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  1. I saw it sunday. Both my girlfriend and I were horribly bored by the first half(seriously feel free go to bathroom any time during the beginning...you won't miss anything.) as it lacked any action beats or particularly funny jokes. The pacing was just disjointed. It tried win me back in the second half, but then the pace just tried cram all the evil exs into it before the movie ended. The battles really need started at the 20 min mark since it was supposed be the hook of the movie based off the trailers....not the end of the first hour.

    There might have been some people this movie scored major points with. It wasn't me or my girlfriend. It's really a niche film. I got all the old school gaming references, she didn't. We both ultimately felt it was a rental. I didn't hate it (despite seriously considering walking out during the first half. Cera crosses the Spider man 3 bar dancing scene awkwardness levels at a couple points. I was not amused as I felt embaressed for him.) I'd skip it in the theathers or catch it at a cheap show. C-.

    And for love of pete if you re going have a fake band in a movie...don't have them suck as a constant gag or show them constantly play.
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    Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
    except he doesn't. He completely nailed the selfish egotistical and oblivious personality of Scott Pilgrim, traits that aren't typical of his typecasting in previous films. Especially considering he does martial arts in this film...
    So he's the character from Super bad with martial arts...yeah that's really showing his range...(rolls eyes.)


    I tend to agree with this.

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    I also think Cera's casting for the part was a poor choice. He came across far too insecure while comic book Scott's defining trait was willful ignorance. Coupled with the Cera backlash, he probably did little to aid the movie.

    I'd rather seen the guy who played Wallace been Scott Pilgrim than Cera. (he's fine in super bad, but Cera is like white bread. Fine with other ingredients but can't stand alone as there's nothing to keep you wanting more alone.)Cera's performance was flatter than week old soda. He didn't come across as egotistical at all.(like him putting on his stupid hat every time a girl mentioned his hair cut.) Selfish and dense, but not remotely confident. He was insecure as they come.

    At no point would you ever see why Ramona would want to be with Scott besides beating up her ex's.(I hate myself for using this analogy, but Scott Pilgrim is like Bella from twilight.*rips off the corner of his mancard.*) You find it hard to believe he's gotten with all women the movie claims as it goes so far to show what a massive loser he is. He has nothing of substance to him and he's incredibly awkward and clueless with girls as all Cera's characters seem to be.

    Granted Ramona comes across as a fast woman(as she almost sleeps with him on the first date.) and bit of a Bwitch based off her history with men. (G-man was probably the guy she really deserved as she made the evil exs.) You can understand easily why he'd want to date her initially but once Scott sees her baggage it's a wonder why he'd continue or be in love with a girl he barely knows besides the whole love at first sight/destiny crap. Their relationship ultimately just feels forced compared to Knives who I've seen play out simliarly in real life tons of times, as their interactions felt much more natural.

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    Originally Posted by ketch View Post
    I was finally able to see this over the weekend. It was... meh. The secondary characters that I loved in the comics were all skimmed over in the movie. The problem there is that Scott's background and real character is revealed through the relationships he had with the people around him; it's no wonder reviewers saw him as a blank slate for the audience to project themselves on. A great deal of the nuance and characterization was lost in this re-interpretation.

    I also think Cera's casting for the part was a poor choice. He came across far too insecure while comic book Scott's defining trait was willful ignorance. Coupled with the Cera backlash, he probably did little to aid the movie.

    For anyone even slightly interested in the story, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the comics over the movie even if it is a harder medium for some folks to swallow; it's just that much better. The movie did have a few good qualities to it, but they won't be enough to save it.

    I agree with your assessment, and look forward to picking up the comic.


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    Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay View Post
    But it's so good.

    Congratulations, Cinema. You finally have your Psychonauts.
    Not even remotely close to Psychonauts. I can understand you like it alot, but let's not go crazy here. I really was bored with the first half of the movie. This movie was like me in high school. Did nothing for first half, then crammed everything in at the last min to get a passing grade.(which I do give it a passing grade.....a rental.) The movie's entire hook didn't come till an hour in, not the 20 min mark when the film really needed it. There wasn't a single action beat for that entire time, then it just crams all evil exs into the movie like a series of speed bumps. It made the pacing really uneven.

    The movie started winning me back in the second half, but it was too little too late. Based off the trailers you'd expected a high energy over the top movie. Not a unfunny/boring rom-com that attempts to transform into a high energy over the top movie at the end. I was expecting something closer to kick *** as thats how you do it right. This might not been the property for that since I have not read the graphic novel. But as a stand alone experience it fails to deliever what the trailer promised till waaay too late into the whole experience. I really felt the potential for something great...but it never got there. And I got all the references it made.
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    Originally Posted by OzzieArcane View Post
    O RLY?

    Cause I hated Michael Cera prior to this movie and yet I had no problem with his performance in this.
    Results may vary. I don't have issues with him, but I'd figure most people who hate him would since he basically plays same character here as super bad and Juno. (like how Owen Wilson plays as psuedo new age guru/ surfer dude in every comedy he's been in. ) Give that same character video game based super powers and you have Scott Pilgrim.
  4. I saw Scott Pilgrim vs world.....Was a C+ /Rental. It's pacing for first hour was painfully slow. The trailer summed up the majority of the story that really needed to be said. I was getting rather bored by then, and the action didn't do much for me. I was grateful that some of the evil exs/fights had speedy resolutions such as 5 and 6 were twins as the movie couldn't have taken being drawn out any more than it was.

    It makes alot of obscure NES gaming references that will likely fly over most people's heads. (people bursting into coins like river city ransom, the bands are named after NES titles.) I can see how this could be a cult hit, but it's something that likely won't fly with the mainstream audience as it's like a giant inside joke that they just won't get or appreciate. (Such as my girlfriend whom I took with didn't get most of the gaming references, and found the movie equally average as I did.)

    Don't quote online sites as "proof" a movie is good. That's just the reviews of people who care enough to post an opinion. Which is really a very small cross section of the world.

    If you hate Michael Cera, you will not like him here as he plays the usual awkward dork he always plays. He's probably the least funny part of the movie, and he's unfortunately the title character. (What Brandon"Superman" Routh does made me laugh more in his brief role than Cera does.)

    In the end I wouldn't recommend rushing out to see Scott Pilgrim. I'd say rent it. (and fast forward thru the first hour as there's tons of unneeded filler.) It has alot of fun ideas, but the snail pacing really drags down what could been a great film. I will likely go and read the graphic novel as I imagine it's probably more entertaining than the movie was. (and go see the expendables.)
  5. Thats pretty much the entire idea of the elseworld Act Of God.(there's 3 parts to the review of it.) Too bad it's a terrible story.

    Black Cat gained gear from the Tinker to amp up herself after she lost her other powers. (she's rerolled a couple times.)

    Jubliee as mentioned became Wondra with the Wizards tech. (she's currently a vampire last I heard.)
  6. Lastjustice

    Retcon Anyone?

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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl
    Horses make everything better
    *blows up a centaur cat girl*

    Seems you're right.
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    Originally Posted by Veritech View Post
    someone did try something similar, it was behind the whole Last Laugh crossover, where a guard at the Slab lied to the Joker and told him he had cancer and was going to die in a few weeks. a pretty amusing trick despite what happened.

    as for some normal folk wanting to take down the Joker. Think the closest ive seen was Petit during the NML or Gordon when he actually shot out Joker's knee. but then, in the DCU, the 'normal people' usually end up being the first or the gruesomest victims.
    There was the episode in the animated series where the Joker owned this one guy for cutting him off in traffic. He goes into witness protection, but the Joker still finds him as he calls the guy his hobby. He later then threatens blow him up to get free of the Joker's grip, as the Joker didn't want to die at the hands of a nobody.
  8. I've given enough money to Lucas. I'll be skipping this.
  9. Lastjustice

    Retcon Anyone?

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    No cruelty to animals
    I love it when Horses "stick" together.
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    Retcon Anyone?

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    It's not possible to tire of horse talk
    Well you might be beating a dead horse hehe.
  11. And here I thought you were off constructing a batcave in your backyard. I guess I lost that bet.
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    During the late 80s and early 90s Batman had the same code as now. If you can prevent death, prevent it. I've never seen Batman(Bruce Wayne) walk away from someone he could have saved, villain or hero.
    Do you not read what I said? Or just people so hard up to correct me at all cost?

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    Batman had a much looser kill policy prior to the 90s/ late 80s.
    Meaning before that time his kill policy wasnt the same before that time. You wanna correct me fine, said prior to that era was when his extreme no kill policy started.(and his rogues actually started getting much higher body counts as they were mostly just crooks like the flash's rogues were before then.) He began the Dark Knight era during the late 80s which has for most part continued to the present.
  13. Was some guy who had a tree in his lung. What's with the plants getting in peoples lungs. I've heard of smoking weed, but this just takes it to a whole nother level heh.
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    Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang View Post
    Well Joker has this nasty habit of being unkillable, like many of the heroes, so it goes back to that saying, "don't wound what you can't kill, especially if what you can't kill will slaughter you and your entire family by making them literally laugh themselves to death."
    This. Joker has mag 99 plot armor. Otherwise for all the cops the Joker has killed over the years alone would resulted in some cops taking justice into their own hands while he was handcuffed and killed him while they claim he was escaping. That's the real blame for Jokers unending rampages.....his popularity as it's a super power in comics. Otherwise a nut job with human levels of durability being regularly in police custody would never lasted this long as way too many people have good reason to kill him.

    Anyone who sells books will some how endure. Just like This in Xmen, crazy retcons abound. They won't die no matter how illogical.


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    Batman does not kill.
    That's really only true recently.(Which it seems be more of a Ben 10 kill policy. If you're human or human looking he won't off you. Aliens, monsters, and clones on the other hand he has killed even in recent years. Such as the most recent shooting an undead Darkseid.) Batman had a much looser kill policy prior to the 90s/ late 80s. He wouldn't jump thru his butt to stop people from dying as he does now. If some goon brought death upon themselves he'd let them go down with the ship. (which he does in the animated universe as well as he left the Joker to his own devices plenty of times. Just the Joker always manages to endure.) If he was backed into a corner he'd do what he had to do; similarly to Captain America operates. Protect people but at some point enough is enough. Some people are just too much of a liability to the public to save even if they can be.

    Then came the 90s and all his rogues became full blown psychopaths who slaughter the masses of gotham. So in order for him not to off them all like most of the planet likely would they gave him an extremely rigrid no kill policy. (Which all lackeys his rogues have plot armor so he doesn't accidentally drop any of them using his brutal tactics.)
  15. What's this thread still doing here? I was expecting rage out and be done with it as it was supposed be gone monday morning. I'm rather confused. Now I actually have read all these dang responses at some point. Not now though as I need head to bed.
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    All of this really shows how little you understand about how technology works.
    You're assuming the gap between the prawns and the current tech is far bigger than it really is. I actually do understand it quite well. Given your example of giving an Iphone to people 500 years ago, yes they couldn't do too much with it since they lack all reagents and tools to construct it, and even if someone did understand how it worked, all hardware to make it work wont exist for hundreds of years. To them it might as well be magical, since that's about how well they'd understand it initially.

    In theory there could be something in the prawns tech would could not make at this current time, but the fact is there's plenty of it to analyze and understand. Given how rapidly our tech is advancing I'd give them 200-300 years on us tops. It's simply ahead of us but by no means beyond us.We for most part have less advanced versions of everything they have. We have the tools to manufacture any materials the stuff is made out of for most part. At very worst case scenario humans would be making knock off tech till the rest of the mystery unraveled itself.

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    And the prawns in the camp were all of very low intelligence. They would have been of no help at all in deducing the scientific principles of the technology.
    Not true, as they would operate stuff more than likely for a field test if you paid them to. They were more than willing give us their junk for cat food.

    Not to mention there was likely others like Chris aboard the ship given there was millions of them. All takes is one Prawn to be the golden goose. They had plenty of time to weed them out and find ones with talents.

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    Oh yes, and the stuff doesn't even work unless you're a prawn.
    All that seem be was a lock out device. (unless there's actually something in the Prawns that powers the devices, which at that point you'd just extract said fluid, and break down the components and mass produce it.) In reality that wouldn't be hard to bypass at all. Any machine can be tricked into tripping the on switch. If you know anything about electronics and machines you'd know that.

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    For someone who makes the sort of spelling and grammar atrocities that you do, I'd be careful saying things like that.
    I'm from the USA, and know how to communicate in English just fine. I'd ran my posts through spell check if I knew you were going to try to cite that as a point. In the heat of the moment I rant and make mistakes. I'm usually lax about errors.

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    A bias toward the empty eye-candy deck that is Transformers is totally relevant. One film is full of mindless crap spoon-fed to the audience, the other requires a bit of thinking, some knowledge of history, and the filling in of blanks. That your bias is toward the former rather than the latter is very telling.
    Completely false. District 9 actually has less realism in it(such as government agents don't change security codes , while Bay actually pays a huge amount of detail to real life operations and methods in his movies. There's tons of accuracy to them as someone who's been in the air force.) and lower quality story telling. You don't need know any history to follow district 9. Sure Apartheid happened, and it supposed happened during the 80s, but the film makes no references to that line frame. No cold war, nada.

    You're just making a straw man argument. Invalidating me won't invalidate my points.

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    Black South Africans weren't valuable to the collective planet? Let me be sure I understand you. Black. People. In South Africa. Weren't. Valuable. Under. Apartheid.

    *headdesk*

    TELL ME that what you REALLY meant was lost in translation! Please!
    Tenzhi gets it.

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    Let's not cloud the issue with race. From a pragmatic standpoint, any human beings of substandard technological advancement could be said to NOT be a valuable resource to the collective planet. Certainly nowhere near as valuable as greatly advanced technologies would be. Indeed, from a historical viewpoint I believe more often than not that a more advanced civilisation would be prone to push aside/kill/exploit the less advanced people and take their land, which would be the real valuable resource.

    The point, I'd say, is that the aliens had a valuable resource that could start wars and thus realistically the greater world powers would almost certainly have stepped in and handled the situation to keep it from getting out of hand. I guess the movie was trying so hard to be a thought-provoking metaphor that such considerations fell to the wayside.
    That's pretty much it.


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    You have got to be kidding. There is soooo much incredibly wrong with this concept that I hardly know where to start. I'll just say that District 9 was intended to be intelligent SciFi and leave it at that.
    Go ahead and try. I just posted a brief idea because I didn't think was really required for me break down every last detail of the scenario because I assumed you could connect the dots.(and would be really off topic.) I clearly overestimated you. You wanna talk down to me, don't pull cop outs, actually say something. You keep insisting I don't know what I'm saying but you offer nothing in return.

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    My examples were of human beings collectively doing short-sighted, stupid things for petty short-term reasons, while ignoring the potential long-term harm that can come of them. You did not refute any of them. In fact, I cannot decipher this paragraph of yours at all.
    If you see potentially dumping oil into the ocean as the same risk as having aliens bomb us into the stone age....then you really just don't understand. This is much bigger than that. Those two things aren't even on the same scale. Like comparing a pebble to a mountain. They re both rock, but that's what the similarities end.

    Not to mention the reason people did those things was profit. District 9 was squandering the chance make profit. Anyone that cutthroat wouldn't have set up a camp and stopped there. They wouldn't have allowed gangsters to roam their potential goldmine.

    Technology is extremely valuable. If you saw the story awhile back, there was a huge deal over the new Iphone getting leaked. A website bought it off someone who found it in a bar, and had a whole ordeal with apple. This is just a new version of an existing phone.

    People are willing go to war over oil, you think that the world's super powers would just sit idly by and let south Africa blow a once in a lifetime chance at new tech? Which South Africa was horribly running district 9, you can't say they weren't. How are we supposed to believe this sort of foolishness would be tolerated? It's not because the US or the UN are just that good of guys. No ,because of profit which you've already said yourself the lengths people will go for it. Your points reinforce mine. That's exactly why district 9 doesn't work. Greedy suits would had someone invade take the place over, and lock it down. That's all there is to it.

    Why movies shows bases like area 51, because the governments of the world don't mess around with top secret tech. I know because I was in the air force and they had in my manual to bust anyone's head with my wrench if they came near my plane if there was nukes on it. Deadly serious business. There's no room for crap like district 9 to happen.

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    And I actually agree with some of your criticisms. For example, the way the control pod went undetected for so long. And yes, all the humans in the film are nasty, petty, and awful. It has its flaws, but few films are perfect. But I enjoyed it and bought it on Blu-Ray.
    Go and enjoy it. It's your time and life. I'd rather watch something mindless that was atleast honest with what it was and not pretentious about it.
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    Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
    Okay.. At least District 9 was better than the Star Wars Christmas Special. I dare you to find a way to explain that it was worse.
    Fair enough, as that would be the bottom of the barrel. No I can't argue with that. I did state was a 3 of 10. Meaning there's room for things still manage to be much worse heh.

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    They've only been around for 20 years. Do you realistically expect people to know that much about an alien, it's technology, or anything else about it in such a short time?
    Oh ok, you really want to debate THIS of all things? Sorry you re dead wrong on this front. I cant even fathom how dense this statement is. Humans with 30 years can figure out alot of stuff. (the movie said 28 I believe but I'm just rounding.)

    Given the fact these critters would likely be under a microscope and they have WORKING MODELS. You don't have invent anything, just rip it apart and figure out how it works. (at very least would result in us making knock offs of their tech if we couldn't copy it perfectly.) There's enough back ups laying around you don't have be too worried about breaking one. It wouldn't take 30 years figure that out, so no this falls flat on it's face. Humans are waaay too smart to buy that load.

    There would be little mystery left to them in that time table. This not like we're studying a long dead race of critters with broken artifacts, They re very much alive and their stuff very much works. We can speak to them and REASON WITH THEM. (something the movie never did.) How are they supposed be a mystery. If was only 2-5 years fine you'd have a point, but at 30....absolutely not. Your point fails as hard as this movie.

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    You also missed that the alien ship decided to hover, out of all possible places, in Johannesburg, not exactly the finest example of humanity in the first place.
    I guess I also missed the part where America doesn't exist because that;s only way this story could have happened. They've gone and punted dictators for less. (such as oil.) You really think they'd let some scrub government get in their way of new tech and allow them to potentially get our planet wiped out? This the country takes it upon itself to put armed forces bases all over world and get in middle of everything...they'd never sit this out. It's simply too big of a game for them to stay on the bench.

    I'd picture the UN locking down the area removing all the locals. (and I could see them getting screwed, but not the prawns.) Bad PR on an intergalactic scale isn't something that would be allowed.

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    You think the movie sucks because they didn't tell the story the way you want them to. That, in no way, means the movie was horrible. It just didn't resonate with you. You expected A, and got B.
    No, you re assuming something I never stated. I could taken several different stories, the one they gave me sucked. You're grasping at straws to validate this crap film.

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    Reality DOES contain mustache-twirlers, and that really is a possible reaction to an alien presence.
    Yes there's tools who do horrible things. But they also need maintain a guise of usefulness to the world or not openly do things to point they get removed from office. (such as the former Ceo of BP.) These people ultimately do wish make money, and if the gulf wars for oil have proven anythnig, these same people would kick people's butts if they got in the way of scoring new tech, not stuff them in a corner and waste a highly profitable situation.

    I mean seriously who would profit from leaving the Prawns in district 9 and have it so halfassed ran? Who in the right mind would ever consider this insane plan? I could understand some sort of projects happening if the local government ran out of cash, but lets be real there's tons of money to be had. You're mad if you think otherwise. (just look how much money a new Iphone goes for. Imagine what their tech would sell for. )

    Do you not know how capitalism works? Even in the film the bad guys wanted the tech..which just about every other movie with aliens such as Predator, transformers, alien nation; humans want the aliens toys since they re shinier than ours.(which even in city of heroes they took Rikti tech in a few years and made the hospital system and new tech.) Supply and demand. Which is profitable. The prawns are willing barter for cat food, and are fairly easy to appease. I fail see how they couldn't just bribe their services with housing and food, avoiding the whole mess the movie gave. That's a cheap price tag for new tech. (Especially since the land in South Africa likely would be cheap enough buy all the surrounding area of the ship up.)

    Is it possible, sure but there's so many far more likely things that would make infinitely more sense. Anyone who believes that scenario is plausible simply does not think big enough to realize just how huge of a scale issue that is.The sigifiance of racial problems pales to the ramifactions to ticking another civilization that can waste us.(Steven Hawkins went on record to say we should avoid contact because its such a huge threat to our existence.Allen Moore thought the potential of an Alien invasion was such a big deal it could stop World war 3, and bring people together.) There's no profit in what they did in the movie. Anyone evil and out for profit wouldn't bother doing what they did. Just put a bullet in the prawns and claim they didn't survive the journey to the world, and they can't say we mistreated them. Then take their stuff. (or just bribe them for their stuff.)

    To apply something that is acceptable to minorities(from stand point the powers that be don't have any major movitatation to jump down your throat for screwing up.) to world does not hold water. If you think it does you really need open your eyes. That's like saying someone being bully as a kid is same as them being a serial murderer if we re just going apply massive over generalizations to everything. Their metaphor simply does not work for this.

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    The acting was fine, the effects were good, the air of mystery about the aliens wasn't totally removed. it's not a 5 star movie, but it's definitely not lower than a 3.

    Why is an air of mystery somehow a strong point? There's leaving well thought out plot threads, then there's just glossing over everything for sake of laziness. Sure they didn't write themselves into any corners, because that would have required more structure and substance, something this film was very lacking in. I suppose they re quite safe there.
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    Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
    At least District 9 was better than Battlefield Earth. I didn't notice any over-acting or wonky camera angles in District 9.
    I'd say they were same quality. on a 1-10 scale they re both 3s. They just were same idea coveying the exact opposite message. Battlefield earth humans are awe-some and have heart and defeat stupid bad guys who are charicture of ebil CEOs, while district 9 humans are D-bags and the humans are the ebil CEOs who probably could graduated from the psyclow school of conquest. Both shows ridicilous extremes to prove their point.

    I actually enjoyed Battle field earth when i saw it because it reaches a point of being so bad it becomes amusing. The logical side of my brain stepped out for a smoke real early into this dreck so I found it ok. It's by no means a good film, just awesomely bad as VH1 would say.

    District 9 never reache a point it was amusing beyond the cover story for wilkus actually made me laugh. It mostly just makes my head hurt.

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    And others will continue to like the movie. As much as i dislike the movie, it really isn't a poorly put together film. It's just done in a style that I (and obviously you) incredibly dislike. There's lots of things to dislike about the movie that have nothing to do with it being a BAD film.
    No it was a BAD film. People like the blaire witch project, its still a horrible film. district 9 waspoorly actted, poorly written. What was high quality about it? (the props from the Halo movie that got scrapped perhaps. I mean seriously if you really feel that isn't not low quality, feel free point out it's strengths in your eyes.) It was disjointed as it tosses aside the mockumentary angle when they werent clever enough make it work anymore.

    There's things I dont really like that I have concede have some quality to them. This isn't one of those times. (you know how little I like the Dark knight due to its overhype, but I can't say with a straight face its a low quality film. Even if I low ball it it's a 6 on a 1-10 scale.)

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    okay, stop that. my turn to point the finger and go 'wrong!'.

    Was more just to rattle foamy. I'd probably downplayed that statement but I was rushing off to work and didn't spend as long as I'd liked on the post. I probably should have waited till I got home and finishing my thought.

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    what torqued me about the film was that i found not one single person redeemable in it and that there were far too many points where i was outright bored. also, i get aggravated when we get slammed by the "Gragh! Humans evil!" hammer over, and over, and over... and over again.
    Yeah I definitely had a problem with that as even in the ugliest periods in human history there's always been people who were noble and just fighting against the idea. They might only been rebels or a resistance group but humanity very rarely fully embraces a terrible idea.

    They spent so much time showing us what a piece of crap wilkus it was like how are we supposed accept this massive 180 that he suddenly has courage, some semblance of intelligence and pair by end of the film? He was too pathiac to believe he'd done anything more but lay in a corner crying about his life and accepted defeat. (which killing people wouldn't have gotten him anywhere. Even if he became a human again he'd be a wanted man...so he's king of being stupid and short sighted.)


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    i don't like it, you don't like it. other folks do. don't assume defectiveness in their taste for disagreeing, especially in the case of this thread where they've spelled out the reasons why in an intelligent 9alright, mostly coherent for some of us) fashion.

    I don't assume they re defective. Again have enjoyed films that aren't the highest calibur.(as I say in this post i enjoyed battlefield earth for being so bad its good.) if people aren't getting that (which they dont seem to be, which is annoying." I will state it again. District 9 is CRAP, pure horrible crap. You are not for liking it, but be honest for what it is. Thats all I stated. There's nothing wrong with finding enjoyment in something I don't. But the facts dont lie that it's a disjointed poorly actted dreck that really offended me it was ever highly regarded by critics at all.


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    Zubenelgenubi
    It's arrogant in the extreme to make a dogmatic statement like that, “there's nothing to debate.” Sorry, but you are not the final arbiter of all things film. In fact, your support of Transformers shows just how far from an expert you really are.
    Last I knew I was the Lastjustice actually, so final arbitor isn't too far off haha. No district 9 is poorly put together as your post. I might be conceited, but I do usually make some points that ultimately stand regardless if people like me or not.(which tends annoy them further haha.) If you actually had a real thought you'd counterpointed better, as I clearly state I am biased to Transformers.(which I conceded it's by no means a highly crafted anything. Making that an irrelevant point to mention futher against me.) I can actually go however and counter point the supposed plot holes of said. The same can not be said of district 9 as they glossed over too much and took too much for granted. Best respond I can get is from Foamy, well stop expecting a movie that's supposedly thought provoking actually answer anything intelligently.


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    The entire film is a metaphor for Apartheid. It's really heavy-handed as these things go, in my opinion, but metaphor it is. The suspension of disbelief is necessary for the metaphor to work.
    And that Metaphor doesn't work. The people in that situation weren't valueable to the collective planet or a threat to us all if they were oppressed. The aliens are. They have technology people would want and would have gladly paid for them to have plenty of food to study them and their gear. Capitalism makes this movie not work.

    In order for this to work youd had to given us aliens who lacked any value or threat to the planet. Say some critters who crashed on earth on a piece of their world when it exploded as an asteroid. They lacked any tech or way of attacking us for treating them like dirt then yeah humans could walked all over them. (even then I see them being deemed too important as a discovery and taken into some sort of habitant.)

    For science fiction/fantasy for the setting can be fantastic, but the ultimate human element has ring true for the metahpor to work.
    (why alot of marvel titles tend do well since the characters are humans with super imposed problems as an extention of their powers.) District 9 doesn't ring true. Just presents us with alot of mustache twirling jerks and tries claim this humanity. I'm sorry we dont all collectively roll that way. We're a mixed bag. it fails give us anythnig more than a poorly set up guilt trip.

    I mean really what part of the world would actually deem tossing aliens with superior tech into a shanty town is a good idea? You'd be hard pressed find many that would not see as a terrible idea for countless reasons. For the cross section you could find, theres too many that would stop them for the wrong or right reasons. (even greedy evil people would deem this plan poorly profitable. Theyd just killed all the prawns and said none of them survived the trip instead of wasting time halfass attempting at helping them.)

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    Global warming, the risks of deep-ocean drilling, and the clear danger of insane banking gambles are obvious recent examples.
    Your examples are weak for reasoning for it. If anything these example would prove exactly why I'm right. If people are willing hinder themselves for those thing, you think they re not going knock over whoever they have to get a new generation of technology?

    None of those would lead directly into certain doom as ticking off a race of superior tech would. Think back to when Japan got nuked. They intiatially were like , you cant do it. And got a power demostration to see how wrong they were. The moment they saw that they gave up because they realized there's no way they could continue fighting that.

    In district 9, we have seen their advantages over us. There's no question if they can snuff us out, its a question if they will? Unlike other races they dont live here, and we have no way atm of counter attacking if they hit us first. Kissing their insect butts and working with them to unlock their technology is tactically the only smart thing to do. (possibly backstab them later.) If we figure out how make their ship work, and build one, we can build our own. Humans are too smart and greedy to less a goldmine like that just slip by as this movie displayed.


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    I think very understated things like that in a film show a depth to the writing and directing. That's a far cry from “poorly made, there's nothing to debate.”
    So a single sub plot somehow validates it as good writing? Both Transformers movies had several subplots. I dont see many people considering them a hallmark of writing for it.(hackers, the rangers, S7, all weaved together into the main story and connected at the end to fight off the Decepticon threat in the first film.) District 9 might been founded on a skeleton of good ideas, but it failed take advantage of any of them in a truly meaningful way, I suppose what is so maddening about it.

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    But getting back to the main questions of the original post, maybe it was bad film design but I had the feeling that Blomkamp left a lot of details out because he was planning on a sequel and now that it made about 6 times it's original cost, we may just see one.
    That might very well happen, but as a stand alone film it's a weak entry. if the second movie builds off it into something worth while may be I can forgive it.(and I can have my PM box explode with I told ya so lastjustice.) That at the moment remains to be seen.
  19. The forum is going get rebooted, so I figured I'd actually look back what people replied.

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    Still a bit pretentious to assume that everyone who did enjoy the film had their quality meters broken or those who insist that it is a quality film are, for some reason or another, being deceptive, is it not?

    It's poorly made, there's nothing to debate. Yes you are enjoying crap if you like district 9. Transformers fans can atleast admit that its a loud noisy film. This like the blair witch project. Overhyped when it came out, now everyone says it sucks that the bandwagon is gone. People will look back and go what was I thinking.


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    See, the problem I have with your criticisms of the film is that many of them seemed to be based on the fact that there were a lot of things that went unexplained in the film, and you refer to these things as plot holes, when they aren't; they're just that: unexplained.
    You love poorly explained stuff, hence your love for batman and his awful writing. You seem go with the rule, I like it doesn't matter how braindead it is. I'd be fine with that if you could atleast admit it's braindead.

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    If it wasn't clear as to whether the movie focused on either serious or comedic undertones to someone, then their review should be suspect.
    No stuff was intentionally funny because it was poorly done and awkward. (hence the Bum review even stating the same thing.) The movie is suspect not the review. The review far more intelligent than the material is covering, your cop out fails.

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    Well there's no guarantee that it would respond to the metal detector in the first place, not to mention if the command module had advanced cloaking technology to prevent it from being detected. But alas, if you're hooked on details such as this and allow it to spoil your experience with the film, then there's not much to say.
    Well given the whole freaking world was watching there needed be an explaination for how that just managed slip by. You assume too much or give waay too many free passes to them. I udnerstand there's time constraints and they can't explain everything, but they just out and out failed deliever any logical comebacks for the mountain of stupid they gave us.

    I can only go ok whatever so many times till I hit my limit break (Spiderman 3 came really close pushing me past that point. I still left the movies torn when i was done.) really ticking me off. District 9 blew out that in first 20-30 mins. I just was waiting for it to end because I never walk out of a bad film so if it manages to actually get better I dont ever need rewatch to see what someone was talking about.

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    I think you have to consider the perspective people had on the aliens. It was years and years after they had arrived and they saw the aliens as both something to be exploited and a drain on their society.
    That still doesn't warrent the planet collectively jumping off a cliff. Even at the end of the film they re like, well they might come back and kick our butts. So yeah they screwed up big time, that would have dictated them laying the smack down on whoever was that, and worlds super powers tkaing control of the scene to save us all. No other way would have been acceptable in this era. If it was in the 1800s, then yeah this could have happened, and the rest of the world might never known or cared to have gotten involved. This is the information era, this is imposibility. Allowing bugs to get abused so their bosses kill us all is not an option.

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    I think those who disliked District 9 were upset at being blindsided with a morality tale when they thought they were going to see a bug hunt. Plus everyone talked funny.
    No I was upset because I was told it was good, and it out and out sucked.
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    Originally Posted by MentalMaden View Post
    Ummmm, because people have different tastes? How about that? Heck someone has already said they liked Transformers 2. That right there shows the spectrum of potential taste. You don't like it. Great. Point taken. Overrated? I think not. It's a pretty down the middle movie. People either love it or hate it. You say overrated, I say underrated.
    You can enjoy low quality, but atleast admit it for what it is. (I can enjoy a fast food but I dont claim it's high quality.) No District 9 is horribly overated and highly praised by many critics. (especially around these parts.It really does need be bashed more or the fans here to atleast admit it's weak sauce. thankfully in this thread some have which is refreshing)) The fact it was up for awards is pure outrage. Its like poorly made big mac wrapped in 100 dollar bills almost winning iron chef over real talented chefs. Yeah it's that bad. District 9 is to sci fi what panda express is to chinese food. I've yet to meet a single person in real life who said was good, meh at best.

    I enjoy transformers 2(which I fully admit to be a huge transformer Fanboy making me biased toward my enjoyment of it. I can see how it's not for everyone.), but I never would suggest it's the greatest anything. (besides may be the greatest 2 and half hour commerical heh.) Enjoying something and quality are two very different things.

    In transformers defense, it actually has less stupid plot holes(it has it's share, though half the complaints people have were from not paying attention.) than district 9 and no one claimed it was a smart film, but a high octane action film with giant robots smashing each other. It's insulting people suggest district 9 is an intelligent film. As BBM even said, he turned his brain off for the second half. I suppose may be I could droned out and not overanalyzed it then i might liked it more but The moment you need do that, its not good sci fi. There's nothing thought provoking about that. To quote one of my favorite reviews of this Movie.

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    My logic sensors tell me this would be a hardcore military event led by the superpowers, not a situation run by a half-@$$ed company. The very idea that we would create nothing more than a shanty-town with plywood walls just doesn’t ring true. A ton of critics point to the supposedly deep social commentary on Apartheid and the nature of the human species, but even I am not so cynical as to think this is how things would be handled. If you can’t buy this setup, then the entire movies falls apart.

    Which is exactly what happened to me. The movie seemed not be clear if was trying be serious or funny. And parts were unintentionally funny as the dialogue was more awkward than romance scenes between characters in heroes or the prequels. It had all pieces do something cool, but it never did. That's why it annoys me so much. (like how Frank Miller has the potential write something good and gives us glimpses of that, then drags us right back into the pits.)

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    LJ the pod was never seen taxi-ing people you are either remembering a helicopter going up to the ship OR the shuttle dropping and it was clearly stated as dropping and being lost.
    No, they showed the command module come down, which magically got lost despite the whole damn world is watching. (and I guess no one used metal detectors or looked very hard to miss a 30-50 foot long ship in a shanty town.) Either way you can't think about it too much because nothing holds together in this film. Like everything else it runs on plot convenience.

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    They did lose their drive but it wasn't really their drive to begin with.
    I agree with foamy, as they're supposed be a hive mind like the borg then were disconnected. The majority stumbled around because they had no one directing them toward any specfic goal. They simply existed.

    Which would make you think at some point their bosses would come looking for them. If they found us once, they can find us again. For that reason alone they'd be treated better. They were our first contact, people go thru alot of effort to make good first impressions, especially on an intergalactic scale. (just think how cities jump thru their butts just to host the olympics, you think something as huge as first contact would be so easily dismissed?)

    Ultimately I've enjoy trashing this movie far more than I ever did watching it. I'm just grateful I didnt pay to see it as I originally planned as I would have been really upset then. (my middle brother got a boot leg of it so my lil bro came over and I came to watch it. Which all 3 of us were like WTH was that, as I was just waiting for it to get better ...it never did.)
  21. Rather than simply explode the thread with my usual bit, I'll respond nicely.
    and leave most the hyperboles out even though that is fun to do.

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    I found the movie very good and I liked the "mockumentary" style of it (though it did come off as two different movies at times). I dug the early panic aspects of the movie better than the action set pieces of the final act, but I still enjoyed things exploding. I like Wikus's tranformation, both physically and mentally. Some elements were cliched, but it all came in a slick, sleek package so I can't complain. Definitely interested in the next movie, whether it be a sequel or prequel.
    I dont see how you can like that. It basically threw aside the documentary aspect soon as the director couldn't figure out a good reason why someone would be filming him anymore. (which the simple answer would been, just never included it, or made it a tape of wilkus filming himself to prove his innocence to his wife and people finding it.) I found it jarring and it gave little backstory in the large chunk of time they wasted with it.


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    Was it the fuel that sprayed Wikus and started his transformation or was it part of the defense system for the canister? Why would the fuel do that? Maybe it ties into the bioengineering the aliens seemed found of?
    Some fans speculate that it was some sort of nanomachines in the fluid. Which it detected Wilkus as a defective prawn then and tried rebuild him which why his broken arm was the first part to transform.

    I really wish the movie had included that sort of answer between all useless info it did provide. As that's a cool answer, and I like it as something I hadnt considered. I would found it alot easier to swallow than it's plotdevicium and it doesnt need be explained BS. That is weak. If you ID it as fuel, then you need explain why fuel has some other property besides making stuff run. If you don't want to paint yourself into a corner...dont ID it as fuel. The fake answer the movie gave in the news clip otherwise made more sense than the actual reasoning the movie gave.

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    Did MNU see that sort of chemical before and hence knew what was happening to Wikus or was that based on their own unsuccessful attempts to create a hybrid? They mention that MNU had tried genetic engineering, but it all failed, so I can see how they would know, but it seemed like they knew a lot for being unsuccessful.
    At no point did any one in the MNU seem know anything about the fuel or much of anything for that matter. If they knew the stuff existed they likely would used it on the local humans and just used them to do what they tried to do wilkus. People get violently killed around around there all time, whats a few more missing people to the public. Wilkus was far more high profile, and would been a terrible choice if they were picking.

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    So what was the purpose of the dropship? Did it drop before the mothership was breached or did it drop during the shuttling of Prawns off the ship, in order to "hide?"
    They seem to use it to taxi between the ground and mother ship. As we see it come down in the beginning...then somehow the MNU forgets about for covenience of plot.

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    What was Chris Johnson's role on the mothership? If he had control of the dropship and was able to hide it, he must have been someone important? Or at least smarter than the average Prawn.

    Again wonderful details the story completely left out. I really wish theyd given us more background to the prawns rather than just having everything speculation since they did actually have a character who was intelligent enough to give some info. May be if theres a sequel you'll get the stuff they should have covered the first time.


    I ultimately really disliked this movie. Just felt like some really poor story telling just show how evil people are, when logic would dictate even evil people would have better plans that were more profitable than being mustache twirling ebil the MNU was for sake of the film making humans Aholes. (we are jerks...but we're collectively much smarter than this movie gives us credit for. We don't make it a point to tick off potential guests that might get us nuked into the stone age when whoever they belong to comes looking for them. ) I felt like there was a ton of cool things that could been done instead of what we got. The fact people overrate it just increases my disdain as it was easily one of the worst films of 2009, and things Ive seen in recent history. I'm definitely not the Only one who felt that way either. But the forums around here seem to really like this film for whatever reason. (shrug.)
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    Originally Posted by KaliMagdalene View Post
    ... they lost me as a customer.

    I personally know several other people who have canceled their accounts.

    I know this is anecdotal, but you said any customers.
    It definitely gives me pause to whether I'll continue playing or not. From both do I even want to support a company willing do this sort of thing for the future of gaming could be scarred if this somehow BECOMES A STANDARD. I don't ever want to see that day. Sure I might have paper thin veil atm, but I'm not willing run thru the lions cages with meat covering me just yet.


    And stand point what might happen next to me personally. I've been scammed out of 1000s of dollars online before. I don't need another nightmare like that as I finnally recovered completely from the damage of debt and my credit score. I'd rather done a million different things with that money than let some scum bag have it. Who knows where this rabbit hole of stupidty might go, as it might be safer to just sidestep this all and bail before anything blows up in my face.

    It's a shame as I was having fun and was thinking of focusing on WoW for awhile. This dampers my interest in that and future products. I'm going ultimately wait and see the moment.


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    Originally Posted by JKedan View Post
    Not saying this will or won't kill WoW, but 'what if...'.

    I wonder how Kotick would feel about being remembered as the guy who caused/presided over killing what may be one of the most profitable games created to date.

    I'm sure that would go over really well with the Board of Directors and on his resumé.
    Catalysm somehow seems to be an all the more fitting name of their expansion heh. What they're doing to the game maps them seem to be doing to their community as Kotick is the real Deathwing.


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    Originally Posted by je_saist View Post
    just wondering since I haven't read through all 25 pages, has anybody brought up the Korean Law that might be behind this move?

    http://kotaku.com/5582040/is-korean-...al-name-policy
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    I think that has been brought up, although there's no reason to structure the whole world around it. Starcraft II's pretty strictly divided into regions with no ability to cross over.
    I dont see why they need push one country's rules on the whole system. It's like doing away with sound in movies because a portion of the world is deaf.
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    Originally Posted by KaliMagdalene View Post
    What about safety? I've been internet stalked before. I know other women who have been. There was a post on the Borderhouse by a woman talking about how a guild member actually tracked her down to her dorm to confront her because his sexist comments to her got him banned from raids.

    And yes, as I linked, there are employers who do not want to hire WoW players.
    As someone who's watched people get hounded over their gender and stalked in other games, I can see how this a really bad idea. Some people I know have checkered past, and like drawing as little attention to themselves as they can.


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    Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay View Post
    Why not? X is a variable, and you aren't sure what one likes most. It's almost gender neutral and the most useful. I love CoX.
    I thought if V and H had a child together it would be an X hehe. You being omnisexual it's fitting.

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    Uh, no, the WoW community is not responsible for Blizzard's boneheaded, customer-hostile decisions.
    Agreed..I've agreed with Kali twice in same thread, and don't feel the least compelled to say anything meanspirited.....means someone really screwed up if we're even in agree completely. (there's a few posters around here I rarely agree with.)


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    Originally Posted by RaiderRich2001 View Post
    You must be going to different WoW official forums than what I was going to when I played.

    They're called "WoWtards" for a reason, Kali.
    No matter how stupid some of the forum goers are, that doesn't give them a green light to toss everyone's ID out into the light. There's likely more good people who will suffer than people who actually will stopped from doing harm. The first step to destroying something is to know it exists. Then you can study it , know where it lives...then raze it to the ground. I know how wreck someone if properly motivated(Im pretty lazy) but if someone was as smart as me, but meanspirited...bad stuff can happen. And I'm sure there's far more terrible things to be done that I haven't even considered.

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    Originally Posted by NinjaPirate View Post
    I pointed out that it's astonishingly easy to bluff your way through situations like calling a bank teller or customer service rep to access an account, if you seem to have a ton of the account holder's personal info.

    For a specific example, former governer Sarah Palin's personal e-mail account was hacked this way, the hackers just scrounged up enough 'personal info', via just normal Googling around, to bluff their way past Customer Service.

    Do people need to secure their info better, in general? Yes.

    However, that job isn't being made any easier by Blizzard forcibly requiring real names.

    The contention is that Blizzard is making things worse.

    Even the security aspect aside, folks should be able to just say they don't want their real names exposed, if nothing else for personal privacy.

    Global Handles would accomplish the anti-trolling effects without compromising the other stuff.



    -np
    I never got why Blizzard couldn't just copied the CoX Global system since they're so good at copying everything else. I wasn't crazy about them making my global my email which is now my account sign in. I'd rather they made a global handle like here so I dont have be as considered who I globally friend and who I don't.

    Ultimately I'll wait and see if they actually go thru with it before I bother caring.(I see that poor mod being harressed to no end as something to show it's not a great idea.) I have a fairly common first name...Michael, which I even have listed here if someone checked my profile. My last name however only 1 other person in the US shares the same first last combo, and he's my cousin. (whom I never talk to but ironically have tons in common with based off his myspace page. We have different middle names atleast.)

    I drop my full name from time to time, as people know who I am. I tend use the handle Lastjustice everywhere(which my last name kind of lame so I'd rather go by Lastjustice online or my alias Michael Ericson the character Lastjustice's real name which I considered legally changing my name to.), so if someone really wanted to figure it all out I'm sure they could. I just dont see this as a good idea being forced upon a player. If they want their info out there, it's up to them. I just don't see how this could ever be considered a good idea.
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    All of Dragonball Z's Sayans are heavy-worlders and, with the exception of the comically short Vegeta, they're all pretty much the tallest people around. This, as best as I can understand it, is because they train to be so tough they can basically ignore the stress caused by gravity, rather than adapting to mitigate it.
    Goku is 5'7" and Vegeta is 5'2". None of the sayians are that tall besides their really big hair. Not sure where you get this idea from. Like other posters said, higher gravity would result in a shorter being and if anything DBZ only reinforces that.



    Given that comics and video games are fantasy, most people put an ideal self, or what would be ideal to be or "super", hence so many male super heroes are 6' or taller. (usually 6'2") But in this game, you see so many taller people, you're actually average sized then heh.

    I personally have modeled many of my characters off of real people, so their heights tend to reflect more realistic heights.(like Aftermath is 5'11" after my younger bro, Headgames is 4'8" after my older sister.) This includes my main Lastjustice, which I aimed use my actual height of 5'4", making him rather short among heroes. I always felt I was badass enough hold my own, in a world of super powers I dont see why I wouldn't be there too.

    Even when I'd make tough girls, I'd usually make them around 6'2-6'6". My Tanker Earthrage is about 6'4" (without granite of course.) They seemed big enough, but that's from the point of view of someone shorter. I suppose I should let my girlfriend make a character one of these days to see what she makes since she's 6'4".

    Two my friends I played with are both over 6 foot in real life. Lady Zealot was always really prone to making massive amazon characters since she always was taller than people in real life(like 6'3"), it felt natural be that way in game to her. So she'd always max out the slider. (my other friend was same way, only she insisted the chest slider didn't go far enough to suit what she wanted to model after herself.)

    Which oddly people in game would comment on it, be like gee you're tall. Was like the way she carried herself in game somehow effected people similarly to how people react to her in real life. It's definitely strange but amusing to watch how people would react with her.