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Originally Posted by MajorPrankster

See, it's gems like these that make me giggle.

Condescending, derogatorry and inflammatory while not actually breaking any forum rules. Golden. Good show!

I understand why the cottage guideline exists. It has excellent qualities and helps in preventing horrible things that have happened to other games.

I understand that there is a non-infinite number of players that might yell on the boards if this or that power were removed or drastically altered.

I understand that there might even be lost revenue due to some subscribers leaving.

However, I do not agree with the assessment that the delta of lost revenue from breaking the cottage guideline is any greater than that caused by any other change in the game, if both have been done with an eye to the big picture.

Therefore, breaking the cottage rule, IMO, would have no more of a negative affect on the game than the changes made to Total Focus for example.

See, it possible to understand a viewpoint and disagree with it, all at the same time.

Originally Posted by New Dawn

Just because you don't find something useful doesn't mean that the cottage rule should be torn up and chucked in the bin.

I would unlike a lot of people, simply ask the Devs for a possible buff and trust in them with what they come up with because they are the only ones able to look at the full picture. Usually no forumite is good enough to look at the full picture.

Originally Posted by Stormbird

Yep, that certainly resembles your posts. Glad you realize it as well. Now why don't you try to be better? Or are you going for a forum ignore record?

Because I see you doing nothing but trolling and arguing, versus someone who has been widely helpful on the boards, who has gone out of his way to explain his side of things and has a history of helping out and, yes, standing up - even to the devs - for things that actually need fixing, despite people like you trolling him (most recently in the incarnate graphics thread.)

What have you done lately to actually help your fellow players? Because if this thread is any indication, the answer is probably "Less than nothing."

Originally Posted by UberGuy

Correlation does not always indicate causation.

Originally Posted by Stormbird

You've only made a case that you're resembling the picture above.

Originally Posted by Haetron

Doesn't work because tents and nightfall are in Soul Master Patron pool.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Those are not personal attacks.

PC_Guy calling you a troll? That is a personal attack.

Learn the difference.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Then you lack understanding of many things, and my opinion of you was correct. You were given a historical example of what happened the last time they tried, and why it was a bad idea, and you choose to ignore it.

You are, therefore, not worth further notice.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

So you'd have no problem with them changing your favorite powerset however they felt, regardless of how many people liked the powers as they were?

That's a bad idea. Having some restrictions keeps them from changing powers at a whim.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

The more you post, the more I think you're wanting nothing but a fight.

You say the rule needs to be removed. You must have SOMETHING in mind as to why. Your prior off-the-cuff examples, as well as the one I had to dig up on your behalf, ALL can be fixed without circumventing it. And yet you refuse to provide a single example.

All you're doing is proving the opinion I have of you - that you have zero understanding of the cottage rule - correct.

What power is so broken it needs to be completely removed and replaced, with justification as to why you feel that way.

You SAY you're wanting conversation. Yet all you're doing is dancing and attacking.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

We're asking for proof to back up your claim.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Let's see, I think it's fair to call that a personal attack from you. As well as, to various extents:



Attacking people who want powers they find useful to stay around so you can keep on your own desires, not to mention the rather immature "the crying will stop" nonsense.


Calling into question your understanding when you most obviously show a LACK of it is not a personal attack. You have yet to demonstrate an understanding of what you want removed. Saying "Yes I do!" is not that demonstration.



You have yet to demonstrate your understanding of the cottage rule, yet enjoy making these little snipes out the side of your mouth. So, really, don't get on me about "personal attacks," kiddo.


Look, more personal attacks FROM YOU. And yet you've made no real contribution to the discussion, or - as requested - listed a single power that's SO BROKEN the cottage rule should be thrown out.

You've listed some powers, and I've dug up ANOTHER you seem to have your sights on, and I've shown how those powers can be listed without breaking the cottage rule. You have yet to show your understanding of said rule or its purpose. OR provide the requested example, opting instead for... an attack.

So, frankly, pot, stop pointing your finger at what you think is a kettle and letting it know what color it is. And really - do let me know when you *are* ready to apologize. I won't hold my breath, though.

Originally Posted by PC_guy

...really?

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

So, in other words, you do not want an actual discussion.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Bill's not misunderstanding. You and the poster you quoted are.

Please tell us which powers are so broken to need removing from the game.

Then we'll show you how they are either 1) not actually broken or 2) able to be fixed without violating the cottage rule that you don't understand.

Originally Posted by Atomic_Toy_Guy

I agree seems like something like this could work well:

Primary
1. Dark Blast
2. Gloom
3. Dark Obliteration
4. Aim
5. Tenebrous Tentacles
6. Night Fall
7. Moonbeam
8. Petrifying Gaze
9. Blackstar

Secondary
1. Gravimetric Snare
2. Smite
3. Shadow Maul
4. Build Up
5. Death Shroud
6. Dark Consumption
7. Life Drain (or) Siphon Life
8. Torrent
9. Midnight Grasp

Originally Posted by MajorPrankster

I just love it when someone cannot understand that disagreeing does not mean mis-understanding.

Personally, I completely understand both side of the cottage rule argument and I still think the cottage rule should be abolished.

Yes, it will upset some players, but so does every change.

Yes, it will cause some forum rage, but so does every change.

In some cases, the cottage rule really needs to go because big mistakes were made, IMO, and nothing short of removing powers will fix it.

Disagreeing with the developers clinging to it does not mean I do understand why they do, even if I don't make a post with circles and arrows and diagrams.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Did you pay attention to the bit about PPPs and what happened the LAST time they broke said rule?

No?

Or did you just ignore it to make this still-obviously-blind-to-the-purpose post? Since you still show absolutely zero understanding. As well as zero empathy for your fellow players.

WILL the devs break said rule? Probably, at some point. IF they see a power that needs fixing SO badly that a simple tweak to numbers or secondary effects won't cut it. Note, that is NOT knockback/down. That is NOT self-shielding. That would be, oh, having a Blaster with an aura designed to draw aggro while debuffing the blaster's resistance, to go to an extreme (and obviously not in the game) example.

Learn what it is and how it applies, if at all, to what you want - which it probably doesn't. And get a clue or three. YOU may not like a power. You have every right to skip it or take another powerset. Descriptions of the powers exist as you create the character.

Originally Posted by New Dawn

Everyone has an opportunity to research a powerset before taking a powerset. If you realise you don't like something you picked then its no one elses fault nor problem. The main thing is that nothing is changed so badly somebody who likes what they picked gets something that isn't what it's supposed to be.

Originally Posted by je_saist

Bull Manure.

I don't think Memphis Bill called you wrongly on this.

The Cottage rule can be summed up very simply with one question:

Does your modification remove an enhancement type?

If you answered: Yes

Then you have broken the cottage rule.

If you answered: No

Then you haven't broken the cottage rule.

Now, I'm going to be very blunt here Jay. You need to go read this thread: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=264829



To be clear Jay, you and every other player that wants to remove the cottage rule so you can run about making your Bloody Tank Mages and have the absolutely most perfect character ever with no flaws...

Need to go find a different Game. We won't let you pull that stunt with our game.