Irish Fury

Originally Posted by makerian

That's why, I might focus on end (Cardiac) if you're running multiple toggles (like say Tough/Weave + your set toggles). In the beginning, it's probably the one you will notice after actively running a map. The rest, maybe sometimes, but you're probably already slotting Acc and Dam and Recharge Reduction, if you're running Hasten with 60%+ global recharge, then you're doing fine in that area as well, I'd guess.

If nothing else, more end reduction let's you be a little sloppier, run more toggles, use high end draining attacks all the time with less regard for your end bar. Sometimes, the end bar really can be a limiter (it's what it's designed to do, hence the reason why so many people think Stamina was required) to going all out and building up that Fury bar.

Originally Posted by Flower

However, also keep in mind that the rare (1/2) and very rare (2/3) Alpha have greater exemptions from ED so even though now you may not get much from it you may still want to start down the path on the tree because the rewards will be greater later.

Originally Posted by makerian

Here's the second non-intuitive thing, though. The power you chose was the worst possible power to choose to measure recharge reduction. That's because Hasten's power is to reduce recharge while it's active, so it's affecting what you're measuring while you're measuring it... Second, it's not already perma, so when it shuts off briefly, that .7 in your denominator disappears.

So in your actual results, your hasten downtime is affected by Hasten itself shutting off after 120 seconds. The remaining time before it recharges is calculated differently (it's more like #5 above, not #6).

That means, without Hasten already perma, you are probably seeing most of those 3.72 seconds being 'eaten up' by the loss of the .7 recharge in hasten, while only receiving a little extra boost from the Spiritual. See, the Spritual has 5/6 affected by ED, but hasten gives you it's full 100%, .7, without ED penalties. So that brief window when Hasten is down is a real noticeable hit on all the recharges in your long recharge powers, including Hasten itself.

Originally Posted by Korith

Moar Maths!

Hasten Recharge:
99.1% from IOs
9.6% from Alpha Slot
62.5% from Global Recharge
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171.2% Recharge (Normal)

70% from Hasten for 120s
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241.2% Recharge for 120s

Hasten has a "normal" recharge time of 450 seconds.
+Recharge effectively multiplies the number of seconds a power recharges in real time

First 120s: 120 x (1 + 2.412) = 409.44 seconds of recharging

This leaves 40.56s of "normal" charging time at 171.2% recharge


Remaining time: 40.56 / (1 + 1.712) = 15.0s


Without your Alpha slot (the "Before" recharge)
161.6% Normal Recharge
231.6% Recharge for 120s

First 120s: 120 x (1 + 2.316) = 397.92 seconds of recharging

That leaves 52.08 seconds of recharge


Remaining time: 52.08 / (1 + 1.616) = 19.9s

So, your Hasten downtime should have reduced by 4.9 seconds.


Now, if you were in combat during your testing, an enemy slow effect might throw off your results, as might an additional +recharge effect coming from another player's buff powers, Secondary Mutation: Quick Reflexes or certain Mystic Fortune powers.


All that said, yes, 62.5% global is a lot of recharge. I've a controller with 45% (but no self +recharge powers apart from hasten) and a scrapper and a Night Widow with around 62.5%. It's quite significant. Permanent Hasten requires a total of 275% from all sources - enhancements, alpha slots, its own 70% boost, and global recharge buffs via inventions, powers, etc. That's a whole lot of recharge...but it has been done.

Originally Posted by KayJMM

Part of the problem on not seeing the effect is for people slotting for over-results. If you have a lot of recharge bonus, the spiritual wont make much difference to you.

Originally Posted by MrTogo

That 6% is a rough estimate of your base. But since you said you're down to 16 seconds on hasten, I'm guessing you have alot of set bonuses slotted for recharge as well. I would guess you shaved off near a second, but that's kinda hard to time when you were probably expecting something much larger.

Originally Posted by MrTogo

As for the hasten, only 1/6th of the Common Alpha slot bypasses ED, so you'll only see a 6% increase, and that's not including your global set bonuses. You really won't see much a difference (with the Common Alpha) in powers that are already maxed out with ED, but it will be more noticable with powers that aren't maxed out already, or when you slot the Uncommon because a larger percentage bypasses ED...

Originally Posted by Silver Gale

Check that the boost is actually slotted, not just crafted. There's a bunch of boxes on the left side of the window, the lowest one reads "Alpha" and has a slot in it, make sure the slot is filled.