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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cynical_Gamer View Post
    Doesn't count since it was continuation rather than an adaptation. Unlike the recent live-action abominations.
    No it's an offender of almost everything he said actually. It sure as heck counts.

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    Plots that are changed or don't make sense from what was originally written.
    They altered the movie so the usual main heroes and villains no longer were the main attraction. Purely to sell more toys of charcters most of us didn't give a crap about. (atleast initially.) They tossed in a bunch of oddly placed music scenes that didn't really age well and offed characters in a series that never killed any prior. They tried too hard to mimic star wars in alot of ways, even right down to the cast. It was too dark for lil ones and too cheesy and shallow most for adults. Was probably more niche than Scott Pilgrim since the only people who probably liked it alot were fans of the show at the right age; Why it horribly bombed. I mean who wants be in a theather of crying children?

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    Beloved characters that are dropped, or changed drastically so they are no longer recognizable.New "important" characters added that never existed in the original story.
    Tons of old characters were murdered in the first 20 mins. Iconic characters were speed bumps for profit and we were given a bunch of new guys we were just expected to root for because the story told us too. They never existed prior to the movie.

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    Important things that were in the original work that never make it into the movie for various reasons.
    They just kind of randomly bounced between planets without any particular direction. The series went against it's initial concept of robots in disguise and was just giant robots fighting in space as you couldn't tell what half the new characters turned into or wouldn't be able to hide them in plain sight.

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    Actors that are totally inappropriate for the part get cast for parts because their names will draw in people at the box office.
    They tossed a bunch of different actors who did the 86 film that didn't really fit. Like Spock doing Galvatron just doesn't work for me. Then they dropped all of them soon as the movie ended.

    See everything he said easily fit into that movie as well. The new films commited no sins that weren't done before. Transformers changes every so often period as it's reinvented itself more times than Madonna. Anyone who think oh my childhood just isn't paying attention to what's gone on since G1 to the present. (beast wars /machine, Robot in disguise , Unicron Trilogy, animated, the live action movies, and Transformer:Prime coming out soon.) You don't like the current batch just wait till the season changes.
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    Plots that are changed or don't make sense from what was originally written.
    Beloved characters that are dropped, or changed drastically so they are no longer recognizable.
    New "important" characters added that never existed in the original story.
    Important things that were in the original work that never make it into the movie for various reasons.
    Actors that are totally inappropriate for the part get cast for parts because their names will draw in people at the box office.
    Yeah I hated when they did that to Transformers back in 1986 too.
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    Originally Posted by Manofmanychars View Post
    While I could easily list all of the JRPGs that defy your claims (in a PM, naturally, since public discussion of specific games is forbidden), I agree that the linked article is beyond stupid. "A couple new characters" means entire new forms of gameplay in fighting games, where the actual football players on your roster don't seem to have a huge effect on the game, as they're all basically all the same guy with different skins on top.
    I'm sure there's exceptions to every rule; Not the point I was trying make though. Otherwise I agree your assessment as well.
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    A lawyer would only want to be able to collect his fee. He would not have your best interests at heart.
    Sure he/she would if I turn into stone or an animal they don't get paid. If I can successfully wish for everything I want they get their cut. (power cosmic baby..I don't need 3 wishes then hehe. )

    As far as powers go that I wouldn't want to have. I wouldn't want super hearing to the degree super man has. Even if loud sounds didn't hurt your ears like Daredevil, just constantly hearing everything going on around you would drive you nuts. Every bad thing that takes place is always in ear shot, and you can't do much about it.

    Cosmic awareness without all rest of power cosmic is in the same boat.I think it ultimately would be much more rewarding once you learned to control it since unlike super hearing it has an off and on switch. Just all the info coming in could easily crash your brain as it's all too much. It's not on the absolutely no side like super hearing but it's a risky power to have since not everyone can handle it. (it caused Genis to snap.)
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    Originally Posted by Dark One View Post
    I do agree with some of his points. Take DOA4 for example. What actual storyline is there? There's some incomprehenisble quick cutscenes between a few of the fights, but it basically amounts to nothing more than win <x> amount of times. If you don't win, hit Continue till you do. Though one even more incomprehensible is BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger. My word, I don't think I've ever encountered a game with a more incomprehensible storyline.
    Sure there's plenty of fighting games who's stories are nothing more than a bunch of characters from around the world having a giant **** measuring contest for whatever personal reasons.(that's like 90% of them which this tourney will some how decide the fate of the world...like being the best fighting is how people get elected or something.) Street fighter has gotten mindblowingly stupid infact as it's story is best ignored.

    But many types of games can be thrown under the bus for having paper thin or little to no story. Megaman for most of the original series was Doctor wily (or someone fronting for him.) has created 8 robot masters...blow em up. Beat em up were usually someone got kidnapped and rather than call the police(because the justice system gotten so bad that it's no logner an option.) lets go take justice into our own hands and pile driver every hapless idiot that walks up to you. (which I wish more of life's problem could be solved that way.)

    Most Jrpgs are so cliched that there's an entire page outlining them all. Basically some 12-15 year old boy needs chase after some girl he just met and kill monsters which will somehow lead to him saving the whole planet. (thank goodness for teenager hormones being the catalyst for saving planets.) Most genres have a mountain of games with the same formula for stories. Fighting games really aren't any worse offenders than the rest.(which if I had say the two best story lines of fighting games I'd say Mortal Kombat and Soul calibur ..atleast till recently in 4 were among the two best.)

    I think gaming really needs work on being more than a thinly veiled excuse for people to beat up or shoot stuff. That's really the whole gaming culture as a whole not just fighting games.
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    Unlike other video game genres that are constantly evolving and changing
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    AHA HA HA HA HA!

    Oh god... I needed a good laugh.
    Yeah I thought this was singlehandedly the stupidest statement of everything he posted. What because it hasn't because yet another genre watered down into an open sandbox game it hasn't changed? Sorry fighting games have as much forward movement as any other genre in gaming. Tell me what has greatly evolved in the last 10 years? All his examples of progress are bulk. (fighting games can be played online just like FPS can.)

    If anyone can defeat you by spamming the same attack over and over;News flash unless the game doesn't allow you to counter it(like the horribly defective Justice league fighting game on genesis and Snes wouldn't let you block a sweep after blocking a jump kick. It was a terrible game.), then you horribly suck at fighting games. I get if it's a move you haven't seen before you'll have no idea how to counter or block it. (hence why takes skill and it's good to fight a variety of people to learn new tricks and tactics.) But at some point you need figure it out or it's your fault for being dumb enough to let them win by using the same attacks over and over.

    Any game that's worth a crap will allow you some way to punish anyone who doesn't have a deeper bag of tricks. Same with button mashers, they might surprise a person and steal a round or two but once the player adjusts for the fact the person they are fighting has no clue what they're doing they will manhandle them.

    He mentions things being repetitive, but what genre isn't? How is any sports game any less repetitive than fighting games? MMO's is nothing but constantly repeatedly the same basic concepts of healing/tanking/or dpsing all way to the lvl cap and best gear. FPS are just mowing down people over and over. If you don't like repetitive thnigs, video games aren't for you. Since the bulk of the time they take the same concept and steadily up the ante every level till end of the game.

    This like me posting an article why wine tasting sucks despite never actually partaking in it just because I don't like wine. Stamp this guy Noobtard on his forehead. He doesn't deserve anyone's attention.
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    What would be the correct way to word the wish?
    Very carefully. I'd consult a lawyer before making any wishes with a genie or Calypso from Twisted Metal.
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    Originally Posted by Failure to Sense View Post
    As much as I love the My Way parody on him, I think being the Juggernaut would be the worst. If he cannot be stopped once he starts moving, what happens when he trips?
    It's only by choice. If he wills to go in that direction then he does due to his reality warping powers.(whether it's thru air or space.) Not that someone can't use his momentum against him as World War Hulk sidesteps him and causes him to fly forward at high speed when he shoves him from behind. (if you're unstoppable...Then keep going!) Cain can stop but due to the timing of him trying charge the hulk and his extreme lvl of strength he could use it against him. Cain can stop himself once he realized what happened, but he probably was a good distance away by the time he did.

    If he gets sent too far away he can always contact cyttorak to teleport him back. (It's always been implied Cain has the power do more than he does he just doesn't due to his own ignorance and he's lazy.)

    Aside from being like 10 feet tall and weighting 900 lbs that's really the only down side to having Juggernaut's powers. I just imagine you accidentally break alot of stuff as the one guy did in the one episode of Xmen the animated series when he stole Cain's powers with the Ruby of Cyttorak.
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang View Post
    And a more faithful LOTR trilogy would have sucked balls.
    The too faithful for it's own good edition of Lord of the rings. Now with an extra 5 hours of footage...all of the local wildlife and terrain in up close detail.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cowman View Post
    Actually, that's EXACTLY what I want.
    They already have one, it's called inviting me to your team heh.

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    So in the grand scheme of things, what I learned is, if you didn't have a feature at launch, you might as well never have it. Whatever you're going to have at launch defines you as a game."
    I actually particularly agree with this sentiment. If a game doesn't have it's hook at launch it's probably going to fail. Obviously you can't fit everything, but the thing that will get people in the door and sticking around for awhile needs be there from day 1. Whatever that might be.

    in the case of PVP in CoX, it was an after thought. The game wasn't based around it and it painfully showed when the arena arrived.(being a defender fighting perma 9th tier melee characters was not fun.) It basically was there for a novelty and had it never been added it probably wouldn't have made or broke the deal for most players. I'm glad it's there for the people who enjoy it of course, but the majority largely ignore it. It was never the hook for this game.

    I've played other games where it was the hook, and was created as an intergral part of the game. All classes are geared with it in mind then. It's a very different experience. Not say balance has ever been realized in a MMO, as the balance of power shifted often with nerfing and buffing of sets. It was by far the best PVP experience of all games I've played because it was meant for it.

    Now with all that said, Jack had some odd ideas and often forced his point of view on players without really listening to. Most the intial sets had powers with excessive drawbacks or were so situational they got replaced. (like the original telekinetics made a team mate fly.) He did ultimately lay the ground work for this game and I respect that. I also know It's better off without him. He's good at intial concepts but the finer details seem better left to others.
  11. Whether he did or didn't do it on purpose I'm not going debate since I didn't see it, or know the lay out of the accident. Plus I'm not big on speaking ill of the dead. It's a lousy thing to have happened regardless of how they reached the outcome they did. She can take solace in the fact her husband died protecting her and I'm not about to shake that tree. You don't get alot of time to react and I'm sure he'd wanted this outcome over his wife and child dying in his place.(I know I would if I were in his place.) In that memory we live on, as life continues for those to honor him.
  12. The animated seizure you mean? (falls on the floor and starts twitching.)
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    Originally Posted by Rabid_Metroid View Post
    Invent a device that figures out what your last device was and maps out how it works and why.
    I can just imagine all the needlessly specialized devices people would make if they lacked imagination. Granted all the offensive and scary things they would make if they did have it and no morales is worse heh.
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    Michael Cera, however, desperately needs to reaffirm his box office credibility.
    Yeah he needs take on a couple safe projects to give himself some credit with the execs. I don't see too many people willing bank on him as a leading man after this for awhile. I'm guessing he probably can still get work in some larger cast as a supporting actor though. His career is far from over all things concerned...atm anyways.
  15. Hopefully he's dancing with some deceased football players on the other side then.
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    Originally Posted by ChrisMoses View Post
    I had changed it already...

    Unfortunately. The yeti should not be tamed so easily.
    Thank you for changing it in anycase.

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    Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan View Post
    And I doubt very much that making the movie more "broad" (explaining why Scott Pilgrim fights like he is in a video game, etc.) would have made the movie a more significant amount of money. It was a niche project that the studio hoped would ignite the geeky fanbase and appeal to a wider audience through, I guess, sheer enthusiasm of that original geeky fanbase and good reviews. Like Serenity. It was a niche movie given X amount of money to be made to both fill that niche (so it can't deviate significantly from the source material) and to, somehow, get more mainstream appeal. And as we have seen with both this movie and Serenity and to a lesser extent Kick-*** and Watchmen, you can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try.
    As my friend said, (which others have said about The watchmen) Scott Pilgrim probably would done better as a Mini series than a full length film. I agree you can't do it both ways most times. I'm sure was some way of getting more money out of this...but that probably won't be the lesson taken as someone will be burnt by this ordeal.
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    Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang View Post
    Anime isn't ruining comic books.

    Joe Quesada is.
    Finally you say something I can get behind and fully agree with heh. I think He's killed more super heroes than Super boy/manchild Prime.
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    By ninja pirate
    What you say is completely, utterly true.

    It also happens to be completely, utterly irrelevant.

    We're not talking in some abstract philosophical terms. We're talking about what you as a writer need to do to engage your audience. You need to get your audience to connect with your story. They need to know "why?", and in story terms, not in abstract writing terms.

    Of course everything in a story happens because the writer wanted it that way. Duh.

    You might as well proclaim the sky is blue or that water is wet.
    *watches Foamy explode into coins as NP drop kicks him from the shadows*

    Ninja pirate said exactly what I said.(Which if we had rep I'd throw some your way.) You are injecting this broad vague statement when people are having a critical discussion of details which you know nothing about first hand yet you carry on to despite you don't know what you're talking about. Which you don't simply and quietly bow out of till you have better info.(like batman you gotta have enough time to plan, you come back with all right tools to win..instead of being one. You should know that as knowing is half the battle heh. Even I have the decency to see the movie I am nerdraging up threads about.)


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    By CaptainFoamforbrains
    I'll just repost a couple of select quotes to save us time
    Or save even more time and not post anything till you've got a relevant point to the thread. (as you'll see below.as I actually will talk about said movie.)
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    By Ninjapirate
    If you don't have enough background info to understand what the hell is going on, how can you have any sort of substantial critical discussion of the movie?
    Or if you haven't seen it, how can you have a substantial critical discussion of the movie or make any relevant points about it?


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    So, in that regard, on my personal scale it seems it was a success. Mostly everyone who saw it liked it, aside from outliers like Lastjustice and Golden Girl (if she actually saw it - I couldn't tell/can't recall).
    Actually I never said I didn't like I just thought was average. Give me a better first half and I could given it a much better rating. Even Angry Joe who gave it a 9/10(opposed to my 6.5/10) said the first 30 mins was crap. Which he said till basically the first ex showed up, which seemed longer than 30 mins close to a hour but Im sure someone has the exact time for when Matt Pattel first showed up. Thats really when the movie started being worth watching. Prior to that I was strongly considering walking out.(which I've never have walked out of a film before.)


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    BY BBM
    In fact, this conversation is entirely suprising to me because I thought the story and background was pretty clear. Maybe a bit shallow, but even thinking heavily about it, I am not left with the feeling of "Why?"
    Well I understood it was supposed be if life were a video game and didn't why either because I had that understood.(which people on the forums even when asking Why does he have super powers even when the first trailer was shown. Why is an important question alot of times hehe.) Had the movie simply conveyed that alittle better to people who had no background then it would have gone over alot easier. Just knowing that and having the keys to kingdom of geekiness Im sure you and people on the boards generally can jump right in just fine. So makes sense you weren't thinking why, not that you're shallow.

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    BY Chris moses
    think my official stance is this, though: "Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World" was presented as the best video game adaptation to cinema (that's what many reviewers called it, that isn't my tagline). When playing a video game, you don't question why Mario has such uncanny jumping abilities for a fat Italian plumber, or why a plumber is dating a princess, or why a giant lizard-guy stole the princess. You just set out to save the day.
    As I said above, if it conveyed that better people would probably gotten it. Like the beginning of the movie was like a title screen saying press start or the the opening credits were all video game related instead of the pointless guitar outline we saw. Besides the universal pixalated was the only warning it gave to the audience and the continue screen at the end which probably went over most their heads. The movie just assumes you know it's rules(which Im sure some people who were gamers caught on well enough.) and never bothers to try to bring people up to speed. So either the people who got it or don't care what happens might have been fine. Everyone else...not so much. I think it's amusing premise and a clever idea, they just needed get everyone who wasn't part of the inside joke on board if possible. (hell even if they had Scott opening lines like sometimes I feel like life is like a video game....(insert remarks why.)

    Ultimately I had a bigger problem with the lack of on screen relationship between Scott and Ramona, but you've even agreed to that. (which Chris ...your signature sprite is really hard to look at due to the flashing colors and motion. Could you change it to something less annoying please?The regular avatar one of Scott Pilgrim is perfectly fine.)

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    By Arcanaville
    Its worth coming up with a more nuanced lesson other than "we should never make these movies ever again" or its polar opposite "we should keep making these movies until the movie going audience grows a brain." Both of those are equally bad lessons to learn.
    Hollywood seems take alot of the wrong lessons from things. I imagine they'll probably go with the former than the latter in this case.
  19. I think I'd pass on telepathy.(I mean you could opt to not use it but I know one thing about humans, we have too much desire to look at things we probably shouldn't.) I know I wouldn't want someone poking around my head that I wouldn't want to do the same to someone else. It's just this huge violation.

    I just imagine it would ruin the way you looked at people, or being able to forgive them as you'd get info you never should. People lie so much that some times it really is better to live the lie than to know the truth each and everytime. It's not to say it's not with out it's use. Just some times it's better not to know. I just find it's too much of a pandora's box to open. Sometimes there's too much information when comes to people's personal affairs.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BlackArachnia View Post
    Yes I would give my soul for immortality. I am not sure how that would work either lol.
    I got the paper work for ya if you ever want to find out...muhahahaha.
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    Originally Posted by CommunistPenguin View Post
    Actually, if you think about it, having supermans powers until you see a specific color is an awesome ability. Wanna have sex without killing a normal human? Red goggles. Wanna save the world? Yellow goggles. Wanna walk around without having to worry about accidentally destroying something due to your enormous strength? Red goggles. Wanna zip over to Europe for dinner? Yellow goggles.
    Collosus, Captain Marvel, and the Green Lantern are all super powered characters with an off switch that works a heck of alot better. I'd rather have my powers shut off when I turned them off at will, yelled a secret word or pulled the ring off my own finger. Don't get me wrong those are by no means the worst defects to put up with to achieve power but there's far better packages that get the same perks.

    I'd definitely want the option to go all natural.(it is a world made of cardboard after all heh.) I think always being in super mode you'd stop appreciating certain aspects of life (such as hot and cold like Doctor Manhatten talked about in watchmen.) It might start to alienate you from the rest of the planet if you stay that way for too long. Switching it off gives you a reminder of what life was like and what makes have powers special in the first place. (plus it prepares you for the rude awakening of if your powers ever were to shut off against your will.)Just seems like it would help keeping you grounded and mentality well adjusted not being above everyone all the time. That's me though.
  22. Most powers can be useful in some way. Now if you can't control it ever then that makes it a lousy set up. (such as rogue, the hulk or cyclops.) Generally all those characters described as lacking control not that they can't potentially control it due to mental issues. (such as someone who's a bit more well adjusted gets gamma based powers they don't turn into raging maniacs like Samson or She-hulk as simply brings to surface whatever is repressed most.) Or some other defective version of a power set that doesn't have all built in subpowers that all mainstream heroes have to make it function. (such as bursting into flames and it damages you because you're not immune to the effects of your own powers.)

    I'd gladly take immortality depends on exactly how works out as other said. If Im falling apart steadily over time but wont ever die regardless how badly I get banged up, thats a raw deal. I just imagine at some point you'd be nothing but a head laying some where for all time. If you're like high lander and basically heal most injuries and remain constantly at the age it triggered (assuming you re not a kid.) That's perfectly cool.

    As for mr fantastic or other rubber characters, I dont see why that couldn't be fun. Unless I can't stand being in freezing cold and will shatter in enviroments I could others handled fine I could picture it being a rather fun power to have. (especially for whoever you're dating heh.) As a shorter person I'd be able reach all high up stuff. You'd never have worry about losing your keys since you could use your powers as a lock pick or slide into any open window or crack in a doorway. Not to mention blunt trauma doesn't hurt you any more(besides stuff of really high magnatude.). Stuff bounces you instead of hurting you. Really besides being strange or not as cool as other powers, I'd take it over having none at all.
  23. (shrugs) Anyways I think mistakes were made with this movie, but I found the parts that were good to be enjoyable. It probably could have done better if several different approaches were taken but who knows may be will get it's money back and then some on DVD.

    I don't agree kickass belongs on the list with this since it made enough cash to get a sequel green lighted. I'll be really shocked in there's any sequels to Scott Pilgrim vs the world. Though crazier things have happened.
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    If I've been aggressive it's because I was tired and couldn't muster the patience to deal with your particular brand of arrogance.
    I grow tired of you being denser than lead. You don't seem read posts so if you really don't get it just say so(as look at the thread...other people are quoting what I said and trying have a discussion.) and I'll ignore you saving us both time.

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    And I was remarking on storytelling in general. Scott Pilgrim vs The World is a story, so . . .
    And I got the message in your first damn post. You're broken and irrelevant record. And like I said still had nothing do with the discussion. I didn't disagree with it...I just said it was a pointless statement to make in the first place. Something that seems to escape you for several post oh captainfoamforbrains.

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    As far as I am aware, the big fight at the end of the second one just revolved around getting the matrix of leadership to Optimus then The Fallen using it to jump-start the sun-killing machine. I've seen the film a few times, and there was no mention of that fight covering up anything. If there was an explanation in a tie-in comic or the novelization, that's another thing altogether.
    And what does that have to do with anything I mentioned? Heck what does that have do with anything you mentioned? And why even mention transformers in the first place on a thread not about them? Oh here why, Foamy has no ability to stay on topic or make a gosh darn point.

    You first say what I mentioned was using data from the first to resolve said plothole I was saying was covered there for it didn't count since it was from the first film. I mention people wouldn't know what happened in the first to know it needed covered up. Now you mention the finale of the second film...how does that go with what you mentioned before? I'm not even sure what you're trying show me or prove as you're all over the place.

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    No. I never said it was an excuse to write crappy stories
    Oh but you have before. (see district 9 and several threads we discussion batman in.) Basically you go doesn't need be explained because it's fiction. There's no rules...nothing needs be coherent or make sense because the writer says so....That was your arguement against me on several fronts. It's all fine and great you're a simpleton , but don't expect me follow suit.


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    Whoa there settle down sparky. I don't know who keeps peeing in your cheerios but I keep making and restating these points about storytelling, but for whatever reason you seem intent on arguing with me and attempting to paint me as an ignorant fanboy. Try to actually think about what I'm saying and your response before leaping into arguments.
    Settle down? You realize who you're talking to right? I haven' even remotely nerdraged up this topic at all. I've kept it rather civil compared to some of my more explosive moments. I think you've seen your share of them to know better.

    Don't play coy like you've been this stellar and intelligent poster.Your words are as empty as your soul!You've posted nothing constructive this entire thread. You quoted Arcannaville's entire post just to say Speedrace was awesome.(and it wasn't. It was meh.) You tossed in photos oh Mrs Hendrix as a point to a movie you haven't seen. And tossed in several posts to me and others about a point that didn't need to be made in the first. Kettle black troll king. I dont even know why you're in this thread other than to be disruptive since it's all you seem to be doing is trying to derail it.

    You want to tell me Im not reading posts when I said I got it. I wasn't intent on arguing your point, I was intent on telling you shut the heck up because you're off topic and irrelevant to this discussion. You want to tell me what I was intent on doing...be right about that atleast.

    Your post (which I opted to ignore till several posts down when I saw your pointless statement was going keep coming.)
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    Er but you can argue that point for pretty much every movie or story ever.
    Lets look at what I said.

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    Yes you can deconstruct anything to point it doesn't work, but there's a happy balance between making everything air tight and writing everything like it's loony tunes where the improbable happen all time and it's never explained because it's an understood that that world functions on that.
    In my first post I replied to your "point" I agreed right then and there.Who's not reading? That would be you. So yeah you've proven you're a few pokemon short of full dex. Not much else.