Kitsune Knight

Yes, you have to download the game, which is approximately 2.8 gigs in size with a download-only install.

If you installed from the physical media included with the Good Vs Evil edition, you'd still need the last several issues worth of updates to be downloaded first. Currently the most recent physical media is the Architect Edition box, which is already an issue behind.


Edit: And "Fixing" in this context means it's downloading/patching that file, nothing to be worried about.

Based on the little bit of information I could get out of the crash log, there was a memory access violation, which could be caused by any number of things, from a bug in CoH, a driver bug, faulty RAM, the alignment of the planets, or malware/viruses/etc.

A HiJack This and CoH Helper log will give a better view of what's going on in your system, see the first reply about this.

You still haven't really said what you need help with but... can't hurt to update your graphic's drivers. The ones you're using right now are from '08.

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I use these regularly and found that not only do they scan faster then Spybot Search and Destroy, they do a better job. They find stuff Spybot misses.

[/ QUOTE ]Every tool will find things others miss. Saying 'Y found something that X missed' is basically the same as saying 'Y and X are not exactly the same product'.

IIRC, that's actually working as intended. Aero's advanced features are disabled when it detects a full screen application like a game to give it the maximum performance.

From what I've read, it'll only do that if you're running the application fullscreen (which the OP is). You might be able to avoid that by running CoX in Windowed mode (you'll also avoid a potential resolution change which could also be triggering the resizing of the taskbar).

Am I mistaken, or is that Windows 7? Also, as Darkfaith mentioned, posting your HiJackThis and CoH Helper logs will help us be able to figure out what's going on... right now we'd basically have to take complete shots in the dark.

Edit: Bah! Too slow

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64bit doesn't offer anyone anything unless they have an application that is going to use more than 2GB itself, or multiple apps that will genuinely consume more than ~3.0GB.

[/ QUOTE ]Computationally heavy applications (such as encryption and video encoding) will also benefit massively from moving to 64bits (assuming the algorithms are also optimized for 64bits), both because of it being 64bits, as well as x86_64 having additional registers and a few other nice improvements. But yeah, for the vast majority of applications it won't make them faster, and it may even make them slower due to 64bit pointers and the like (which'll cause an increase in cache misses).



(moving to 64bits is still good for the long run, even if in many ways it doesn't help too much in the short run... just like how going multicore only benefited home users in a few situations when they first started coming out, but now more and more software is being designed to take advantage of the the extra cores)

I'm telling you you did not!

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Tried to run Adware but AVG wouldn't let it install. Is it safe to run both of them together (ignore the warning)?

[/ QUOTE ]Adaware, hopefully that was just a typo in your reply But yeah, it's safe to run them together, at least I used to no problem.

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It was this.

Tell me I didn't download something really bad....

[/ QUOTE ]From some googling, yeah, that is something bad. It appears to installs a Keylogger (so they know everything you type) and a browser hijacker, possibly more.

Adaware can be downloaded from LavaSoft's website.

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Tried to run Adware but AVG wouldn't let it install. Is it safe to run both of them together (ignore the warning)?

[/ QUOTE ]Adaware, hopefully that was just a typo in your reply But yeah, it's safe to run them together, at least I used to no problem.

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Reminds me of this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77907195969915

[/ QUOTE ]No it doesn't!

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Wait, what? Changing ownership of a folder is easy? Since when?

[/ QUOTE ]RMB on the folder -> Properties -> Security tab -> Advanced -> Owner tab -> Edit (and accept the UAC prompt, putting in password if needed) -> if your username is in the list, click it then click 'OK' OR click 'Other users and groups...', type your username in and click OK on all the dialogs -> Make sure you select the option to apply the changes to subfolders and files.

That's the 'extremely long and overly detailed version' of how to do it, it really only takes a few seconds to do it after you've done it before.

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What is this about the Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit? I thought that was just for checking compatibility before switching your OS??

[/ QUOTE ]It allows you to set various compatibility flags for any executable on your system, the important one for CoX being 'RunAsInvoker' which suppresses UAC's heuristics that think CohUpdater.exe needs to be run as an administrator. There's quite a long list of different flags you can set. It's a bit complicated to figure out how to use it on your own, but there's several guides online about using it for similar things.

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the OS is irrelevant for a 32bit application itself is limited to 2gb, or 3.5 with the 2 switches enabled.

[/ QUOTE ]No, the design of the OS (kernel, specifically) dictates the limit (4GB being the x86 architectural limit, unless you use a hack like PAE). It's possible to allow almost all of the full 4GB of the address space to be allowocated to the application, but that complicates the kernel design and will introduce even more overhead in system calls, both Windows and Linux chose not to design their kernels to work like this.

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Native 64 bit applications each single process is able to address up to 8 terabytes of memory.

[/ QUOTE ]Native Windows applications. The (current) processor-imposed limit being 256 TB (before the kernel/userland split), with the current limitation being 128 TB on Linux for userland processes. The OS is not irrelevant.

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Nonetheless, developers will have to update their applications accordingly. Simply re-compiling the 32 bit applications with a 64 bit compiler is not sufficient, as this would result in each process still being limited to 2 GB.

[/ QUOTE ]No, unless you manually disable the compiler flag (it's on by default on the 64bit compiler), the application will automatically be able to address the full address space by a simple recompile. Changes might need to be made if the developer made assumptions about the sizes of various primitives (especially pointers), other 32bit-isms, or depends on functions deprecated on the Win32 for 64bit Windows API.

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More work, maybe but most definitely worth it.

[/ QUOTE ]That's incredible subjective.

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The odds of an upgrade working perfectly over a used install of a previous OS are not very good, not to mention installing an OS over another is NEVER better than doing a full install on a clean drive.

[/ QUOTE ]The Fedora people told me the same thing (hell, they even said you couldn't). And I showed them by upgrading multiple times

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It does not have to be unused as you say, since I have re-used my current XP Pro on my last 3 rebuilds, and no it is not pirated, cracked or hacked. It is a fully licensed installation.

[/ QUOTE ]You can fanangle it to install on another machine, but the EULA forbids it. It's allowed by the installer in case you've changed the hardware in the machine a good bit.

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The OS he stated in the OP says it comes with a Win7 upgrade, so I am not assuming anything.

[/ QUOTE ]You're assuming he wants to switch. Him mentioning the free upgrade doesn't means he'll want to use it, it just means that pretty much everything now includes a free upgrade to Windows 7.

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the UI of an operating system has very little to do with the breaking of applications other than possible skinning issues which are easily fixed and would exist in ANY os.

[/ QUOTE ]Read what I wrote again, I wasn't saying one would cause the other. Ever single new Windows release has had trouble running a lot of applications written for the previous release, it's only natural that it's damn hard maintaining ABI and API compatibility on such a large scale that subtle things change and breakage occurs... and a lot of the time it isn't even Microsoft's fault, a lot of application developers develop their software to depend on undefined behavior in the Windows API.

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Just as a heads up, as City of Heroes is a 32bit application, it can only use 3.5 gigs of RAM.

[/ QUOTE ] 32-bit Operating systems have a memory allocation limit of 4GB, yes.. but the 32-bit applications themselves are limited to only 2GB, iirc.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, windows by default uses a 2/2 memory split, and a 3/1 split if you both use a special bootup switch (/3GB) and the binary's header has the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE flag (64bit applications still need the flag set to address more than 2 gigs).

IIRC, the 3.5 GB must have been the limit for total userland physical memory in XP/(maybe) Vista 32.

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Make a shortcut to C:\Program Files\City of Heroes\CityOfHeroes.exe -project coh (assuming default installation location on 32bit OSes and not the Mac client) and you won't need to wait in the updater unless there's a new patch. That'll simply launch CoH, bypassing the updater.


To the OP: Assuming you're running the native client (if you're using Boot Camp/Parallels, VMWare Fusion, etc, the instructions above will work), I'm not sure how you'd go about running it in safe mode.

Looking in the Mac section of the forums, I think I found something that might work...

/Applications/City\ of\ Heroes.app/Contents/MacOS/cider -- cityofheroes.exe -project coh

That's assuming that you put the CoH .app into the Applications directory. Also, not really sure how you go about creating the equivalent of a shortcut on a Mac off the top of my head... If that doesn't work, I'd recommend asking in the Mac Users section of the forum.

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Well, the laptop was going to double as my school computer in the coming year. Going into Sound Recording, and the HP has a Subwoofer and everything.

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You aren't really expecting any kind of deep or rich real sound from laptop speakers are you? I hope not or you will be sorely disappointed.

[/ QUOTE ]Is it just me, or is the thought of my laptop vibrating as much as my sub seem like a horrible idea?

Personally, I'm quite happy with the sound quality of just plugging in a decent 2.1 audio system using the headphone jack... Also, at least on the HP laptops I've seen from about a year ago, none of them included a line-in for audio, just a microphone jack, which traditionally has been single-channel and absolutely horrid sound quality (as in, so bad that you could tell it's bad on laptop speakers).

Also, depending on what kind of sound recording you're actually doing, I'd recommend getting an external sound card anyways (a Firewire one should be very low latency, USB ones should be a bit cheaper and still rather low latency), one with all those fancy ports that most high end equipment use.

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So no, he is actually SAVING money doing it this way. Why purchase a copy of vista only to upgrade it a few months later? Better to use whatever current operating system he has and then upgrade later if he wants to.

[/ QUOTE ]Unless he just happens to have an extra, unused copy of Windows sitting around, he'd be stuck with having no OS until Windows 7 is released. Not to mention, it's far more work to do a clean installation than just doing an upgrade.

You're also assuming that he wants to switch to Windows 7... there's been loads of UI changes, and like normal there's going to be many broken applications.

You can scale the building pretty easily with just Combat Jumping, and with some effort without CJ.

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I hadn't seen anything on the MACToolkit and RunAsInvoker when I set up CoH on here

[/ QUOTE ]I use that method because it allows me to avoid having to run CoH with administrator privs+UAC prompt or having to rename the updater, which creates issues when you update CoX (saw several people complaining when I15 came out due to issues with that).

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but I had seen the recommendation in Zloth's guide to not install to the default folder.

[/ QUOTE ]As far as I can tell, that's only so that the user would have write permission on the folder- it's nothing inherent to %ProgramFiles% (and my method of changing ownership also deals with that).


Personally, I find my method less messy

Nope, it's still supposed to be there, but this happens occasionally. I think that typing '/menu' will bring it back.

Known bug. A few days ago there was a thread about it and Castle (IIRC) mentioned that they couldn't RELIABLY reproduce it at the time, and someone mentioned a way, and Castle forwarded it to their dev team and they think they have a fix for at least part of it (at the time, it hadn't gone through QA and other stuff, though). Not sure if there's been any more about it since then from them.


It wasn't just the wsad keys, it was basically all the key bindings (I'd generally get 111122211221123313212312122311133 and other similar things, with zero letters).

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there's no guarantee that covering your eyes and hitting 'Enter' is going to *always* plunk the program in the C:\Program Files folder.

[/ QUOTE ]And for the few brain-dead installers that still think we're on Windows 95 (Fraps, I'm looking at you! ), you can manually change it with a couple keystrokes

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Some people (like myself) don't like to be restricted for certain things... Games is one of them, let them be unfettered.

[/ QUOTE ]For games that need to write to the application's installation directory, it's easy to modify the permissions (or just change ownership).

Then again, I like my *nix roots where su/sudo are king, the console didn't suck, and applications are polite and write their data to the user's home directory

Great, now I'm gonna have to figure out how to hack ExpressGate to be a full Linux distro