IronAlex

Originally Posted by PC_guy

even if they do, i think that'd be a fair price to keep them going. with inherent stamina on top of the recov bonus that forms give I can't imagine it being all that much of a problem.

Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe

Um, no. All that isn't necessary. Giving nova attacks a direct damage increase in lieu of a buff and give dwarf form psionic and toxic resistance is all that's required to bring the forms in line with the human form at this point.

The LAST thing we need is to overcomplicate it.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Peacebringers will be capable of gaining a small amount of mez protection outside of dwarf through the use of Light Form. That much isn't new, but what is new is that Light Form will now be on the same uptime ratio as Eclipse, which means it can be made permanent.

It also persists through forms now too.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Does it mean I'm playing it "right" and you're playing it "wrong?" The only reason I'm going to say you're playing it at all "wrong" is that you don't seem to be enjoying it, and that's purely objective, not subjective. It's not running a tank without armor or mez protection and trying to be a blaster - that's subjectively wrong (and scary.) It's... a vibe, I guess, and I could well be misreading you. I just wonder if I play closer to the *devs* idea of how it should play (even past devs) and fewer of the regular posters do - much like how they've admitted being thrown by the power players have shown using IOs in ways and to levels they didn't expect.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

So your definition of "Acceptably playable" is (from the situation mentioned, solo) +4 and/or x8 versus some of the harder groups in the game?

Explains a lot. That's not "Acceptably playable." That's nowhere close to a realistic baseline.

Originally Posted by Tabcef

try this against +4 malta, carnies, knives or circle

heck, try this against +0 of any of those groups (at x8)

you are gonna be glad you took that dwarf form

and then not so glad when your light form crashes

it's kinda funny that the old scrapper challenge is the only baseline pbs can function at with full IO slotting when nowadays a scrapper would tear through them like paper. i really don't like the idea that these buffs are the only ones PBs are getting, nor do i like the idea that they bring peacebringers on par with any other archetype (because they don't).

they're not even close to enough to bringing PBs to any acceptably playable level to anyone outside of fanatics like everyone posting in this thread.

Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe

...for human form.

That being said, give Nova comparable direct damage to the powers in lieu of the 45% damage boost and give Dwarf Psi resistance and I'd have MUCH less opinion.

Originally Posted by Tabcef

i just wanted to say after specifically rebuilding, and playing a peacebringer on the beta server that the buffs are almost hilarious in how much of a joke they are.

at firsthand glance they seem great because you're running capped resist, and 40%-115% damage (with IOs) all the time alongside having 30+% defense through IOs are stuff.

the issue is that the crash in light form is really, REALLY significant. even with permanent light form that small gap for the animation of light form playing will get you iced faster than before, alongside losing the majority of your health/endurance if you're not sitting at full (and in my case, i rarely am as i chug end like CRAZY since peacebringer powers happen to cost a ton of endurance alongside the several toggles that are run for defense)

so you'll be trucking along barely able to damage enemies (because a constant 40% buff to damage is still worthless to weak/slow attacks) when whoops your light form crashed and you don't have any endurance also you're being held now whoops you're dead

also the mez protection is pretty much only barely useful since it's a whopping 3 points which means once you run into any of the higher level groups in any significant number you get held/stunned/mezzed and die anyways. thank god in my respec i took dwarf fo- oh wait no light form just crashed again welp i'm dead

Originally Posted by LuxunS

Slash followed by Shatter armor. Unless something has changed since I stopped pvping, Shatter armor doesn't crit from hide.

Originally Posted by IronAlex

/AGREE WITH THIS 100%!!!!

PVP is for people who want to pvp.. people who are bored of fighting npc, people who want to fight against an opponent that can out think them.. people who like to think up different ways to build a toon. the min maxer, the people who just farm, lvl, or get accolades, just so that they have a edge in pvp..

pvp is for pvpers.. not people who might want to pvp but scared of making their superman clone loose to a bunny rabbit looking toon who happens to be a skilled player.. if they are not going in it now.. they are not going to go in for this..

Originally Posted by PC_guy

also if i13 taught us anything, it was the idea of trying to get pver's, whether they be carebears, RPers, badgers, whatever, to engage in pvp is a really really really bad idea.

Originally Posted by Microcosm

I agree they don't need to be like VEATs, but Dwarf does not work all that great for a pb for the reasons I stated above: minorly higher resistance, loss of any defense, can hit hp cap in human off-and-on, and lower damage. It should very clearly be tougher than human form, but it is not in the case of pb's. (Warshades can't cap their hp in human form, so they don't have this issue).

Originally Posted by Aneko

I'm going to ask this again before checking other threads. Does anyone have the Polar Lights' Borealis Essence, especially the third-tier untouchable version, and does it use Glowing Touch? Mine never has, that I've seen.