motorcycle who formed the leg of Defensor, while Blast off was freaking space shuttle and the arm of Bruticus. These would need some major overhauling to work.

Abominus and Computron was made of vehicles and creatures that didn't really exist, so is unknown for them. Predaking was massively out of scale with the actual animals that formed it, but given Scorpanok was a giant scorpion they could ignore that.

They'd likely have to change them so much fans wouldn't be happy with the final result to get them to work.

While I agree the next film can have a completely different villain to beat up besides Megatron...I don't agree eneds be a steadily larger and larger threat. Power creeping gets you into realms of stupid quickly if left unchecked. Plus I think we have tons of other characters who fall in between Unicron and Megatorn to fill out the gaps between them. Thunderwing, Jhiaxus, Liege Maximo, Galvatron(as a seperate being.) and others could easily show up first. If Unicron is ever brought to the movies. He needs be the very last film. (till a reboot anyways heh.)

The comics already mentioned something simliar on the movieverse of Unicron being cybertron.(alternate reality of course to movies.) Having Unicron/Primus be same entity just corrupted is an easy way introduce them in a manner that's organic the existing story. Ultimately I'd still have Unicron create an avatar of himself to beat up inside him so the heroes can actually fight him as well as have his true form appear. Still wouldn't really be wanting to see this happen, but there's always ways of translating things.

Well Mirage/Dino should probably be reversed with Movieverse Sideswipe.In the End I'm just happy we saw a Movievese Sideswipe. (And Damn he's good.)

You just named a whole ton of things that likely will never see the light of day heh. I like the Dinobots, and the combiners teams but none of those things translate well to live action. Combiners and City bots have massive scale issues. Something they've tried hard to do keep in order in the films. Not to mention the combiner teams have eb able to transform into a robot and somethnig that resembles a limb. Why for the basic toys the constructicons only turned into a robot and vechiles, and the toy of Devastator only turned into a combiner and vechiles like the film.

Unicron is lame. Even his name is lame; I mean look how close is name is to Unicorn. Unicorns don't strike fear nto hearts of their enemies. (besides the most interest man in the world.) Unicron was such a scale breaker, I don't think he'd ever go over well in a live action film. I mean whats the point of a planet sized bad guy? It's that just gross over kill.

* I loved Carly/Rosie myself. She had far more chemistry with Sam/Shia than Megan/Miekayla ever did. Outside of her staring blankly during huge explosions all around her I really liked her performance. I also liked the nod to tie her to series by her being the brother of the british soldier from the NEST team in the second film who speaks a few lines. It makes sense why she and Sam would both be at the white house to get medals then since she was there on her brotehrs behalf. (guess he died during the final battle. Given how many soldiers got mowed down, it's not surprising heh.)



* Not be mean, but did you pay attention to when they explained the plans? They wanted to enslave us, which was a plot ripped straight out of G1, Ultimate Doom. They needed both our resources and us to fix their world as Carly asks that very question to Dylan.

As for Why Chicago, Likely was a central location on the world near by could be easily defended.(anything on the coast line could easily be bombed to pieces by carriers and battleships like in revenge of the fallen. There's none of those on the great lakes, and would take alot of time to get them there.) The control pillar probably needed be in the middle of the batch and on a tall enough structure to broadcast it's signal more effectively, like we do with our cell or radio towers. They needed somewhere to hold out while the rest of the pillars were spread out.

If you remember the episode City of steel, Megatron does something simliar to NY. All tall buildings would likely be plenty of materials to convert into a strong hold. I picture that was the next step in Sentinel's campaign.

*You're entitled to that opinion, but I personally think most of them looked pretty cool. Some unique, but definitely felt alien.

Which Bay is not to blame for all this. Bay is not an artist, an animator or the final say on what the bots look like. He just had a bunch of options to pick from, and the people who created the concept art and designs are far more to blame than Bay is for approving them. Hasbro had the final say on what made it into the line up since they were making the toys for the movie characters. They seem to have liked the movieverse designs as Transformers Prime has alot of simliar styled bots. A project which Bay had nothing to do with. So a Bay-less reboot or sequel does not mean designs will change suit accordingly. Place the blame on the people who actually made the designs not Bay.


He did some stuff before he went to the big junkyard in the sky. Blew up the autobots shuttle, killed a bunch of air planes. Had some exposition with Megatron. It was cool see the Classic Trinity united in africa together of Megatron, Starscreamer and Soundwave with lazerbeak in tow.

Megatron didn't die in Revenge of the Fallen. He died in the first film and the Third. They probably won't use the name Galvatron as they already said it would only confuse people who are casual fans. Otherwise they'd made the change in Revenge of the fallen when they revived him the first time. Galvatron is an inferior name anyways, Id prefer Megatron and Galvatron were never the same entity ever again. If they wanted to bring in Galvatron id prefer they made him a seperate character like the IDW comics did.


Possibly with a space bridge from Sentinel Prime, drilled his way there, or the same way he got it to Earth heh.

Mirage in the novel and Dino in the film.

Please no a 1000 times. Unicron is a plot device not a villain. He's too big to fight, and is a rather uninteresting villains since he's too dangerous to actually suceed at killing planets. I prefer villains the heroes can actually fight. I'd prefer never see any threads of the 86 film ever used in the live action films. Once was enough. Givne how little they had to do with Devastator, I don't picture them wanting have transformers that are planet sided. Unicron has been overused in all comics , and cartoons and needs ignored for awhile.

Entirely possible. Alot of people were guessing they'd be rednecks, but honestly after the twins backlash I can see why they didn't.They deleted the Twins from the movie to avoid any further fiascos for same reason. you do see them at the end of the convoy in the intro, but the rest of their scenes are deleted. I personally would liked them left in as they were supposed be killed by Sentinel Prime to save Bumble bee from him. I mean what better way for them to be used than as fodder heh? Rather than take the chance of offending more people they were erased from the storyline. They still got toys based off their new designs though.

I'd disagree, as they were supposed be like futball holigans. It was a nod to the UK comics , Simon Furman making the team. Bumble bee was more like wreckgar with his talking in lines from TV and movies.

This something I commented on antoher forum that applies here.

* It wasn't just a war of factions, but beliefs. Sentinel figured if he could rebuild cybertron and get their race back on it's feet then Optimus would eventually see things his way. Why he spared him in DC(which both of them were holding back in the scuffle. Prime was just trying detain him.), and forced them to leave. (whether he asked Starscream to blow up the autobots ship or not is another story. That easily could have been Megatron or Screamers call.) At the end Sentinel having revealed his plans, and was shocked that even with Cybertron right there in front of his eyes...Optimus still wasn't going quit. I bring you Cybertron Optimus, and you still side with the humans. (more or less.) Sentinel wanted Optimus at his side, and to have his approval in this.

Optimus was a true beleiver in everything he learned, while Sentinel was alot like Dylan.(in which case once they both commited their betrayals there was no turning back as the side they screwed over would likely shaft them every bit as hard as the villains they sided with might.) They'll try do right thing when it's convient, but when push came to shove was out to save their own skin and willing toss their morales aside if doing the right thing isn't in their best interests. Both were willing to side with the Decepticons, despite collectively making a choice that was bad for their race.

Dylan was a mirror being held up showing humans were just as capable of being monsterous(which he was trying convince Sam to join his side in a simliar fashion as Sentinel did to Prime.) was the Decepticons while Optimus was a mirror being held up showing Cybertronians can strive to for the greater good no matter even when it is to just simpler to take the easy way out.

* MASSIVE SPOILERS * (why are you in this thread anyways if you're worried about those heh.)















Given how much got lifted from the original series in this film I'd have say someone was paying attention to the source material.

- The plot of Ultimate Doom , where the Decepticons used a space bridge to move cybertron to earth to enslave us and gather resources is lifted wholesale.

- Megatron using Abe lincoln's momument as a throne. This was done in the episode Atlantis Arises. (and the ending of the first movie game as the Decepticons.)

- Dark Awakening, Optimus prime was brought back to life as a trap for the autobots. In the episode Rodimus imediately tries hand over leadership back to Optimus Prime the same way Prime does to Sentinel in the film. Only difference is Sentinel rejects the matrix of leadership, while Rodimus has beat it back out of prime later.

- Megatron's master plan, The autobots are forced the earth by the humans to leave due to an act of deception. Of course it turns otu to be a trick, and the autobots return in time to save the planet.

- Ironhide gets wasted simliar to how gets taken out in the 86 film. Only we see it this time.

I'd say there's a lot more stuff but there's alot of attention to details to the source material. Far more than the credit given. Even Revenge of the fallen, was simliar plot to change gears with the solar needle. Jetfire maintained his role of being a turncoat, the taxi service of the team, and merged with Optimus Prime as he did in the Unicron trilogy.

Ulimately you have watch these with the same level of suspession of disbelief as you did with the original series. If you overanalyze it all it just doesn't work as Why in world would Megatron held back that many troops on the moon till now. 200 some Decepticons landed in DC....why did they just chill on the moon till now? If Soundwave and Lazerbeak have been on the Earth since the 60s...why didn't they help find the Allspark sooner? Same could be said for ROTF...why didnt Jetfire, or any of the seekers looking for the Matrix of Leadership recover the Allspark since it wasn't concealed till the hoover dam was built if they'd been here for centuries? You just have look at the stories from a self contained episode outlook as there's parts that just don't work if you don't.

As a selfcontained story the whole backstory of Dark of the moon is an interesting conspiracy. If it wasnt so much retreading of ROTF I'd liked it more, but I enjoy the film for what is is. It never had the magic moment the other films had, as when the autobots descend, or the forest battle happens, those were just perfect moments that really captured the essense of transformers. All in all was worth seeing though.

More like Guardians of the known universe heh. I just picture they divided up as much as they felt like patrolling and left the rest to fend for themselves.(The Kirbylee system...ah it's the ghetto of space....I'm not going there. Take it off the charts.) I mean they had the one issue where there were new races discovered that were blind so they had make the oath about sounds. All reality too big to cover...even if you're an immortal blue yoda.