Jiaozy

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Just an observation, but the ones who seem to get on with Kheldians the least are those who hit 50 with a tanker or a blaster.

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My first 50 has been a controller, not a tanker(2nd one)..
Now I'm trying again my hand at the WS and I have to say it ain't THAT bad...
You just have to do loads of stuff not as good as any other AT, they're a mix of everything, hence not very good in anything..

Heh, I tried Unstoppable, hated it, respecd it out and I'll never look back..
It's a power that you either love or hate, I'm one of those that hate that power..
Plus I don't want to die from it, I'd rather die because I've been overwhelmed rather than for a crash that i just miscalculated and leave the team sharing the aggro I got, I'd rather have no risk and play safely, that's why I'll left it that far(if take at all, on my actual build i DON'T have Unstoppable at all)..

I suppose you have to get used to it but I'd rather be less tough but ALWAYS than being uber for 3 minutes then become a panting old man with nothing left to do but rest/hope in an Absorb Pain+AB/hope in a Transference+Transfusion..(btw Infernal is one of the easiest AV to tank, not a good example )

In my previous post I meant that I GOT RPD and for a laugh I tried to tank those +8 and managed VERY well without any risk at all(not begging for another nerf tho)but it was just to try..

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Yeah sorry J, but had to go out shopping etc and had missus whinging at me all day, so i was kinda losing my rag

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Excuses excuses ....

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Numina at 10pm in Founders Falls... 35-38 level range, exemps more than welcome...

sign up and see you there.

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Edited for accuracy.

Deluge, you never showed yourself online this evening, so I don't know if I'll be able to be there for Synapse

If you're goin for an epic power pol with an hold I think you could drop Unstoppable aswell..
I never had to use it in all of my 50 levels and if it's only to save me from a team whipe or because a sapper got me then i deserve to die aswell..

Never had a single problem with sapper after i got my hold: hit Rage(you might want to get Build Up), Hold the Sapper, smash everything..

I agree with everything that Golden said but RPD, I have and the difference is big when you fight foes like nemeses and the minions from Requiem(doggies!!), Battle Maiden and all of the nemesies army, I was able to tank +8 Nemesis and Pretorians from Battle Maiden and even Battle Maiden herself if not for the uberly-short taunt duration, due to the S/L res to the cap..

This is what i was planning for my Inv/EM tanker, dropped at lvl 13 for an Ice/EM, for a change:

01) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(3) EndRdx(7)
01) --> Barrage==> Acc(1)
02) --> Resist Physical Damage==> DmgRes(2) DmgRes(5) DmgRes(5)
04) --> Dull Pain==> Heal(4) Heal(7) Heal(11) Rechg(11) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(6)
08) --> Unyielding==> DmgRes(8) DmgRes(9) DmgRes(9) EndRdx(15)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(12) Dmg(15) Dmg(23) Dmg(40) Rechg(43)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16) Heal(17) Heal(17)
18) --> Invincibility==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) Taunt(23)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Taunt==> Taunt(22) Taunt(25) Rechg(25) Rechg(29)
24) --> Whirling Hands==> Acc(24) Acc(29) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(40) Rechg(50)
26) --> Tough Hide==> DefBuf(26) DefBuf(27) DefBuf(27)
28) --> Boxing==> Acc(28)
30) --> Tough==> DmgRes(30) DmgRes(31) DmgRes(31) EndRdx(31) EndRdx(34)
32) --> Weave==> DefBuf(32) DefBuf(33) DefBuf(33) EndRdx(33) EndRdx(34) EndRdx(34)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Acc(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(43)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) EndRdx(40) Rechg(46)
41) --> Char==> Acc(41) Acc(42) Hold(42) Hold(42) Hold(43)
44) --> Fire Blast==> Acc(44) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) EndRdx(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Fire Ball==> Acc(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) EndRdx(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Unstoppable==> Empty(49)

This build is both very soloable(as you wont need all the toggles and will do REALLY good in any team, ig you'll have an empath or a kin on your side you'll be really unstoppable..
I'd 6 slot the fireball and fireblast because they both need a rec red(fireball will never be up otherwise)and an end redx(they both are end hogs)as Total Focus and Energy Transfer are well worth 6 slotting: Total Focus is a huge end drainer with a long recharge(hence 1 rec red, 1 end red)and Energy Transfer has a lower end cost(almost half)but you NEED him to hit to deliver his punishment!(hence 2 acc and a recharge)
This is the way I would build an Invuln tanker: taunt 4 slotted to have him always up, maximum dmg possible on my AoE, Flame Mastery to get Fireball and have one of the best Taunts in the game(as a fire blaster can confirm).

Hasten isn't worth it for a tanker now that it's no more perma and if you're goin for the Fighting pool you'll already have enough end problem without it chopping away your end..
SS is one of the worst travel powers around Imo as you're stuck with a 10 ft tall wall..
I've gone with the Leaping pool because SJ is fast and you'll get Combat Jumping to counter a bit the def buff from Unyielding.

My 2 Inf.

Boomtown is an hazard zone and has his Beacon(in the UO base) Eden and the Crash Site are Trail zone, hence, no beacons...

Yup, I've been so wise to put the Beacon the Rangers' don't have in the Overlords' base

I think some beacons are buged, because I tried 2 times to go to Dark Astoria and i got TPed in the middle of nowhere, outside the map form a Tech TPer...

Accomplishment
Frotline

Achievement
Any badge related to pvp missions and time in pvp zones.
Man in Black(my damage is so p.oo exemped at that level that is unbelievable and it would take me an year and half to get this one)
Rocketman
Legionnaire(lol, they're so few and so far between that I got [censored] off of hunting Warrior Bosses)
Regenerator(see Warrior Bosses)
Untouchable(see Warrior Bosses)
Fire Fighter
Fire Chief
Gladiators
Bladegrass
Fortunata Seer
Serpent Red Ink Man
Any gladiator related to badge that you get from PvP missions or time being in PvP zones.

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2) tanks dont have to be as weak as wet paper bags at any level and can be played as a tank from day 1. I know this.
3) attempts of holding aggro doesnt have to lead to death at all with the right gameplay at anypoint in the game against anything but not of any level. I am dead certain of this.
4) achievements of points 2 and 3 is a sign of a good team not simply a good tanker.

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I'm playing a new tanker(lvl 12)and being Ice I picked my taunt aura by lvl 6 and got Taunt at lvl 12 and I can tell you FOR SURE that even that is far too much aggro, even in a 3 people team due to the [censored] def that you get from TOs and DOs I can't really hold any more aggro that a regen could handle, still having all my defensive powers except Permafrost that I won't pick at all(Hoarfrost, Frozen Armor, Wet Ice).
Not being able to face a +1 Lieut means REALLY having some serious problem with the balance between def/res and attacks..
A blaster or a scrapper can take him down fast, a controller can mez it and dispose of him as he please, a defender can debuff the snod out of him...What about a little lvl 12 Ice tank?He has p.oo damage and [censored] defense, not being able to take him down fast enough..

Unless I'm in a team with an empath that focuses on me AND another kind of healing AT(Dark, Kin, Rad or even a Stormie has helped once)I really can't hold much more aggro than 3 yellow minions...

With SOs it gets far better, but till then we really have poor def/res..

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Now I'm confused, what time is Manticore? 6 and 10?

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6, 7 and 10

Me me me me me, pick me pick me pick me!

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And EVERYTING isn't down to personal preferance. I remember way back in the day, when mouselook was introduced [...] -everyone- "converted" to mouse look within the year.

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Indeed EVERYONE converted to mouse look..
Maybe these guys are still living *way back in the days*..

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may i remind u that i play witout a mouse

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I don't ordinarily touch the mouse at all.

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You two fools really should listen to SixKilla advice, EVERYONE uses mouse look, what are you doing without a mouse or without touching it!
CONVERT TO MOUSE LOOK!
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Omg, lol...

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I have been wanting to ask this for a long time:
if you have powers that give resistance 'over the cap' - and that of course means your resistances are at the cap in actuality - what happens when resistance gets debuffed? Does resistance get reduced from the cap downwards as if you didnt have any extra, or does the debuff affect the extra part first, making you less affected?

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The debuff starts from the real value, not the cap, so if you have 110% res to S/L and you res to that type of dmg gets a debuff of -40%, you will still have 70%.

Will everyone roll a Technology hero for this thing due to the ranged hold? =\
And how can you bring a lvl 1 to the arena!?
Now I'm curious!

Only thing I would say is that Unstoppable with only 1 dmg res SO already brings you to 85.4% res to all, add almost 12% from the passives and you're well above the cap.
I'd stick with 1 dmg res SO, 2 is already overkill because you would get 100% res to all when the cap is 90% and even with 'only' 85% from Unstoppable with 1 dmg res you'll go around 96-97% with the passives that you 3 slotted.

The slot in jab are worthless IMO because the damage is so weak and the chance to disorient so low that you have a lot of better attacks, I'd 5-6 Air Superiority(due to his soft-controlling knockup that can make even AVs turn sometimes) because with only a recharge SO and without hasten you can have it up as soon as the foe is trying to get back on his feet and knocking him up again(unless you miss)and you can keep him flying till you arrest him.

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What is this talk about looking away from the fight. Do you guys know when BU is ready?
I play a regen scrapper. I have 2 heals and build up. I need to know when they are ready to be used. If I get toggle dropped, I need to know what toggle Im missing.

I pretty much have to look at the power tray most of the time anyway.

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You're one of the people I was talking off, you can keep an eye onthe tray WITHOUT losing the focus on the battle..

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Okay, so I realize the optimum method might not be working for people with no apparent dexterity in their fingers.

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And clicking powers without looking 10 seconds for where they are may not work for people with no eye-hand coordination..
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But you're telling me I'm going to cause death to my team-mates which would make me a bad player..


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If I am a healing type defender (ie empath), and someone gets hit hard by a boss, and ends up with 10% health, I look away from the actual battle, to look at the power-tray to position my mouse-pointer on the appropriate button then click the mouse. The likelyhood that this blapper (because you know it is one) is dying in the time that takes, is pretty big. but compare that to moving one finger 2cm to directly execute the heal on the correct team member. because of using the keyboard to execute the heal, I've been able to select the correct member with the mouse through the team tab. I could even have selected the team member with the F keys (but like I said, I haven't got this down to a science.) This is all because in a game as fast as CoH 1/10th of a second counts.

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We come back to the point that you don't know where to put the mouse to activate your powers..

If you know where to put it WITHOUT looking away from the battle(as I'm sure LOADS of people out there can do)then you have no problem, but you're so uber and l33t that you know that for sure...
You only cannot do it...

I was just asking others how they have their kb set up for this sort of things, I never wanted someone to tell me to go read the manual or tell me that he's elite because he mash buttons because he can't click his powers without lookin at them for 15 seconds to find out where they are and what do they do..

Anyway, thanks to all other people who replied and gave me their tips.

I'm so sad that useless flamers who thinks they're better than others still lurks this forums..

The only way you can stop foes from running away from Burn is either having Ice Patch from Ice Melee set(as a tanker) or teaming with a dominator with an AoE immob/hold as a Brute.

As it currently is Burn is useful only for the immobilization resistance it gives, to avoid a team mate being meleed and to scatter mobs if you are surrounded, it's no more a damage power..

Hand clap would be the worst choice anyway as it knocks foes back radially from you.

You may try with Footstomp but it's nothing like Ice Patch even if it has a 100% knockup chance..

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And Phil, keep trolling if you want

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Yes please! xD

Ok, I decided to try my hand a bit: fire/empathy for me!

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Lusca, which is the only 'normal' GM in CoH which requires at least 2 teams to take down, with little to no debt.

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Made it the other night with 6 ppl and only 1 death
Like you said 'You need good handlers'

Hope this will give better results than the test in the Hive

Big grats to Goldem Golem for his 50, another one in a few days that dinged 50 in the Coalition, nice job mate!!

I've noticed you already signed up in the lvl 50 thread but there's not any congratualtion thread yet!!

Ok, looks like I'll play troller!
Always wanted to try one but i never got to..
Any preference for the secondary?(just not storm or sonic pls..)
I was thinking an Earth/Rad for some holding silliness or anythingelse/kin cos kin rulez as always :|
Any preference?