Lady Athyna

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Any beta villains ever invade Paragon? I never had a chance to but I heard some things.

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CoV beta bug. Clicking exit mission would drop you outside of another version of Atlas Park. You could run for a bit to get into the zone, otherwise you were outside the geometry. You could smack around the thugs and save citizens, but those damn police drones would zap you back to Mercy.

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Did you know...

...Back in the old days, you couldn't spend two minutes in Kings Row without someone asking you where the CoT were?

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I thought that was the Lost...

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Now we have even more information from a dev, though it's now across to the Euro boards, and didn't sound certain.


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Please remember, Bridger is a mod like CuppaJo, not a dev. The devs could have changed things since they told the mods anything. Course, they could change things since they tell us too.

Maybe it's just me, but some powers have 'felt' different than they 'sound' when reading about them, which is why I hang on to respecs and use the test server to try a new build out.

Anyway, maybe I'm rambling, but at this point, I want i7 on test already so that we can move past 'if'.

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All true, including the rambling - badump-ching!

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Ramble, ramble, mumble, mumble, grumble, grumble...

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I truly can't see what "if" we're discussing in the thread that's desirable to test in that way.


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Maybe if wasn't the best word... We're going on and on about a couple of posts from Positron and Bridger but no working experience of it all. That's all I meant.

But I do agree with the not taking a PPP until 47 as unacceptable. I feel like the first character I played was more of a practice run than a main, if that makes any sense.

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Now we have even more information from a dev, though it's now across to the Euro boards, and didn't sound certain.


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Please remember, Bridger is a mod like CuppaJo, not a dev. The devs could have changed things since they told the mods anything. Course, they could change things since they tell us too.

Maybe it's just me, but some powers have 'felt' different than they 'sound' when reading about them, which is why I hang on to respecs and use the test server to try a new build out.

Anyway, maybe I'm rambling, but at this point, I want i7 on test already so that we can move past 'if'.

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Oh yes EvilGeko, because your opinion is so not valid. We're always right.

Jeez, all we are saying is to get a better opinion is to wait until it is on Test because we dont know full details. Is that an evil thing to say?

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But whatever goes on test is IRRELEVANT. We know your choice of patron is permanent. So discussing that cannot be premature.

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But what if there's enough powers in each set so that almost anything is possible? The set is permanent, but what if there's enough powers in the set that are respeccable?

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That'd be interesting, and it's possible, but it's entirely hypothetical. Hard to discuss that scenario for very long seriously, in other words. The precedent of APPs would indicate that it's a hair less likely that PPPs will have a menu of 8-10 powers similar to all the other PPPs, but it is possible.

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Yeah, I know... was just trying to throw a few happier scenarios out there. But, there is some we don't know that could make this better, or worse. Hence the wait and see attitude.

I don't like the truly permanent bit either, really. But... Bridger said on the EU forums...
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I believe that each Patron offers four powers to each AT (in the same way that each Ancillary pool for heroes offers four powers).

As Positron has said, the choice of Patron is permanent, but I see no reason why you won't be able to change the actual powers you choose to take via a respec - your choice of Primary and Secondary power sets is permanent, but you can change the powers you choose from those sets via a respec.

As far as a I know, you do not have to choose a Patron.


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Does this mean that each patron has five seperate pools within it, one for each AT, with four powers in each AT specific set? So, the patron isn't changable, but the powers within are?

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Oh yes EvilGeko, because your opinion is so not valid. We're always right.

Jeez, all we are saying is to get a better opinion is to wait until it is on Test because we dont know full details. Is that an evil thing to say?

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But whatever goes on test is IRRELEVANT. We know your choice of patron is permanent. So discussing that cannot be premature.

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But what if there's enough powers in each set so that almost anything is possible? The set is permanent, but what if there's enough powers in the set that are respeccable?

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This thread is barely 24 hrs old and is already 34 pages long......you'd think this would send a message to the devs.

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What message? That's there's a small group of players who get hysterical over incomplete information and post multiple times?

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Rampant speculation can be fun!

Also, it's only 19 pages for me.

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I see so many post saying "Why not just make it like the heroes EPP's."

So what your saying is,you want the villians to be IDENTICAL to heroes.I say no to that,that's exactly why they are villians,and not heroes.

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I wonder if they have plans for patrons for heroes.

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I believe that each Patron offers four powers to each AT (in the same way that each Ancillary pool for heroes offers four powers).

As Positron has said, the choice of Patron is permanent, but I see no reason why you won't be able to change the actual powers you choose to take via a respec - your choice of Primary and Secondary power sets is permanent, but you can change the powers you choose from those sets via a respec.

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Now, since you took the grain of salt, you are hereby forced to recognize that Bridger is not the final authority on this, and therefore, his answer should not be treated as rock-solid fact. However, he is more likely to have the correct final info than most of us here, so his answer is notable....


Enjoy

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Salt's bad for you... but each patron has a set of powers for each AT? Very interesting...

Oh, good find.

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I'm still looking forward to this and think it is a good thing. But the "permanant" part is worth discussing. Again...we can only talk about the part we know about. If we don't, there would be no reason for this thread to exist.

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I'm not too crazy about the 'truly permanent' part either. Seriously.

So, cross-over... will not be available after 40? I can't see a redeemed villain, a hero, calling up Mako, "Hey, yeah... what's that next thing I'm supposed to do?"

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But we don't yet know all the powers available in a patron pool. They might be almost identical to the CoH APP's, or they may have several types of powers to ensure that any concept can fit into the patron pool. We don't know that yet. That's why I'm waiting.

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My interpretation of the dev remarks is that each sponsor will have a theme for their powers. Each AT will be different, but still reflect that theme. Hopefully, those powers will follow the CoH APP's, and fill in some of the gaps of each AT.

-- War

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My hope is that, as unchangable, each patron pool will have something for everyone. But... this is one of things we do not yet know.

*crosses fingers*

But we don't yet know all the powers available in a patron pool. They might be almost identical to the CoH APP's, or they may have several types of powers to ensure that any concept can fit into the patron pool. We don't know that yet. That's why I'm waiting.

Yeah, Mantid really needs to get busy.

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Food for thought.

They haven't yet said HOW MANY powers are in the patron pools.

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I think I said something way earlier in the thread about hopefully each set would enough variable powers to work with anyone, I hope. That was before Posi decided to visit and we went into frenzy mode.

I'm fine with missions, badges, titles, costumes options and whatnot being tied to the patron, as long as the patron is mostly a color or visual effect to the powers. I mean, if each patron pool basically has the same powers, a couple sheilds, a couple blasts, a couple buff/debuffs, whatever, then it shouldn't be too tough.

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It's exactly like people flipping out about capes. Or flipping out at the thought of having to hit level 50 to unlock Kheldians.

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No it isn't, this is people flipping out over a post level 40 choice that cannot be changed without rerolling your character.

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I have to admit, this is a tough pill to swallow if it is true. Still awaiting further clarification from Posi ....

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I'm with you Cobaltix. They've added stuff before, like the respec trial, that allowed us to not be locked into poor choices for the entire life of the character. I'm not sure they'd completely lock us into content, the way this sounds.

I'm waiting for more info.

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I love this game. I almost never complain. But this time I feel I need to.
Patron choice being permanent? Bad, but perhaps necessary.
Having to chose a patron? Very bad. I'm sorry, but my Mastermind is an evil genius with plans of world-domination and an ego the size of a galaxy. In-character, he would never, NEVER take a patron. From the sound of it, I'm going to have to break character. I want to play an archvillain who's trying to take over, not an apprentice of a bigger villain!

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You are not forced to do any of the Patron content.

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Is there a non-Arachnos patron set?

Edit - Any plans for a betray the patron trial at a later date?

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Hard numbers or not, we're permanently locked into power choices - that's not exceptable.

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I don't think so. We're permanently locked into POOL choices, not power choices. It's like being unable to change your primary and secondary, but able to change the powers within them. Of course, I could be wrong here.

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Being locked into a pool is just like being locked in to powers in this case. Make any excuse you want, but they messed up on this one - that's not up for argument as far as I'm concerned.

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We don't know enough yet. There may be enough power choices in each set to work into almost every possible combination.

Don't know. Posi just confirmed they are truly permanent. That's all he confirmed.

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Patron Powers are truly permanent. This powerset, once chosen, is as much a part of your character as your Name, Primary Powerset, Secondary Powerset, Body Type, and Origin.

There is currently no way for us to let you re-spec out of them and into a different one. This is because it is tied to specific content for that Patron.

Because of this, hard numbers are given, in-game, about the powers and what they do before you even choose which arc you wish to partake (and will most likely be available on the website as well).

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Don't want to jump on ya, but... uhm... given the level of customization in-game already, is 'truly permanent' a good idea?

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More like discussion. Note that I did not say that rigid patron power permanancy will be placed in the game. All I did was state permanancy is not going to be very popular.

And what is wrong with conjecture? Especially on an internet forum discussing possibilities about future features

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Well, that's why offered it, as conjecture. Cryptic has one of, if not the most customizable character creators. The ought to know their player base likes options, the more options, the better. From that, I think the patron pools will have enough variability within each to make most folks happy, while the patron choice itself may be nothing more than the color and visual effects of the powers.

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If it's a trial that unlocks it, then you pick, I think I'll do the trial and then copy my character to test and try each set.

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So you're going to make multiple copies to Test and play ten levels on each just to see if any of them are worth taking? Have fun.

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Permanency is not going to be very popular. The problem is you can shift to test to get the first power, but then you have to play all the rest of the levels to 49 to just get to test the other higher level patron powers. Ugh.

In addition, considering how many times this game changes, especially in regards to changing powers; you can get stuck with a patron power you were satisfied at first and then it becomes "teh gimp" broken and wasted power slot. Burn anyone?? I hope we get extremely useful descriptions of patron powers because a bad decision can be made very, very easily.

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Conjecture? It's possible that each patron set will have a few powers for everyone and the actual patron choice is more asthetic.

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If it's a trial that unlocks it, then you pick, I think I'll do the trial and then copy my character to test and try each set.

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So you're going to make multiple copies to Test and play ten levels on each just to see if any of them are worth taking? Have fun.

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Maybe just one level. I'll decide after I know more about it... just kinda thinking out loud, err... out type?

It sounded good when I thought of it, like to test out respec builds without blowing a respec.

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Even if you respec?

I hope they're well documented then. It'd really suck to pick a patron and then realize that their powers look good on paper but have really low numbers or something that make them useless.

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If it's a trial that unlocks it, then you pick, I think I'll do the trial and then copy my character to test and try each set.

And, if you don't want to join Arachnos, per se, you could RP the character as pretending to take a patron in order to get closer to Recluse and kill him.

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So getting a Patron Pool involves doing an arc? What happens if I decide that I don't like that patron and want to respec into a different patron pool later?

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I thought I read in an interview that you can't change patrons after you've picked one.