Kitetsu

Yas, Kit wins the arguement!

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Right. I'm gonna take a right moan at this myself now. And guess what, I, myself, have a 40 Stalker, and am in the process of levelling up another. Now, I've been PvPing with my new one (LvL 29 Em/Nin), and was up against people with perception (They all did thanks to tactics, along with ice armour etc), and I have no stealth, only hide. And what did I do? I kicked major [censored]. Only a sucky Stalker should RELY on the ability to hide and not be seen. Mix it up a bit, use TACTICS (No, not the power). Stop complaining here. If you're moaning about being seen in PvP, then you obviously don't have what it takes to be an effective Stalker.

Something else, I wasn't even running Mez Rez or BFs. I could have played with hide off if I liked. Would have made life slightly more difficult but I'd still have managed.

I patiently await the counter arguement on this one.

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Hehe my counter argument is you were exactly fighting decent opponents (to your i was kicking [censored] - every villain was kicking [censored] ). There were an abundance of stalkers meaning as soon as a hero got drawn in they were dead. There werent really any controllers either so no real need for mez protection. If I recall the biggest challenge that nite was which villain got the finish blow on a hero.

Agree with over statements such as moaning about being seen, then you aint got what it takes to be an effective stalker.

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Haha yeah last night was a blast Heroes were no challenge at all, so it was a case of Villains competiting for finishing blow But yeah, glad to see you agree. So to the next person that decides to complain about being seen, they must be betrayed, anyone got an illu or mind troller to confuse me in Sirens?

LoL yes, but my point is, Stalkers are not made useless because enemies have perception. Nor are they forced to team for the same reason, as Chelsea seems to think. What I'm saying is it IS possibly that I could go without hide, but I'm not going to because it defeats the purpose.


Also it's funny taking out the stalker hunters. They think they're all it with their perception and their blapping, the next thing they know, they been TP'd, Stunned, ET'd and AS'd, and are lying dead on the ground. Then they start moaning about how stalkers are lame

Right. I'm gonna take a right moan at this myself now. And guess what, I, myself, have a 40 Stalker, and am in the process of levelling up another. Now, I've been PvPing with my new one (LvL 29 Em/Nin), and was up against people with perception (They all did thanks to tactics, along with ice armour etc), and I have no stealth, only hide. And what did I do? I kicked major [censored]. Only a sucky Stalker should RELY on the ability to hide and not be seen. Mix it up a bit, use TACTICS (No, not the power). Stop complaining here. If you're moaning about being seen in PvP, then you obviously don't have what it takes to be an effective Stalker.

Something else, I wasn't even running Mez Rez or BFs. I could have played with hide off if I liked. Would have made life slightly more difficult but I'd still have managed.

I patiently await the counter arguement on this one.

That it nobody else gonna comment?

Lmfao no, Kuji-In Rin only takes 2 recharge SO's to be perma'd.

Ninjitsu is priceless though. I have a 40 Nin/Nin, does the job. Rolled another though, this time EM/Nin, he does the job 4x better But yeah, Nin doesn't have that KB Rez. So what? If you're a good enough stalker in PvP you shouldn't be getting knocked back. Then Nin has the fear resistance which is priceless. I didn't think Nin had quite as much def as 36%, thought it was more in the 29% range (with Hide), that's what Hero Planner says anyway.

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whats the deal with slyfe..yes he's good..but he's eluded in all the movies I saw so...

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If he's Eluded in all the vids, then he aint very good then is he? It doesn't take much to win a coupla fights while Eluded... If you really want skill you watch Elernet's PvP videos. Now THERE's some [censored] kicking

I thought you could do that? Never tried though

That's the build you're suggesting to me for PvP? LoL! Not very good to be brutally honest ><

Ok. Did this for Infurnus. Any comments be nice as I came up with it off the top of my head. What do we think? I think if it falls down anywhere it's gonna be slotting. Commens please!


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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Cryofurnus
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Super Strength
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01) --> Frozen Armor

2. Defense Buff(1)
3. Defense Buff(3)
4. Defense Buff(3)
5. End Reduction(11)
6. End Reduction(43)

01) --> Jab

2. Accuracy(1)
3. Damage(7)
4. Damage(9)
5. Damage(15)
6. Accuracy(17)

02) --> Chilling Embrace

2. Taunt Duration(2)
3. Taunt Duration(5)
4. End Reduction(9)
5. Taunt Duration(40)

04) --> Haymaker

2. Accuracy(4)
3. Damage(5)
4. Damage(7)
5. Damage(11)
6. Accuracy(15)

06) --> Wet Ice

2. End Reduction(6)
3. End Reduction(43)

08) --> Swift

2. Run Speed(8)

10) --> Hasten

2. Recharge Reduction(10)
3. Recharge Reduction(50)

12) --> Icicles

2. Accuracy(12)
3. Damage(13)
4. Damage(13)
5. End Reduction(17)
6. End Reduction(40)
7. Accuracy(46)

14) --> Super Speed

2. Run Speed(14)

16) --> Health

2. Healing(16)
3. Healing(46)
4. Healing(50)

18) --> Glacial Armor

2. Defense Buff(18)
3. Defense Buff(19)
4. Defense Buff(19)
5. End Reduction(36)

20) --> Stamina

2. Endurance Modification(20)
3. Endurance Modification(21)
4. Endurance Modification(21)

22) --> Knockout Blow

2. Accuracy(22)
3. Damage(23)
4. Damage(23)
5. Damage(33)
6. Accuracy(34)

24) --> Hoarfrost

2. Healing(24)
3. Recharge Reduction(25)
4. Healing(25)
5. Recharge Reduction(29)
6. Healing(34)
7. Recharge Reduction(37)

26) --> Energy Absorbtion

2. Defense Buff(26)
3. Defense Buff(27)
4. Defense Buff(27)
5. Recharge Reduction(29)

28) --> Rage

2. Recharge Reduction(28)
3. Recharge Reduction(31)
4. Recharge Reduction(31)

30) --> Punch

2. Accuracy(30)
3. Damage(31)
4. Damage(33)
5. Damage(33)
6. Accuracy(34)

32) --> Hibernate

2. Recharge Reduction(32)

35) --> Hurl

2. Accuracy(35)
3. Damage(36)
4. Damage(36)
5. Damage(37)
6. Accuracy(37)

38) --> Foot Stomp

2. Accuracy(38)
3. Damage(39)
4. Damage(39)
5. Damage(39)
6. Accuracy(40)

41) --> Block of Ice

2. Accuracy(41)
3. Hold Duration(42)
4. Hold Duration(42)
5. Hold Duration(42)
6. Accuracy(43)

44) --> Ice Blast

2. Accuracy(44)
3. Damage(45)
4. Damage(45)
5. Damage(45)
6. Accuracy(46)

47) --> Ice Storm

2. Damage(47)
3. Damage(48)
4. Damage(48)
5. Recharge Reduction(48)

49) --> Hand Clap

2. Accuracy(49)
3. Accuracy(50)

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01) --> Power Slide

2. Empty Enhancement(1)

01) --> Sprint

2. Empty Enhancement(1)

01) --> Brawl

2. Empty Enhancement(1)

01) --> Gauntlet

2. Empty Enhancement(1)

02) --> Rest

2. Empty Enhancement(2)

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Why would you need a stealth debuff there anyway? Every attack breaks stealth. Going from AS to hide still has the 10s stealth suppression like everything else

No it's not, I can re-hide while that icon is still up.

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What do people think to Dark/Energy Aura since we're on the subject. I like the idea of a -acc effect primary with a defense based secondary but is Energy Aura any good?

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The -Acc effect on DM isn't that high, think it's only around 1% even with 3 slots? Not sure though, that's what I remember being told. Doesn't make much of a difference on my LvL 50 DM/SR anyway.

But, for a Stalker, go EM/Nin. Amazing combo, I've recently rolled one after getting a Nin/Nin to 40, and I've fallen in love with my EM/Nin! It has both the def, and the heal, which work quite nicely together. There's the AoE Placate too, but it's quite frankly not too great. Definately go EM/Nin though. If you want an example of how effective this combo is, go to Thatslyfe.com and check out Elernet's PvP videos in the Media section. Pretty amazing stuff.

Right. Here is my proposed PvP build for my EM/Nin Stalker. I'm levelling up with a PvE Build until 40/50, so this build doesn't matter about PvE, it's purely for PvP. Also, with hit and run in mind (If any of you have seen Elernet's PvP Videos @ Thatslyfe.com, you'll know what I'm getting at here), so any comments would be appreciated. I think it's mainly the slotting that needs changed about, but lemme know whatcha think.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Kitetsu Ver.3
Level: 41
Archetype: Stalker
Primary: Energy Melee
Secondary: Ninjitsu
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01) --> Energy Punch==> Acc(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(17)Dmg(36)Acc(36)
01) --> Hide==> DefBuf(1)
02) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(2)Dmg(3)Dmg(5)Dmg(5)Acc(17)
04) --> Danger Sense==> DefBuf(4)
06) --> Assassin's Strike==> Acc(6)Dmg(7)Dmg(7)Dmg(11)Acc(15)
08) --> Build Up==> Rechg(8)Rechg(9)Rechg(9)
10) --> Air Superiority==> Acc(10)Acc(11)Dmg(36)
12) --> Placate==> Rechg(12)Rechg(13)Rechg(13)
14) --> Fly==> EndRdx(14)Fly(15)Fly(40)
16) --> Stealth==> DefBuf(16)
18) --> Stun==> Acc(18)DisDur(19)DisDur(19)DisDur(23)Acc(34)
20) --> Kuji-In Sha==> Heal(20)Rechg(21)Heal(21)Rechg(25)Heal(25)Rechg(34)
22) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(22)Acc(23)Rechg(37)
24) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(24)
26) --> Energy Transfer==> Acc(26)Dmg(27)Dmg(27)Dmg(29)Acc(29)
28) --> Challenge==>
30) --> Intimidate==> Acc(30)Fear(31)Fear(31)Fear(31)Acc(37)
32) --> Total Focus==> Acc(32)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Dmg(33)Acc(34)
35) --> Blinding Powder==> Acc(35)Acc(37)
38) --> Kuji-In Retsu==> Rechg(38)Rechg(39)Rechg(39)DefBuf(39)DefBuf(40)DefBuf(40)
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Assassination==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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What's the best kind of build for a Dominator in PvP then? There has to be SOME kind of combo that makes em good.

DISCUSS

Mmkay. I've got myself my Nin/Nin Stalker at 40. His build sucks, and I've used both my respecs (Woops), so I'm waiting on i7 to respec him. But. I don't wanna mess it up this time. Can we work together here to come up with an optimal build for Nin/Nin, with PvP in mind. Thanks ^^

LMAO, Waiting for i7

No, Nin has Def Debuff Res, got a 40 Nin/Nin Stalker. The def is annoying, but I use Divine Avalanche to keep the def up.

Sorry, didn't understand that, could you say it again? I think what you mean is you can be raided every two days in a two hour window am I correct?

I guess I'm still thinking of I4 numbers (I think so anyway), I haven't played my 50 SR in that long... Oh well... If you're gonna take the powers not to slot them, I don't really see the point in taking them at all then, the def buff would be that small.

So you're saying the extra 5% or so from CJ, and another 5 or so from Weave (when both are 3 slotted with def) doesn't help? That brings you up to 40% def with toggles and auto's (on a scrapper anyway, dunno about stalkers, and I mean the bonus from toggles and auto's not including base def)

Thanks!

Yeah, mind not to choke on my dust

You mean you want to join the SG?

You DIDN'T take Danger Sense? Why, that means no Ranged or AoE Def, you must get your [censored] handed to you. Definately get Danger Sense, if you really don't want extra Def though, get Acrobatics, I constantly find myself dead due to knockback.