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Quote:I will clarify:But you said that the ending ends up justifying the background and screen time we're given with Banner's father, but when the resolution isn't a resolution at all then the pieces that were put in place for it just end up claiming valuable time that could have been better used.
You said "The thing about those bits was they didn't go anywhere" and never mentioned the ending.
I replied "No they do, the whole point to that was to indicate how much emotion he kept to himself - Betty goes into detail about it - he discusses how the nanomeds fixed him physically but she asks about psychological repair. When he finally changes, he talks about how it kind of scares him when he totally loses control, because he likes it. He FINALLY gets to release all that pent up emotion which required a full back story to make any sense.
His first change is triggered mostly by current events and they only hint twice about his childhood. I think they only showed those because he was remembering his reintroduction to his father in the hospital. "
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Quote:Yeah, I am not sure you read the original post about the ending.So for the film that's supposedly deeper, the whole resolution to Banner discovering his ****** up background is the Hulk passing on his pent-up emotions as green energy to his mutated father who just kind of shrinks away from it? As opposed to a confrontation in their normal forms where Banner forgives his father or explodes on him while keeping his transformation in check.
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Quote:Yep, I have some similar thoughts. The first movie wasn't designed for fans of Michael Bay unlike the second.Whether you or I liked it or not, the whole point is that these psychological issues were the cause for the monster inside Banner.
That is why it is in the first movie. It's not additional subplot, this take was about that type of developmental trauma causing massive psychological issues... add in the comicbook gamma accident/experiments and you have a super-powered Jekyll and Hyde psychological thriller...
In theory.
I've been wanting to watch the first movie again for a while. I've only seen it once, when I saw it in the theatre on opening night.
I felt there were things wrong with it. I don't think they succeeded in what they were trying to do. I don't think I disliked it for all the same reasons as many others did.
And I honestly was left wondering if that movie was the end result of two sides (director and studio) pulling in different directions.
I enjoyed the second movie, but it felt a bit weak to me... Vapid, perhaps.
Plus... Jennifer Connelly shouldn't (can't!!) be replaced!!
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Quote:Your best bet is to use standard Ammo for the KD effects until you have enough defense set bonuses that you can leave your ammo set to fire. When set to fire the DoT effects raises your total damage up to the point where it is finally on par with the Energy primary.
This only makes sense if you never team. Fire all the way unless you solo. -
Yeah that scene was for comic relief I think, it was a little weird. I don't know if he died though, it looked like he just got thrown a little ways.
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No they do, the whole point to that was to indicate how much emotion he kept to himself - Betty goes into detail about it - he discusses how the nanomeds fixed him physically but she asks about psychological repair. When he finally changes, he talks about how it kind of scares him when he totally loses control, because he likes it. He FINALLY gets to release all that pent up emotion which required a full back story to make any sense.
His first change is triggered mostly by current events and they only hint twice about his childhood. I think they only showed those because he was remembering his reintroduction to his father in the hospital. -
I think he did that for a reason, because in that version Bruce could remember everything even though he wasn't in control. He said he got enjoyment out of running wild as the Hulk, (what scares me the most ~ I like it) losing control. I think he stressed that quite a bit - how his mother described Bruce as being bottled up - once the change occurs he can finally let his emotions loose that he buried all the way up until he was an adult.
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Oh, you are judging the movie based on how close it was to mirroring the comic. I understand. The scene where The Hulk calls Bruce a puny human and grabs him from the mirror is probably being forgotten amongst the rest of the story.
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Quote:That's because he wasn't exposed to the nanomeds which were activated by the gamma radiation. There was plenty of hints of the trauma though - you are forgetting the scene where he was high school age, waking up shaking from nightmares. You are forgetting all of the scenes showing how much difficulty he had in opening up to Betty, which basically caused her to dump him.But there was no split or hints of trauma prior to the accident that made him the Hulk. The fact that he had to keep his anger in check at all times or he'd risk becoming an unstoppable mass murderer should have been trauma enough but they felt the need to have him remember that his dad killed his mom just so that revelation would go nowhere. And they turned The Absorbing Man into his dad just to force a personal relationship between the hero and the villain.
It wouldn't hurt watching it again with an open mind.
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Quote:Depends on which version, since the hulk has had so many alterations. In this one he is more like the original, more base/raw emotion like an animal.First Hulk sucked. If you try to go for a psychological aspect in a Hulk movie, you should focus on the Hulk/Banner dynamic before you try tackling daddy issues. In the first one, Hulk wasn't as much of a character as he was a temper tantrum, and I know Hulk is pure rage, but he is still his own character.
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Quote:You kidding?The Hulk in the first movie had no weight to his feats. Everything he did was too floaty/lacking impact.
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Quote:Yeah you are pretty spot on. I think people believe the same thing about The Incredibles - that they could do a sequel quite easily as there wasn't much action as the actual superheroes they were.First movie was very Ang Lee. Deconstruct a genre and rebuild it from the ground up. It had super jumping (as in miles) Hulk. It had ripping tanks apart Hulk. It had supersized Hulk. And it went into the psyche of the Hulk. It also was beautifully shot with loads of pretty desert midwestern scenery.
Downside it had a Hulked out poodle. It had Nick Nolte's week Absorbing Man as a final boss. It had an too abstract final fight.
The newer movie did have more of the Banner/Hulk on the run vibe that was mirrored from the old TV series but with huge Hulk ripping cars in half to use as boxing gloves. We get a Hulk stomp, we get a Hulk hand slap to put out fires.
The first movie wasn't as action pack as some may have wanted from a comic book movie and the second movie had enough to keep everyone happy.
Now if they can only get their Hulk model to look better. There is still something about it that screams "CGI MODEL". We've all seen better looking CGI characters mixed in with live action. Want to bet all the Hulk fights will be at night or in dark areas in the rain for the Avengers.
To be honest, I thought Hulk seemed way stronger than The Incredible Hulk when it came to feats. I mean he threw a tank like it was a toy. He ripped off a missle head with his mouth and spit the explosive like a spitball. The Hulk also did a stomp in the lab against an air tank, but then also did a ground pound that caused a mini-earthquake flipping cars down the street. I thought it was GREAT how he grew bigger mid-fight in The Hulk the angrier he got. The Incredible Hulk got dizzied from one hit by the Abomination, whereas The Hulk fell from the edge of our atmosphere into the ocean, and decided to dig through San Francisco's underground for a couple of miles before emerging. -
Quote:I think the struggle is the key. Betty is told what happened (so that the audience can relate to her and understand) and it is such a powerful image in Bruce's life that even getting near that incident in his memory has caused a psychotic break - the split in personality gives hints to himself of his alter ego when he nears that incident in his memory several times.It's not really smarter, deeper, or more cerebral when it comes to the father/absorbing hobo storyline since there's no actual process of Banner coming to grips with what he witnessed and such.
I like the shots of the various animals that were experimented with to make him what he is as he gets nearer to rage - very nice touch.
I thought Nick Nolte was also good in this role, but again the ending was terrible.
They basically pushed a couple of buttons to create the incredible hulk and the abomination, it was kind of laughable. Even the TV show pilot had way more to it. (David) had an odd DNA abnormality like several other people did but in a moment of crisis, he couldn't save his wife, and later he finds out it was due to low gamma radiation from the sun during that incident. The lab boys were expanding the capabilities of all the equipment at the time, and they had not tested the new limits for the radiation machine when David decided to give himself a potency he thought was limited to 1000 on a dial. He finds out the next day that he actually took a dose of 1 million. -
Nah, I think fans of the 2nd movie really dislike the idea of a deeper character with the psychological problems that he had involving his father, which is closer to the comic. The 2nd movie had more CG action if you are into that over storyline.
I'm also a huge fan of Danny Elfman, which was icing on the cake. -
Here's another vote for Energy Aura. It works pretty well IMO as it is, and we will have to see what the changes do to it overall.
KM/EA has been pretty fun. -
I recently re-watched both Hulk movies and even considering everything, I have to say I really like the first Ang Lee version better. The ending is stupid, and there were a couple of odd shots of mold in some scenes, but everything else about that movie was just smart and made for a better story.
I get it about The Incredible Hulk (2nd movie) though - lots of us are nostalgic for the TV show version, which this tries to emulate in several ways. It just isn't the same - it is full of more fluff in my opinion. Ed Norton did a good job, don't get me wrong. -
...not to mention the massive, massive difference in end cost between burn and dark regen.
I can only speak as a fire/fire scrapper, but I do ridiculous amounts of damage and I am survivable enough to look past any squishiness. I kind of ruined the archetype for myself though, because no other combo makes me feel so awesome. -
Quote:Ok, so Opera has failed it in distant instead of recent past. I hate Opera.Nope, Opera has been pretty much passing Acid Tests for a few years now. Chrome passes it too.
Opera has been my main browser since V5 or 6. Chrome and Firefox are my fallbacks and IE is the dirty thing I have to test with at the end because end-users are silly (I still have to allow for IE6 for heavens sakes). -
That sounds delicious, provided one can survive. I have one but he's in the 30s I think.
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Quote:Well, I don't skip powers based on solo ability. I team up with people as often as I can, and you run into immobilize/hold powers from teammates quite often even on PUGs. I also have web envelope from Black Scorpion.Maybe ignite is better on a corruptor, but ever since the "fix" they implemented on it. I have been contemplating dropping it on my blaster. The amount of time it takes to Web Grenade an enemy and then line up the Ignite patch under them is just too much of Pain in the Rear for my liking, especially if I can't spam it like I used to be able to. But I can see where the scourge factor might make it better, especially during AV fights where you don't have to Web Grenade them to get them to stand in it like a dumb git.
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I like Chrome a lot. I haven't tested it recently, but the main reason I haven't switched from FF is because in the past it bogged way down after a long session simply switching focus on tabs.
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Quote:Which version?I still regularly act as a technician and, guess what, most of the viral removals I have to deal with relate to IE.
Quote:Heck, I rarely use IE, I have higher than standard Internet settings in IE, I know and use best practices when it comes to phishing/using unknown software and I still found a vector that was embedded in the registry. The vector changed the registry stating the user-agent to a javascript. Installing IE 9 didn't change the user-agent. I had to manually do that myself.
Quote:You realize that is like saying that someone is less evil now than they used to be because they only maim people instead of killing them, right?
Anyways, I am not here to argue for the browser outside of the idea that it is still super unsecure for those that don't keep up with things.