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You want to call people trolls but you've been more aggressive than anyone else in the thread. You're the one going off topic as what did your commentary have to do with Scott Pilgrim? Absolutely nothing. I don't care if you don't like what I have say. Either lay off the BS or atleast come up with some better comebacks. I can forgive people laying into me if they re atleast cleaver or making points that have something to do with said topic. You just all around fail.

No one disagreeing with that that author's get to make whatever setting and point they want. You just seem be giving people the permission to suck and completely gloss over everything. That's where I disagree.

This movie was a love story with no actually love scenes building up a relationship. You can say the director has right to ignore that because he's the director...but thats an excuse for bad writing/directing in this particular example. You really need to include something to give the audience some bearing to why what is happening on screen is happening. The movie was originally written to where Scott actually gets the other girl. The ending only thnig that doesn't fit with that as the rest of the script reflects the original choice. This hurt the film. (something you missed in your silly off topic tirade since you dont get the fact you don't know what you're talking about and insist your point matters here.)

Well if you want to pull technicalities on, this then oh lets play that game. Then we're going solely off the info of the second movie, then you don't know the there was a big fight at the end to cover up in the first movie in the first place(you have completely no context to assume anything really at that point.), so it's still not a plot hole then. If you do know about all the details of the first movie then you can understand how it could have functioned. It works either way unless you re not paying attention.

No how about you actually read my post instead of digging a deeper hole. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HECK YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT!...period. None of your facts however sound change this or make you any less off topic. Stop talking out of your behind and making sweeping overgeneralizations like you're freaking John Madden. (if you keep scoring more points you'll beat the other team.) Ironik made a serious and relevant point. Something you haven't done all thread. You turn around and undermind that by tossing out some meaningless observation that had nothing to do with the discussion. You want to be a know it all actually know what the heck you re talking about a contribute something that is on topic. Or at very least makes a metaphor for something relevant to the topic. You've done none of the above and more than likely will probably continue doing so.

Clearly you don't if you're going reply with such vanilla comebacks. I demand a better class of villain heh.

Actually the irony is you have. Rather than go and drag out last 2-3 years of posting history to support my point fully I'm going pass since it's likely drag this thread waaay off topic.

Actually if you read my responses to said plot holes most of the ones people say are bunk. I shot down most of them as the audience not paying attention. Such as "How did the first movie get covered up?" There was global communication blackout in the first movie of unknown length, an army of soldiers, and the transformers weren't in robot mode all that long and the battle was fairly brief among other factors. It didn't just get swept under the rug solely because the movie said so.

Well how the whole army base getting flatten and the global blackout were handled is probably a better question which I'd imagine was chalked up as terrorists of some sort along with the attack in Mission city. (Faux La.) As much as people love bash those films around here there's alot more attention to detail than given credit but most people too busy hating it to notice.

Stuff wasn't glossed over nearly as much and there's also comics and existing material to fill in most of the blanks. There's alot of understoods for the franchise that were established. Somethings just require a rule of cool outlook or it just will always fall flat. (Such as lightsabers.)

I'm fine with movies being a turn your brain off to a degree.But then don't turn around and tell me it's smart film when it requires that to work. I'm not contradicting myself as you claim. It's simple, you want to be a big dumb loud movie, then be it. You want to be a smart film then be it. This halfass attempt that fails at both don't work with me.

Yes it is a fact that writers get to make whatever point they feel like.(and you'e still talking out of your rear since you missed Ironik's initial point BECAUSE you have not see the film and trying make a point that no one else asked because.. you tell me since it was pointless to bring up in the first place.) But (Wait for it.) good writing actually support it's points that are relevant and tries make a cohesive and coherent world. The setting can be fantastic but the people need to feel real for the points to be made or it all just falls flat. Any monkey can crowbar any random detail into a story for sake of a writer feeling it needs be there whether it actually makes a story better or not. That's lousy writing. Something you can't seem to get between all your overgeneralizations.

I don't think anyone is suggest every story needs be pages or scenes and scenes of geography porn that lord of the rings is to give us a world and setting that works. Rather we need to see why chaarcters feel way they do or if something radically out of the norm of the setting takes place in the story...it needs be explained why to some degree. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

I didn't see it, but the trailer gave me no incentive to. Like oh yes let's watch Michael Cera be awkward. I'll pass as it was fine in superbad, but he was part of a larger cast and there was enough stuff they to keep it going. He works in that sort of setting as the straight man to all other characters. He was meh in Scott Pilgrim.

Given we were seeing the movie from his point of view it made sense for that information to be left out.(or why the monster attacks in Cloverfield, or why the characters are stuck in the cube because they re all told from a limited point of view and all relevant info from those point of view is filled in.) If we saw this super natural being going well Phill if you just would been alitle nicer I would let you go to the next day , similiarly how we see Bruce interact with God in Bruce Almighty then it would totally changed the story. Given it's always from Phill's view and he never gets that info then neither do we. (and that info wasn't the point of the movie.)

I am beginning to think you're incapable of critical thinking. You seem always make gross over generalizations as a defense for anything. Once it's fiction you seem think that the writers or directors can just cash this blank check for everything and it just gets a pass regardless how jarring said details are to have missing.

Movies are like the Matrix, it has feel real and geniune enough to keep our attention. It doesnt we keep waking up from it. Leaving too many details out without support basically does that. While people don't have time to explain everything(you only get so much time to infodump before your audiences attention span expires.), you do need to atleast put enough skeleton to the story to get people up to speed to fill in the blanks.

Yes you can deconstruct anything to point it doesn't work, but there's a happy balance between making everything air tight and writing everything like it's loony tunes where the improbable happen all time and it's never explained because it's an understood that that world functions on that. You can't just give free passes to every plot holes solely on the basis it's fiction.(as you all too often do foamy.)

In case of Scott Pilgrim (which again makes all more assinine you're making one of your cliched overgeneralizations defenses about a movie you didn't even see.) the director needs show why Scott is in love with a girl he just met instead of a girl he was dating who he has real chemistry with since HE'S FIGHTING TO THE DEATH FOR HER. That's kind of important. Otherwise its because they said so and nothing more. People feel nothing and dislike movies telling not showing.

As I said before the movie doesn't give us any real indication why or let the audience know that it's supposed be a giant video game. (which not everyone plays tons of video games.) These are thing that the audience kind of needs to know and understand to enjoy the film. Not everyone is going be bought on flash alone. The fighting was good..but that doesn't make a movie...atleast not this one. This really is another Speed racer in that regard.

Yeah the movie seemed to left alot of info to be taken for granted. I can agree with your assessment as an outsider to the whole experience. The movie never really points out that it's treating life like a giant video game. Which is the reason why everything plays out the way it does. Beating up waves of goons to rescue your girlfriend was the plot of tons of NES games. With that detail being left out of the mix I can see alot of people not getting it. It's just this understood to the story that I only had because people on the forums mentioned it when the initial buzz about it all was starting as people asked why do the Evil Exs have super powers or Scott for that matter?

So things are metaphors of video games concepts super imposed to the dating world. It's an amusing concept but the first hour of the movie brutally drags. The movie doesn't reach it's hook till somewhere between the 45 min to hour mark when Matt Patell makes his entrance which really hurt the film. I knew there would be some set up but literally everything in the first hour could been condescended into first 20 mins. Rest was the movie meandering in it's own geekiness and thinking that was enough to win us over. It wasn't.

I had a simliar complaint. At no point would you ever see why Ramona would want to be with Scott besides beating up her ex's.(I hate myself for using this analogy, but Scott Pilgrim is like Bella from twilight.*rips off the corner of his mancard.*) You find it hard to believe he's gotten with all women the movie claims as it goes so far to show what a massive loser he is. He has nothing of substance to him and he's incredibly awkward and clueless with girls as all Cera's characters seem to be.

Granted Ramona comes across as a fast woman(as she almost sleeps with him on the first date.) and bit of a B-witch based off her history with men. (G-man was probably the guy she really deserved as she made the evil exs.) You can understand easily why he'd want to date her initially but once Scott sees her baggage it's a wonder why he'd continue or be in love with a girl he barely knows besides the whole love at first sight/destiny crap. Their relationship ultimately just feels forced compared to Knives who I've seen play out simliarly in real life tons of times, as their interactions felt much more natural. Everything just ends up being this blank check the movie cashes because it says so.

I don't hate him, but he just can't carry a movie himself. His performance was flatter than a week old soda. All secondary characters were for most part more entertaining than the leads were. Wallace was awesome, as he's by far the coolest gay character ever.





Sure super heroes and comics have found their way into pop culture. Just there's the huge difference they've been distilled thru hollywood's lens and most of the hard edges sanded off for main stream audiences. (There's plenty of characters with needlessly complicated backstories that would never fly in a movie.)Why those properties actually enjoy success besides just being good movies. This movie didn't as it was pure undistill geekdom and it's no shocker people are turning their noses up at it. The world just isn't ready for it.

As my friend said, who hell knows what Scott Pilgrim is? He didn't and I didn't prior to looking up more about it. I knew it was a graphic novel, but not much else. It's an incredibly niche audience. I can see how this could be a cult hit, but it's something that likely won't fly with the mainstream audience as it's like a giant inside joke that they just won't get or appreciate. (Such as my girlfriend whom I took with didn't get most of the gaming references, and found the movie equally average as I did.) An average film with a niche audience and an above average budget.....that just a recipe to lose money.

Yeah that's what your praetorian self said about it too; The Confusing Coffee Man.

Yeah I wondered that as at some point our tech will rival that of ironman and eventually surpass it. Who will be our super heroes then when anyone can be super man?

I picture some character becoming period pieces. (such as Clark Kent having a job at a paper.) Things that made sense at the time they were conceived probably won't make sense the further things go. I just picture them making the events of the comics forever locked in the 20th century as medevil fantasy is always the way it is.

I'd agree I'm not part of his audience. Basically everyone in his comments is like preach on distressed preach on! They all want to be a bastion of hate together that's their business. I didn't feel being dragged down into the muck with him and his cronies trying argue with them as I started type out a response(and if you know me I love to type out long responses.) but ultimately felt the best way show him what for was to ignore him altogether. People like that are just bad for the soul to deal with.

Spoony is a completely different animal than this guy. (whether hes better than any other internet personality is debateable but he has far more charmisa than DW does.)There's a line in the sand he doesn't make it a point to cross so regularly you get the impression he's just here to abuse his audience or geniunely thinks he's better than everyone.(which he makes it a point to state he apreciate people who are watching.)

The majority of distressed watchers stuff is just so negative, he isn't actting or over actting. He just comes across as that bitter of a person at times. There's never any jokes about his overreactions, its just F this or F you...thats just someone being a spazz on camera.(plus the fact his delievery is too poor to look like someone actting.) He has no charmisa or doesn't claim the distressed watcher is just an act like AVGN does as we see James roth just talk and again he doesnt say all people who like something are the scum of the earth even when he is in character.(and what he does insult is in such a over the top silly way no one would take offense to it particularly.)


Ultimately he just rubs me the wrong way. It's not like he's just saying overly offensive stuff purely for shock value like say Yahtzee does. It's just looks like standard process for distressed watcher. (if I wanted view something that talks down to my audience I'd read something by Mark Millar.) He's just not a likeable person to watch so I dont. It's just that simple.

No this the second time he's done it. He didn't have any haha I'm just kidding or trying back peddle when he did it the first time. (the second time he tried down play being a total tool about it.) Just watch This. Between him and Movie bob basically both insulting everyone who happened like the expendables and transformers like really you guys want to drive off potential fans that badly?

I dont mind people disliking something...especially if they manage to make an intelligent point to why (such as Natedog on youtube does when he bashes transformers..I actually learned something from his rant I wouldn't have otherwise known.) These guys just spewed nothing but vemon toward what they re talking about. If you regoing basically sound like a rabid 5 year old make it a whole min or less. No one needs sit thru more than that waiting see if you actually have a greater point.

It's not like Distressed watcher cant make an amusing vid as I liked his disassemblimg of signs. He wasn't insulting anyone for liking it, simply stated what quirks made really no sense.(Linkara rips stuff a new one all time without insulting any fans of stuff.) Unfornately other stuff he's done proved to be a waste of time. I try avoid watching him since I dont feel he deserves any of my views till he matures as an internet reviewer.

Cool I'll bring a copy of witchblade for you to sign.

Somehow that still doesn't mean people should be rounded up in internment camps for liking as he suggested. Like Chris said...he wanted to see Piranha 3-D. Somehow I doubt that was a better movie than Revenge of the Fallen.

Distressed Watcher can not seem go too many vids without insulting the human race. Being such a joyless individual who seems hate everything makes it really hard put much stock in his stance. It's one thing to nerdrage it up, It's really hard to get fans when you're taking such sweeping over generalizes on the public all the time. There's movie I didn't like the public did.(which i nerdrage over plenty.) I'm not going suggest the world needs reeducation because of it. He crosses that line all too often.

With his M.O. being have you help Scott defeat the evil Exs to get him out of his apartment hehe.

Yeah because hatred of Shia Lebeouf has totally stopped the Transformers series from making money. (or all other block busters he's been in..) There was definitely something wrong in how this all went down, and probably an important lesson to be learned for the future to avoid repeating this sort of loss, but pinning all blame purely on Cera isn't it. (though as distress watcher did make as a valid point he probably won't see too many big budget lead roles for a good long time for this box office bust.)

That's how I roll too. I dont need a billion apps on my phone. I just can use my computer if I really want to search the web.

Why is it my geek card is suddenly in question if I haven't seen this movie? (I saw it and got all references and still found it delightfully average.) Internet reviewers seem be trying really hard to champion this film. To point they suggest we're a bunch of sheep for it doing poorly or stupid as distressed watcher does. (which he pretty much said people should be send to internment camps for liking transformers...so screw that guy. )

Moviebob (which again he insults the public for not liking what he does in his revenge of the fallen and the expendables review.) whines about people rather wanting see the expendables over Scott Pilgrim. Because the public doesn't have the point of view or tastes they're all suddenly idiots? No, because main people have different sensiblities than what geekdom does. People go for alot of different reasons....and whether people really want to be honest with themselves or not; this movie is incredibly niche.

The internet geeks need face the fact...they are the target audience for most part. They get all inside jokes of it all. This was for them, but they are too small of a group of people for this to ever be profitable. Which just including a bunch of fanwank doesn't make a movie good. I don't feel like this movie earns the rallying it's getting online. I feel like these's something bigger going on here instead.

This isn't Scott Pilgrim vs the world....it's Geekdom vs the world...and it's getting it's butt handed to it by the big dumb jocks of the world all over again in a metaphoric sense with the Expendables. That seems to be the notion behind all the butt hurt.(for some, I won't go and make a sweeping overgeneralization as I'm sure people who liked it just simply would liked to seen something they liked do better.) Between all surge in popularity of geek culture some of us are getting the cold reality check the world still doesn't belong to us.

Sure super heroes and comics have found their way into pop culture. Just there's the huge difference they've been distilled thru hollywood's lens and most of the hard edges sanded off for main stream audiences. (There's plenty of characters with needlessly complicatedd backstories that would never fly in a movie.)Why those properties actually enjoy success besides just being good movies. This movie didn't as it was pure undistill geekdom and it's no shocker people are turning their noses up at it. The world just isn't ready for it.

Ultimately I feel like people are fighting for what this represents than what it really is. Is there really anything in this movie hasn't been done or done better somewhere else? No. Like I said this movie really a C- to the general public and just won't fly with them. It plays out like a giant inside joke they aren't going get. All character development is glossed over, the pacing is disjointed (angry joe gave it 9/10 and still even was honest enough say the beginning was crap.), and the beginning sucked hard. A movie can't be great and have an awful start. Again just seems like internet reviewers just really want to see this win too badly. (or are getting paid.)

With the way people are fanboying it up like the distressed watcher....I can't actually help but take some enjoyment in this movie flopping.(like the universe is crushing fanboys for me.) If I had to see people raving like the Dark Knight all over again (which the Dark knight atleast had alittle more to it.) over this film...I might have lost it.(and I don't think Mod 8 could handled another film on my s**t list.) It had some redeemable parts...but lets not go crazy people. This is no Star wars , or something other geekdom movie that morphs our very essense at the core like a religious awakening. This was just another film, and completely forgettable outside of it's stylizing in video games.This movie is getting the box office it deserves...not the box office it needed hehe.

Both him and Batman both enjoy squirrel girl levels of plot armor and convenience. These characters really need smart writers to shine...unfortunately more often than not they just get alot of silly cop outs (which they both act like D-bags like they re somehow better than people with super powers like having them is a handicap.) Joker is so crazy it's a super power....batman time to plan is so uber it's a super power.....and having super powers would slow him down...bleh DC quit making both these characters mary sues.

They have legit or semi legit business fronts that they get money from. The Crimson twins have their own business you see them running in plenty of episodes. There's likely some people who support Cobra just to have them screw with the US. And from time to time, they have schemes that actually work and make money.

Not really. Septhiroth didn't even get the item himself. The good guys would have defeated him by DOING NOTHING. If Cloud and his friends all sat at home...he would have lost. The only reason he got the black Materia was because Cloud brought it to him like a dumb-***. It was actually safe right where it was. It was in a booty trap that not even Septiroth could have gotten past without alot of help. (his clones were too stupid to gained the Black Materia for him.) I mean if he could have retrieved it himself he would have and not have bothered with Cloud at all.

Kefka and the Gang would have taken down the Espers with or without the help heroes presence. The Espers were easily tricked and weren't too hard to defeat. The heroes just made it easier. Kefka was more than willing get his hands dirty, and go into the trenches to get what he wanted. He happened be in the right place at the right time or his liege would remained on top. Otherwise Kefka was pretty good at planning , and did actually ravage the planet while Sepiroth barely did anything.

He killed some scrubs, but even the weapons didn't cause that much damage that he unleashed. Shinra managed to repel their attacks without the heroes help. Hoenstly FF7 should just picked one villain rather than splitting the plot between Shinra and Sepiroth but the game was collective plot was like 3 stories ran thru a meat grinder and made into a sausage. It was all over the place, so it's no wonder why Sepiroth was just kind of there. Kuja was the villain Sepiroth should have been.

Granted Ultimecia of FF 8 was the lamest of all villains of the series. Again she only had a chance because the good guys let her win. (even more so than Sepiroth.)

I can enjoy a lousy film like Wing commander and reign of fire when I can spend the next hour or two mocking it with my friends afterwards. It's a way to salvage what otherwise would been a bad night.


I can handle a long film. (I enjoy watching both transformers films and both have run times over 2 hours.) I had a problem with the pacing , not the length. They offered very little stuff of interest for first hour. I'd forgiven it if they actually revealed things of more depth. They didn't as everything was glossed over and it went thru the motions. It gave very little humour I could even chuckle at. It just dragged. What happened in the first hour that couldn't have been summed up in 20 mins?

They needed either add more depth or cut down. Where they left it just didn't work. I didn't have anything to fill in the blanks. (like say when I watched Watchmen I could fill in blanks for where the movie dropped the ball.) I lacked any backstory beyond the trailer.

I will as the movie by no means left a bad taste in my mouth. I just felt like it could have been better. I suspect I might find the movie a bit more enjoyable if I read it.

I meant more for there wasn't any real validation for Ramona really caring too much about Scott or Scott being in love with her. It just was because the movie says so as you never real feel anything between them unlike Knives who they felt like they belonged together.

I was fine with him redeeming himself as he clearly needed to.

It would felt more natural as at the end I almost thought for a second Scott was going pick her over Ramona. (Of course seemed unlikely due to whole "destiny" painted upon Ramona and the books from what I've heard all have them together so would been harder do a sequel with this huge change in the line up.)

You're new around these parts...clearly. I love smacking down fanboys/girls. (start a batman thread and watch the magic.) I've kept from nerdraging outof control since this movie actually has plenty of redeeming values..just the parts I didn't like I really didn't like. This definitely a film I could make a fan edit of and like 10 times better.



Yeah well that is being a fanboy. I dont mind Cera , as I found him fine in super bad.(I could relate to his character as I was that big of a noob in high school with girls.) I just found him meh in scott Pilgrim. Nothing to hate but nothing to really get excited over. I can see his constant hipster roles grinding people's gears. (Put a can of PBR in his hands and a dozen frat boys would descend on him like ninjas to haze him as he'd be the epitome of what they pick on.)