KnightofKhonsu

To bad then. Regardless of this fact, Street Justice is out for 2 days now. How can you or anyone else pass judgment on something in that period? Did you spend 48 hours straight playing? Probably not. No one and I mean no one can make an informed optimal decision in 2 days time in this situation. Moreover, by optimal I mean the best-informed and researched decision. You are not making such a decision. Yours is based on your experience, gut feeling, and what you have seen in the past. That is what we call making a decision influenced by a bias(s). When decisions are made this manner, they normally end up making a decision that turns out completely wrong or with mediocre results.

You read my post. In it, I recommended spending a lot of time using this in the manner for which is was designed. Gather your data (you can do so by copying the combat status) and save it for later use. Just using min/max numbers does not give a true representation of the data. In this case, what is the mean average of damage from SJ at every level and the overall median damage? Then compare that to whatever attack power you want. Who knows, the data may reflect that you are completely wrong and any changes made would indeed break the power.

Of course, it could show some kind of problem that needs rectifying. In this case, you have researched analyzed data to prove your case instead of the age-old stance, "Because I feel, I believe, or I want it so" argument does not have any influence on anyone. That is because it is an opinion supported only by feeling nothing more. Only true hard data can do that. Try that and see what comes about this whole thing in say, 3 months. Then make a decision based on what you have it will either support your position or it will not. That is the only true way to influence any type of change.

I hate SR. Will power is the best defensive power in my opinion. It may not have KBAoE or Self Aid; however, it makes up for it with regeneration powers, knockback resistance, sleep, holds, psionics, and a few other resistances that SR does not give you without continually having to activate Practiced Brawler. Conversly, SR does not offer any resistance to psionics or toxic effects damage as WP does. Hands down, willpower over all, then DM, Invulnerability, SD and so on. SR, never again..never never never never never! Did I say never? Yup, never again.

No one in their right mind, would fault you for doing so in the first place. This game and Tanker Tuesday, will always be here (knock on wood); however, such an event as you shared with your son will not.

While I can see the numbers aren't that different; the numbers verses the actual action don't match up. My scrapper with a broadsword appears faster than my tanker with a mace.

Hm...maybe the reason is it has to do with the visual of the physical action of the toon. While swinging the mace/hammer in a party using either a BS, katana, or dual swords, the hammer, visually, is slower that's for sure. Dunno, maybe I'm trying to reach here. Visual representation can influence a person, especially when you depend on it for this type of setting. <shrugs>

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Funny thing, I've seen it done; however, I do not know who to do it myself or where to look to start.

Trust me, I love using tankers & brutes with whichever melee power I choose to use. Most of the time it’s either sword or just plain fists. I had never used a mace or an axe. I thought I'd broaden my horizons as they say.

Last night I upgraded into using Performance Shifter, slotting End Mod, End Mod/End & End/Rech. That made a noticeable difference. However, I did notice something that I guess just slipped under my radar. That is when combating foes that are +1 or higher, endurance is burned up by a factor of 2 or 3. I am not sure why that should make a difference. When I fought same level foes, my loss, and recovery of endurance was acceptable. However, when I was surrounded by 5 or more foes, endurance began bleeding off again. I have not experienced this with any other melee archetype. What I expect is the developer built into the design is factoring in actively using the shield combined with a mace/hammer, will burn up more endurance than say someone using SS, DM, or Kinetics.

Lastly, Yes I designed this toon for today's event. I have a number of Tanker/Brutes on Freedom and some on Exalted. I did not want to transfer them over just for this event. Therefore, making a new one is the answer. I'm actually looking forward to participating in this one.

You are correct. I was thinking of my scrapper when I inadvertently wrote tanker. My mistake. I had tankers on my mind.

Cool, thanks KS. The mechanics of this game are as complex as some RPG games I've played. Luckily, the computer does it for us instead of us having to calculate it all! LOL

However, I do have to disagree with something. Well, not so much as disagree, as I'd call it 'hard to accept,’ the chance the enemy hits. I started noticing it as of late, especially with my Dual Sword/Dark Mesma stalker, that the opponents would miss my toon on every 4th attack, and my toon hit on the 4th attempt. This was against white and yellow level enemies. Enough so, that I'm shouting epitaphs at my computer! Thanks, I'll go look up the information on ParagonWiki.

I'm new to these boards, though I've monitored them off and one now for a while. Therefore, paradon my question as I don't mean to sound like I'm uneducated.

This is a term I am not familiar with. What does Soft Cap mean and what or how does it affect an archtype? Thanks.

Dark Melee, Martial Arts, Kenetics, Dual Blades, or whatever...however, Will Power is by far, in my opinion, the best defensive power to have.

DM / WP you won't gone wrong with that.

My experience with Super Reflexes on my scrapper soured me towards using it ever again. I avoid it like the plague.

I'd rather use Will Power instead, which in my humble opinion, is the best of the lot for a toon that is brawling trench fighter.

I'm looking forward to Street Justice coming out. I'll probable replace my original first toon who has "Dark Melee / Super Reflexes" with "Street Justice / Will Power." I feel these best suit my original toon's make up and background.

Uh huh. That's what I thought. So...in reality it is not permanent like the power states. Tricky trick trick. Thanks!

Not directly, but you indicate your displeasure for not being able to do what super heroes, even in comics, are unable to do, take on and defeat even the elite of the elite super villains.

Maybe if the comic is written by the producers of Pokémon. And no, I have every issue of West Coast Avengers before going defunked. Hank Pym was Antman and he and his wife, did not take the Hulk down. It was a team effort by all eventually Iron Man knocked the hulk out after using every amp of power his armor generated to do that. It was Hank Pym who had to save Tony from suffocating in his armor.

A fictional super hero/villain game not based in reality. How is this game or others are to make sense when much of what goes on is impossible by any means? This is where you, the player, is asked to engage in a bit of 'suspension of belief.'


Really? So it's okay for Hamidon type "grand cosmic enemies;" however, not for someone like Cole who it is written that he has taped or given full access to the power of the Well of Souls? Not even Recluse or Statesman have that level of power.

This is the reason villains like Cole are called ultra elite super villains. They are not beatable without a large team of super powered heroes/villains to take them on. In Cole's case, and his minions (Seige, Nightstar, et al), by incarnate powered super heroes/villains.

Yes they do. However, if you notice each of these "godlike" beings are part of the storyline that drives the game. This makes a story and a universe dynamic. What you are proposing will turn it into a static game eventually stagnating becoming a boring game to play.

Yes he is. I don't hear you decrying Recluse though? He is a super incarnate powered villain that can not be taken down with one incarnate powered hero/villain. Statesman's TF requires eight level 50 super heroes to have any success. Anything less is an ingredient for failure.

Really? Where does it say that? Where is it written that as incarnates we can take out Cole with one lone hero / villain blessed with incarnate power? It doesn't. Cole is what he is. Only Hamidon and Rularuu are more powerful and they are what I call equal to Galactus!


Do what? Really? Should we do that, where do we get the inspiration to play or the ability to believe in a game like this without having comics as the bases for us to build our fundamental beliefs in a game of this nature. Consequently, you saying to 'forget comics' is akin to telling us to forget D&D if we play World of Warcraft, Star Wars if we play Rebellion, or any other game system based on a comic, movie, or other genre that inspired such games. My answer, you cannot and thus you are dead wrong. However, if this is what you believe you must do, then by all means do so. But do not presume to tell me or anyone else that we have to do that.


Strawman argument. What you are saying is, there is no reason for the game at all. What I am seeing from you, going by what you have written, is it not possible for some ordinary person to become a super hero or villain. Really? Explain Spiderman? Hulk? Sandman? Just for starters. Let's look at the ordinary individuals who become super heroes or villains. Tony Stark, used his intellect and technology to become Iron Man. Hawkeye is a normal man with extraordinary skills with a bow. Based on what you are saying these people should never have become super anythings.

Really? You must be what is termed 'power player' who must have all the power to defeat everything in a game. This game is nothing like that. No super hero/villain game will ever be like that. That is what us game developers (I write and develop a few games in the SciFi genre) call a static game with nothing to improve on it or make it dynamic.

Wait, what? This game isn't fair or balanced? Really? So you believe that everyone's characters and the opponents the face require balance to make it fun? Wait, what would be the point of playing? Where is the challenge? If everyone has the same equal powers, what makes a character grow? Gaining levels for the sake of levels to gain more power then must be stopped. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

What you are saying is that any and all games before this one that has someone with more power than PCs (player characters) is wrong and should be revised so that all players are equal to the bad of the bad. That is what you call a god power game and nothing is more boring to play something where you ALWAYS win and challenge is non-existent. I'm sorry, I do not prescribe to that notion or mind set and thank goodness the developers of this game do not either. Otherwise, I can only speak for myself, NCSoft would not get my hard earned money. I'd venture many others, probably a majority, feel the same.

Nice try though, you based your argument on being politically correct (fairness and balance for all). That does not work in any game of this caliber, not even in playing Pokémon or Yu-Gi-Oh! On that note, I'll leave the last word for you to make.

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Originally Posted by T_Immortalus It's still hard to believe...snipage...Seriously, look at Dr. Aeon with his drones that give him a shield that you can't damage him through. We never have that option. We get a powerful shield but it has to be balanced so that we never reach that power level, such as not allowing us to attack.

Tell me, when has a single super hero ever taken down say, Galactus when he attacked earth the few times he did. No, it took most of the known super heroes on the east coast to do that.

Oh how many of the West Coast Avengers were needed to take the Hulk out when he was enraged beyond belief? All of them, with Iron Man finally knocking him out after shunting all his power to deliver a knockout blow.

How many super heroes of X-Men did it take to defeat Apocalypse that included all his minions, one of which was Angel who himself was nearly as powerful as Apocalypse. Answer, every single one of them.

My point? The elite super villains always required a team of heroes to take them out. This is the premise of what we see in City of Heroes. You complain that you cannot take out Tyrant? Did you face him in the story arch to rescue Statesman? Did you defeat him there? You weren't alone though, Manticore was with you, with or without a team. Did you take out Siege in the other story arch by yourself without a team? No because it is impossible to defeat him with a lone hero.

This is how Marvel and DC for that matter have had their universes set up since the dawn of super heroes, Superman aside, a single hero just isn't strong enough to defeat the ultra elite super villain without help or some kind of gimmick.

Accordingly, from what I am reading from your complaint, is that you want the basic premise of a super hero/villain universe changed so you can take your toon and take out a ultra elite super villains like Emperor Cole, Rularuu, Hamidon and maybe even the Well. What about being able to solo against say...Statesman or Recluse with their full incarnate powers using your incarnate powered super hero. Should you be able to do that?

I had an answer for any of my gamers who had a character become that powerful, my newest NPC. You want to have a god-like toon, so be it. Just don't expect to play it anymore because it so powerful it can take out Hamidon or Rularuu by him or herself.

Fortunately, the devs will never allow that to happen because it will completely unbalance the game turning it into a mega-power game of who has the greatest power. One that I would stop paying my hard earned money for because someone could not accept the games reality of what makes up a super hero and the ultra elite super villain.

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Originally Posted by Caraecyn My point about moral absolutism is whatever you state as a morality is applyable back on you...snipage...In this case Iahve in no way argued that one should not kill a murderer, I only argue that if you apply the term evil to an act it is evil for anyone who does it.

Nice try, but that dog won't hunt. Why not get in touch with Seal Team 6, who took out good ole Bin Laden, and tell them that? I'm sure they'd be interested in knowing that they are evil for killing evil. You make a conscious act to kill a murderer without the consent of the law, and then yes, you commit an act of murder. However, you kill a murderer with the consent of the law, and then your actions are justified by the law. That is the difference in making the right moral choice.

Your argument is straw man argument. You do know the difference from right and wrong. There are no levels of "rightness or wrongness." It is either right or wrong you cannot have it partially.

On a side note, how does one select the setting that will use the standard white color instead of having to change the font color before posting? I cannot find it any where. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare Morality is subjective and shifts to fulfill the need(s) of and/or justify actions during a given time.

Really? Then how do you define Qaddafi, Idi Amen, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, Mahmud Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il, Kim il-sung, General Tito, Stalin, and lastly, Adolf Hitler by your moral standard? Are their actions grey and they can be viewed as heroes by those who support them? I am interested in how you will explain away the actions of these barbaric mass murderers.

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Originally Posted by Caraecyn You now there are plenty of philosophies that reject good and evil as polar opposites.

Yes there are. However, they are there because they cannot accept the concept and ultimately the truth that a moral choice is either, black or white, evil or good.
30 years ago, this discussion we are having now would not be one of disagreement or counter-point on what the true meaning of morality is. You know why? Because every agreed on just what morality meant. However, not today. No one is willing to accept black or white, only gray. Because it means that, they have to face the consequences of their choices, whether good or bad. A little white lie is still a lie. Stealing a donut to eat because you are starving is stealing nonetheless, no justifications.

I don't care how many "philosophies" there are regarding morality. It is still a choice doing good or bad, regardless.

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Originally Posted by Caraecyn But let us look at an absolutist Morality....snipage...

This is nothing more than a straw man argument to justify the changing the meaning of morailty. One can paint, blow smoke, expound, expand, and make endless excuses concerning "one's belief" of morality. At the end of the day, it comes down to a black and white choice, good or evil, nothing more, and nothing else.

Finally, power can change a person. However, there must be a predisposition allowing it to manipulate said person in a negative way. The Heroes you mention with the power. Yes, they have the power to do whatever they want and to whomever they want. They do not because they have the moral strength to keep in check their human instincts to allow their power to consume them and use it for their own means. Villains, Super Villains, do not have the moral strength and thus lack the limitations to keep their human desires from manipulating them into making choices that are opposite of what Heroes decide. Morality is the difference between a Hero and a Villain. To put it into context of the game, I liken it to this:

Hero – Unquestionable moral strength and courage
Vigilante – Questionable moral strength and courage
Villain – Unquestionable lack of moral strength and courage
Rogue – Questions their own moral strength and courage

Resistance is broken down into two categories:

Crusaders – Questionable moral strength and courage (Willing to do whatever is necessary to overthrow Cole, including the use of nuclear weapons.)
Wardens – Unquestionable moral strength and courage (Unwilling to harm the lives of the populace therefore work for Cole’s overthrow from within using his system against him.)

Accordingly, this is how I personally play my toons. It fits my belief system.

Whether you or others accept this, is your choice. I firmly and stringently believe it; therefore, will hold to my stance, defend it vigorously, and will not compromise my belief. Conversely, I will not force mine on you. Our beliefs in what morality means is a choice we must make and live with.

Well Golden Girl, I can tell you from experience while what you say is true, it does wear on writers & developers with the constant bombardment of the criticisms. This is especially true when the fans get really nasty and personal. Then it sucks to high heaven. I know of a number of good writers that walked away from a game universe/system because of it.