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I've seen 60 month vet toons that play like a nooblet.

July 18th. It says so in their calendar. If you guys would actually go back about a year, they marked it in their Calendar for July 18th this year.

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everyone should have only one character

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I thought you were suggesting that everyone should literally share one single character. That would actually make more sense. City of Hero would no longer have name collisions, because there would only be one name. City of Hero would no longer have outlier performance, because by definition everyone would have exactly median performance. And powerset balance becomes largely moot. PL would also become a moot point quickly enough.

The level of discourse on the forums would also significantly improve. No more PvP arguments. No more build arguments. No more "role" arguments. No more powerset proliferation demands. No more "devs hate villains" conspiracy theories (they'd be replaced by "devs hate the only character that exists" theories).

It would start to give the game a bit of a LaMOE feel, and I think the day job badges would become largely out of the question, but that's a small price to pay.

Letting everyone have at least one, much less two characters of their own opens the door to a lot of problems. Its really a half-measure at best.

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I'm assuming this is sarcasm. >.>

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a) Are you guys just using Tanks? I got a scrapper that gets down but even he cant last that long solo.Quite frankly I'm a blaster at heart(my main heroes are blasters) and God KNOWS he cant solo no farm by himself. Unless the badguys were created to be superweak. lol

b)It's not a challenge or fun anymore because the devs lowered the amount of xp/rewards you get? Cant you still make/do a AE mission with swarms of guys and still have fun?


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a) I use Fire/Kin, Tank, and a blaster, sometimes a scrapper.

b) I play this game for rewards. Not for story. And yes, I still have fun.

Okay, I stand corrected...this might the silliest thing I've ever read yet....on these forums.

Nothing against you Ninja, however, I really dislike LOW LEVEL PvP. Brawl ftw? T_T

Lame. Anything below 50 is pretty lame. Considering the fact that you can't repeat ATs. Lame event for the PvPEC to throw together. Tell the person in charge that they should think of better events.

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Honestly, I couldn't care less what you do with your toons or how you play the game.

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Wow, that's a quick flip-flop from your previous post, where you stated

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No one should power level. Ever. Period.

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free advice:

Mounting a soapbox to make sanctimonious, absolute declarations is a really bad way to demonstrate indifference & tolerance.

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Was just about to quote him, but you beat me to it! STop farming your post count! :P

-_-

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Of course, not all PLers feel that way, any more than 99% of players PL. I suppose I'm just tired of being told that I'm lying and that I really agree with a practice I detest. 'Cause I don't.

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Ahh. Alrighty then. Understood. Yeah, the whole "putting words in my mouth" thing is pretty annoying.

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Um, wait just a minute. What grinding? I mean, come on, man. The missions and story arcs and TFs/SFs throughout the game have great stories. Why is it such a grind to level for people like you? Because you make it that way.


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Ever occur to you that he might've tried to? But nonetheless, if he wanted a story, he'd read an actual book or comic book or what not? Maybe he just likes to pwn things? Next thing you'll say, this game isn't for you. Please. He pays his sub. He'll play the way he plays. Period.

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Why is it that the pro-PL people always seem to try to make this argument? "Everyone does it" or "All of you have done it at one time or another" or "You people who don't do it are just jealous and wish you could be doing it". Very presumptuous, very arrogant and completely wrong.


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That's not the main argument pro-PL people have. Their main argument is that stop imposing a "self righteous holier than thou" attitude that anti-Farm folks have regarding farming.

If they exploit, so what? They'll get caught. If they get more 50s in their account, so what? They're paying for their way of gaming. The Devs will do what is necessary to limit that, but to think that everyone SHOULD "slow" down as opposed to just zerging everything because slowing down is HOW the game is supposed to be played is stupid.

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this game isnt hard to play lol
People dont wanna waste their life away grinding.
99% of the people who play this game PL & its been like that since I started this game yrs ago.

GL to them trying to nerf PL.

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Nerf PL? Already been done with most every 'well known' exploit in tha game. And that's where the Devs appear to draw that line. Plus it really depends on your definition of PL. As an adjunct of Power Gaming; no Developer will ever successfully remove Power Leveling from any game which employs 'levels'. It is part and parcel of the Power Gaming paradigm.

As far as limiting areas of Power Gaming such as exponentially faster leveling or garnering of rewards; again, this has already been done, and could be done again. Whether that would be good for MA or the game as a whole remains to be seen. To be consistent though, the Devs will have to nerf or remove major exploitable content whenever it is identified.

There are still AE farms out there that give the 'broken' Rikti Comm style XP out there (apparently), and gathering a good mix of ATs for a highpowered session of gaming will always make the leveling ratio nudge into PL territory, but then it is only a matter of degree at that point.

Where I see the Community's problem with this is twofold:
<ul type="square">[*]Some have found that these 'n00bish' 50's detract from the gaming experience (read: fun) because they have little to no experience or skill playing their toons effectively in a team environment. How could they? They never 'played' as a team member. The Community is correct. At least, until the n00b learns how to play his toon which depends on how much the n00b puts into his PL'd toon. Some will become good teammates; many (if not most) will not.

My POV: the one's who do not get a clue wouldn't have learned or stayed with the game even if they doubled the amount of XP/time it took to get to 50; so the actual effect on the game (and fun) is negligible.
[*]Some will say that their ability to find a non-farm team and 'normal' gameplay is diminished; making the game less enjoyable overall. And that these AE teams should be forced out into the light to team 'like everyone else.'

My POV: this is shortsighted. As I and others have stated: MA is big shiny, but the shine will wear off, and a number will return to 'normal' play. I don't think that all of them will because frankly many people are bored with the older content, and MA delivers a new path which indeed the Devs even advertise as 'a player can go from level 1 to 50 doing only AE missions'.

Patience is the virtue which will be tested for the players with this mindset, but all signs point to the shine wearing off (albeit slowly) as expected.[/list]
A final note that I cannot stress enough to those who wish the Devs to so nerf/gimp MA as to force players out into regular teams: if you think that the Plers and farmers will make teaming easier or teams more available and fun, you are wrong. First: they will not team with you if you are strict in how you wish a team to run. Second: you really don't want to team with them because they will most likely never conform to your idea of normal, fun gameplay.

Now as far as 99% of players PLing? Ridiculous... for the msot part. I don't even think that 50% of the playerbase even PowerGames. They will gladly garner a little extra XP here and there, or even truly PL if they feel stuck in level overly long, but once they get over whatever personal obstacle that normal gameplay has imposed on them they return to normal play readily.

But even the Devs cannot 'force' this upon them. So, don't worry or fret about it.

Farm, or do not. There is no whine.

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This is my EXACT sentiment. Well said Ninus.

I PL! because the pre 35 content is lame.

He deleted his post. lol

I don't like long arcs. I don't care much for story. I play this game for rewards. If I wanted a story, I'd read a book.

Only way I'd do a long arc is from actual dev content, and if I have time.

Overall, shorter arc = faster to gain rewards rather than sit there through a long arc.

This is, of course, just MY opinion and my preference.

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I like to power level when I am bored of the content.

What are you gonna do about it?

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Do a lil dance!

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That has to be the "stupidest" thing I've ever read in my entire life.

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Good for you. LOL

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Yarly. Cos the poster didn't make sense.

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Farmers Union Network

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Don't be Sheep, people! Follow the true way of bad haircuts, black clothing, and acidic humor!

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that sounds infinitely more entertaining than your brand of conformity, preaching the "right" way to play from your soapbox and mindlessly following Daddy's rules because, uh, well, he's DADDY.

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Is there no middleground anymore? Either nobody should powerlevel for any reason no matter what, or all bets should be off and everyone should have the ability to powerlevel so hard that someone who just installed the game can go from 1-50 in 30 minutes by accident? All people who follow rules are mindless sheep and doing so just because they're conformists? And the only alternative is to be a rebel who disobeys all rules because it's cool and those people in charge don't know what they're doing anyway?

Yeesh.

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Pretty much.

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Don't skip things until you know what you're skipping. The game does take a fair bit of learning, simply due to the complexity involved.



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This game is easy. I learned more about the game in MID's than I did reading the crap in game.

Even then, this game is still easy to learn. It's not rocket science, and at the same time it's not overwhelming either.

This game is easy. Very easy.

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To the Forumites: Keep sane, keep rational, keep logical. Think Spock, not Kirk.


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I'm too much of a Kirk to ever be like a Spock. Kirk ftw.

I'd rather have supposed lack of end game content, rather than go through the "crap" imho, that is "content" in lower levels. That's my playstyle.

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If that is true, which it's not, then there's zero reason to think they'll stay in the game if they bypass content entirely.


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Another assumption. Maybe they find leveling to 50 fun? Without doing "content"? And if they did, so what? o_O

If they quit, they quit. If they don't, they don't. It's easy to say "if they just played and learned the game they wouldn't quit." I did that with WarHammer. Guess what, still didn't stay. Why? Because overall the game regardless of "content" didn't interest me overall. I couldn't get past the low level crap that I had to endure.

Each person is different. Sure, it's bad if a NOOB PLs without really knowing the game mechanics, but so the [censored] what? If they quit, they quit. If they don't, they don't. There are way too many variables to consider to make a statement such as:

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If newbies PLing either 1) causes them to leave the game earlier than they would have otherwise, thus denying them of the long-term potential cash flow of their subscription fees, or 2) causes other players to leave the game, thus resulting in a net loss in fees, then it's just plain not going to happen.


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Seriously...folks....let it friggin go. Should they PL? Whatever, they pay their subs. That's all there is to it.