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Nope. Nothing of the sort. To be perfectly honestly, I'm surprised you didn't expect some sort of betrayal. It's the villain thing to do isn't it? Since when would villains completely trust other villains (especially given who Baron was employing: Devilfish)? And to say it's "old" and "gives headaches" is a bit laughable considering your very own story included such a double-cross (Devilfish double-crossing Baron and Phanto). But then perhaps it's because you wrote it in.

And speaking of Devilfish, you might want to talk to Devilfish/Noisebomb/whatever-he-goes-by and ask how he supposedly came by the information of Shogun's other double-dealings, which took place likely either before Devilfish existed in-game, or where it wasn't possible for the character to ever be aware of those events.

What I did doesn't even remotely match godmodding. Shogun was given explicit information, which he acted on by means of turning it over to the people it would mean something to. None of the information he gave was something he shouldn't have known, nor did it fall outside the scope of what Shogun was capable of doing. If by "godmodding" you mean "acting consistent with the character's personality" then you're right. That's exactly

Anyway, once again, you're overreacting. As I said before (and I'll say again), I don't really mind that nothing happened. I made a casual, non-chalant lament over something that happpened (or rather, didn't happen), and you act like I apparently tried to trample all over your story.

For starters you say "participate" but seriously, what "participation" took place? As Premonitions said, it was less a story and more a "violent social gathering", because, and let's be honest, anyone who wasn't part of the specific group in your script had no bearing on your story. No matter who did or didn't show, everything would've taken place exactly as you planned.

Once again, I probably expected what I come to expect from any RP these days:

1) A group is involved in a plot or story
2) Characters in this plot take actions
3) There are reactions to the actions taken in step 2
4) Plot progresses or changes based on these actions.

My comment which started this argument was a casual, non-chalant lamentation of the fact Step 3 didn't take place and Step 4 simply became "Plot progresses". I've never done these sorts of massive group events prior to this, and also had no idea as to the scope of it. On top of that, the few people who knew of Shogun's betrayal expressly stated "If Phanto finds out you did this, you're screwed." which lead me to believe that yes, my actions would have consequences (which I was okay with). I was slightly disappointed to discover this was not the case.

Nope. I've participated in public events before, but again, nothing of this size. As I said, I'm use to smaller or more focused groups, and usually PvP never factors into it. Conflicts are resolved via RP-text rather than game mechanics. I confess, RP-text on an event this big would be unfeasible, but then I conversely feel PvP isn't really representative of characters, but I'll just chalk that up to personal bias.

However, the "How awesome we are" comes into the main point. At what point in your event, supposedly marketed for "open participation", and advertised as being a "choice between sides" did the members NOT part of your scripted group actually effect anything or play into your plot?

By your own admission you believe I was attempting to have the story altered from the ground up around Shogun's double-cross. But ANYONE, not just me, could've tried to take actions during the story to see something happen, or like me, because they wanted to be more active. But...

You want people to just watch your story while they run around PvPing. I wouldn't call that "participation", I'd call that "reading a book", "watching the movie" or "munching popcorn during the movie". Sure it's entertaining, but it's not "engaging with the story" nor is it "participation"

And I'll admit, my enjoyment of the event was soiled by the fact I was playing on a character who expressly CANNOT function in a PvP worth a crap. I'm pretty sure I was the only Mastermind in that event, and since Misnomer was capable of OHKOing me with a Hidden Crit School of Shark with Purple/PvP damage procs slotted (Wooo for combat log!), I think you can understand my dismay.

On top of the "RP" part being essentially what I do every other day that wasn't this event on Shogun, I couldn't even do anything with the "PvP" part of this "RP-PvP" thing, since all anyone on the opposing side had to do was breathe on me and I would keel over. Perhaps that's partially my fault for playing a character ill-suited to a part of the game that's mostly broken anyway, but at the same time, how am I supposed to "participate" in an event like this when expressly invited?

(I won't even go into the fact Shogun has no rivalries or grudges going into the Event, nor was there anyone specifically out to get him or who disliked him beyond the fact he's Redside. Shogun's a little too Genre Savvy (As anyone who as RPed with him will say) to go around being a cliche villain and antagonize everyone in sight. If I'd TRULY wanted to be internally consistent, Shogun would've either not shown up at all, or shown up and gone out of his way to try and sabotage the plan even MORE. Which, for the record, isn't godmodding, but then you don't know enough about the character to know that, I think, since you call Shogun's double-cross "godmodding")

In any event, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your story thing killed a few hours on the weekend, but overall I think you could've done things better. And you think I've got some fixation with being THE MAN. No sense in arguing the point further.

You have a point. Perhaps I was expecting a bit more than could be delivered. And there was the fact I was playing a Mastermind in a PvP zone (a surefire recipe for being utterly useless) that lead me to feeling more like this was a chore than anything fun.

And then I discovered that this nifty thing I'd been doing with my character (the Shogun), which was when he felt his interests were threatened to inform the heroes of what was going on, had absolutely no bearing whatsoever. I'm use to RP being much more of an involved thing, even if it was PvP.

And I'll be honest, I dislike PvP. The Arena is broken, and I don't spec my characters to be able to readily compete. However, the fact this was advertised as an RP-type thing kept me from just bowing out altogether.

And you're right, the "violent social mixer" was definitely what was going on. I had a different interpretation of what was going to happen, which I'll concede was my fault. I mean, if you wanted an "excuse plot" to call villains out though and get into a big-*** brawl, I could think of things that didn't come off as big story events.



I still think Xanatos' reaction to my casual comment that Shogun's attempt to mix things up ICly with his double-cross didn't go through was a little overdoing it. I didn't mind that much that nothing happened. Just a off-hand lament at the lack of the ability to participate outside of beating people up.

Which honestly, I do in PvE all the time. The fact that this time the people happened to be PCs rather than NPCs didn't do much to change what was going on, a glorified mission. I like being in a story, not just a bystander to it. And here I felt especially like nothing but a bystander. I could've done nothing but stand around and banter and it would be the same. Hell I -tried- bantering and just got killed for my efforts (my fault for being an AT that is balls in PvP zones)

The hilarious (in a tragic sense) part is the fact Shogun's attempt had no effect then means there's also no consequence.

Overall, I wasn't hoping to cause any sweeping changes, so much as I hoping that SOMETHING would happen. What happened here was basically the same as what happens in D every night: Posturing and threats. Only this time people actually threw punches in a place that actually ALLOWS for it.

I suppose it was my fault for expecting something different.

...No it's not. Only 2.1 is right now.

I don't see why. You can purchase them on an appropriate character from Ouroborous. And if it's the fact it's costumes gated behind Incarnate Content, then there's still alternatives (Dark Astoria).

If the issue is that it's a locked costume set, well...that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

Actually, Calvin Scott's delusion has EVERYTHING to do with it. And why the "Or not?" It's clear in retrospect that he was in fact delusional and that, like Posi said, there were subtle hints of that delusion all over the place. And one of Calvin's primary driving reasons for founding and leading the Resistance was in fact that specific delusion (that he was married to Aurora Borealis).

So really, had Calvin Scott not being a delusional psycho, the circumstances might have been completely different.

We had one person suggest that the reason we couldn't beat Tyrant was too much melee. No, the issue was that folks were dropping the Lights fast enough or getting out of the way when the warning about the Lightning Flow came up. It's a matter of pure incompetency on the player's part. Just like how Keyes in the first week was supposedly nigh impossible and caused players to weep.

Because for whatever reason, no matter how you give instructions, people will NOT listen unless they feel like it.

@Bionic Flea: To my knowledge Pets are immune to Lightning Flow completely. I've seen multiple sets of Mastermind Pets sit in the DoT. It's the same way as MoM functions. Pets are immune to the patches.

You're right, but the idea is NOT to go for the easy way and just say "lol Cole = Hitler", but that's obviously NOT the case.

As I recall, Hitler wasn't the sole super-powered being capable to beating the Hamidon to a draw and had to make a truce just to keep all of humanity from going extinct.

Then what you have is a very narrow and precise definition of what a Moral Event Horizon is. Scirocco is a terrorist despite mitigating circumstances, but Manticore has the free will to choose but gets a free pass.

Face it. You don't believe in Face Heel Turns because your idea of when someone goes over the Moral Event Horizon is very, VERY limited. You seem to believe that "once a villain, always a villain." And you have a zero tolerance policy on the idea of redemption.

Not to mention comparing Cole to Hitler and Nazi Germany is punching the Godwin's Law button and mashing it as hard as you can.

Well good.

If you be Rularuu, we didn't lock it up. The Dream Doctor did, using a weapon that was the ONLY means to deal with him.

So, that's your opinion then, yes? Because the Destroyers aren't a reliable sources of information, last I recall. Do we have any hard evidence that it wasn't Hamidon that killed off supers during the war?

But they're not. What have the devs said time and time again about CoX as a whole? "The game is balanced around SOs." I believe was the line. And that's true.

IOs are great for min-maxing, but hardly a pre-requisite for completion.

This. I'm the opposite of addicted. I have an aversion to playing the same sets repeatedly, because then I feel that I'm not getting the chance to experiment properly. Only time I've repeated a set is /Dark on MMs because well...conceptually it works fine, and it's a great set.