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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
    If you think that Bell has a "hawk-like nose", then you have your own highly idiosyncratic definition of what that looks like. There has to be a distinct hook to the profile, which neither Bell nor Downey possesses.
    How is Bell's nose not Hawk-like? The man's face nose and all looks like a hawk. I don't think you know what hawks look like.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
    Then it's a matter of literary criticism. I go by what Conan Doyle wrote when he created Holmes. His brilliant medical mentor is as relevant to his fictional character as his belief in fairies. "Never trust the artist. Trust the tale."
    No you go with the picture you have of him in your mind, and not what Doyle wrote. If you read what Doyle wrote and look at Bell, you would see that he describes Bell to a tee.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
    You go by Bell, I go by the book. Brett took a long time to win me over, and I still don't hold him up as the physical embodiment of Holmes. I don't know why you introduced him yourself into this thread. (At least he was tall enough to fill Holmes's shoes.)
    I go by Bell because Dr. Bell was the physical and mental embodiment of Holmes as admitted to by Doyle (and I did state the height difference).
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
    I'm quoting Conan Doyle's own description that first introduced Holmes (incidentally, I know all about Paget and his bloody deerstalker, and Brett won me over chiefly by his performance, not his physique).

    But here's what I look for in Holmes's facial features, following Conan Doyle: "sharp and piercing" eyes, "thin, hawk-like nose", and a square, prominent chin. If an actor doesn't have these exact features, then his performance must somehow convince the audience he does. Downey, a performer I generally enjoy even though he's basically always playing Robert Downey Jr., just doesn't have these. His dark eyes are too dark to focus in a piercing gaze, his nose is a ski-slope, and his strong-ish jawline has sagged with age. It's almost as badly off as casting Gary Oldman as George Smiley.

    Seriously, nobody can call that nose remotely "hawk-like".
    Brett did not have a thin hawk-like nose either, nor did Paget's renditions. Dr. Bell did, and RDJ's features was closer to Bell's than Brett ever was.
  5. And just for kicks...The other famous Holmes actor, Basil Rathbone, resembled the illustrations of another famous Holmes artist at the time, Frederic Door Steele assigned by Collier's Weekly. Steel was the man partly responsible for the calibash pipe now associated with the Holmes imagery, and not ever mentioned in the stories.



    Steele himself didn't look like his Holmes drawings, as he had modeled his Holmes after the actor playing Holmes on stage, William Gillette. Gillette was actually the man responisible for the pipe as he used a bent briar pipe in his stage performance.

  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
    Does this sound even remotely like the physiognomy of Robert Downey, Jr.?

    Or did Holmes really let himself go because of cocaine addiction in the years following A Study in Scarlet?

    Chin and nose aside, Brett definitely had the piercing eyes and alertness down pat, whereas Downey just looks like he's tweaking when he becomes animated.
    I just think you've been biased by the popular images drawn by Paget. It's been molded in the minds of the public what Sherlock Holmes is supposed to look like even though that was not at first the intention of Conan Doyle.

    Paget a Strand artist assigned to draw illustrations for the magazine rendered himself as the main. Doyle didn't like the renderings, as he thought Paget drew Holmes too handsomely. Where as those who knew Dr. Bell, knew instantly reading the story that Doyle was referring to him and Doyle admitted to it as well.

    But Paget's imagery became what others knew and Doyle had to conceed to its popularity. It's tainted what everyone sees when they read the stories. For instance, it was also Paget who put Holmes in a deerstalker hat, even though he was never referenced in the stories to have worn so. Paget had illustrated it so for The Adventure Of Silver Blaze because he himself wore one...and it became iconic:



    Hence Brett became the iconic Holmes as he looked like Paget.

    Lets go this way:

    Paget = Brett


    And doey eyed Bell = doey eyed RDJ
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
    That looks like a fun action-thriller in Victorian costume, although I don't see Sherlock Holmes or Professor Moriarty anywhere and can't tell who the equally doughy-faced protagonist and antagonist are supposed to be.
    Except for the height difference, I always thought Downey looked more like the literary Sherlock Holmes than Jeremy Brett, who was supposed to look like Dr. Joseph Bell. Jeremy Brett looked more like Sidney Paget's Holmes, who looked like Paget.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flarstux View Post
    It's like someone making a Tarzan movie and neglecting to put the scar on Tarzan's forehead.

    Or making an X-men movie in which Wolverine towers over Storm.

    Movie guys... /e shake_head
    So you mean none of them so far.
  9. Innovator

    Iconic Costumes

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    Originally Posted by ProcessedMeatMan View Post
    This theory doesn't really match with reality. Spider-Man's costume didn't change when he joined the Avengers. The only significant costume change to come about since that time was the Iron Spider outfit, which he wore for all of two seconds... and he barely wore it at ll in the Avengers books.
    The FF outfit makes sense... and fits with your theory, but in general whenever he's drawn in a team book, a lot of artists get lazy and just leave the webs off the outfit. Heck, that happens in his regular books all the time!
    I have a collection of comics that show Spider-Man wearing the Iron Spider suit for much more than two seconds. He only took it off when he had a falling out with Tony Stark, and when he joined the other Avenger group, they put him in the black suit. Anyway it's not theory, the reason was actually stated by artists in interviews in the past.
  10. Innovator

    Iconic Costumes

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    Originally Posted by Durakken View Post
    it occurred to me that throughout Ultimate Spider-Man everyone pokes fun at Spider-Man's costume and when I think about it... i consider it one of the better costumes out there yet for some people everyone wants to change it... even if those changes are "better" or as good in some senses I don't know why everyone needs to change his costume... Funny thing Spider-Man does have a few costumes that are awesome looking like Iron Spider and the Symbiote Suit, but i don't see what's wrong with it and I feel it is Iconic so why change it?
    Spider-Man's costume changes in the comics every time he's put on a team book (Fantastic Four, Avengers, Etc). The reason is his web pattern on his costume take a really long time to draw out. When you have a bunch of other people to draw, the artists tend to get overwhelmed by the deadline, so Spider-man's costume is the first to get an "update". The symbiote suit came from another "team" book, Secret Wars. Usually, the suit remains unchanged on his own books, unless the writer get ideas on doing stories around the new one.
  11. The engine mounted on the bottom does not make me confident that passengers will be able to ride atop it.
  12. Innovator

    UFO over the UK

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zikar View Post
    The 3rd video seems to be an entirely different phenomenon but moves like something that's easily terrestrial in nature.
    The third video is probably real (the others looked very fake). Though I'm 99% sure that the guy taking the 3rd video captured someone playing with an RC plane with flares attached, which is a pretty common and looks like that.
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by JetFlash View Post
    bah... when I read critics panning a film, I can almost always rest assured that I will enjoy the film. GL is no exception (and I suspect Cars2 will entertain me as well).

    In fact I can't think of any film that violates that rule of mine.
    Battlefield Earth? I mean cm'on not even Scientologists could have liked that film.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
    In my experience, female LARPers are just as likely to be spoken-for as Tabletoppers. The difference being that the LARPer is more likely to be carrying around an actual vial of blood, wearing a ring with a compartment that holds some nefarious substance, be comprised of 10% foreign metallic objects, and probably is into furries. None of these traits particularly bother me, mind you, but I've found them to be more common in the LARP scene.
    Depends on the event. Many LARP events attract cosplayers as well. Of course if you're over 18, you're probably out of luck.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Unknown_User View Post
    Let the LARPing begin
    Do you know the difference between LARPers and Tabletoppers? LARPers actually talk to single girls who have a chance of being interested in them. While the girls Tabletoppers talk to are never single, never interested except for the one in the group they are usually already currently dating or married to.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nericus View Post
    Co-worker of mine just asked who Gary Gygax was.........he was promptly blasted by a Cone of Cold.....
    Good.

    As for what I feel about the memorial. I'm.../Rolls dice...glad for the Memorial.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bad_Luck View Post
    I can't remember if I've seen that cut or not, it has been years by now and I have no desire to go look. Daredevil would rank just a bit above Howard the Duck on my list, and I don't see how a different cut could transform it into something approaching good.
    I didn't think the Director's Cut was that good, but it did make it a better movie by adding more characterization of the character Matt Murdock who was pretty ignored by the first film by putting in several scenes of Matt Murdock, lawyer, that was cut from the film, as well as showed what the people actually thought of Daredevil's vigilantic actions, and how his patrols affected him physically. Also scaled down was the love story between him and Elektra, which IMHO is a major plus!
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ironik View Post
    The difference between Joe Random Guy getting superpowers and someone who is supposed to be a hero getting them is exactly this point: maturity. There's reveling in the awesomeness of the powers and then there's acting like a goofball frat guy.
    All that comes in time for Joe Random Guy if he doesn't go all villany, but in the beginning I very much expect frat boy antics.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
    I'd definitely show off to friends, but not in public...don't want the government monitoring me (probably even more) lol
    Let them try...
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    I know for a fact I sure as hell wouldn't be acting like a mature adult if I suddenly found myself possessing super powers. Hell I don't act like a mature adult without them.
    I'm old enough to be concidered a mature adult, but I'm not anywhere close to being mature. If I was given power, I sure as hell would be hooting like a cowboy in a rodeo. I'd show off to friends definately, and probably would even stop people on the streets to have them check out the cool things I could do.
  21. I didn't hate the movie, but I didn't like it. I saw alot of good potential in it, but thought the editing was jarring to the story flow and the pacing was inconsistent, and for alot of it slow. It had some good parts, but to tell the truth, I was bored through most of it, and when it was supposed to get excited in the action scenes there was no buildup to it so I was like "oh..they're doing something." and couldn't really enjoy them.

    I'm usually a big fan of CBMs, I've seen them all at least once in the theaters and own a rather large collection of them. I'm hoping there is a better cut in the works for when the blu-ray of this comes out.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chrome_Family View Post
    I don't get why people do this... WHY compare? They are two totally different heroes.. Ugh the movie wasn't as bad as people say. I enjoyed it as did many in the theatre (who couldn't stop talking through the damn thing).. the critics see Ryan Reynolds and probably thought this was supposed to be a comedy LOL and didn't laugh since he was serious majority of the movie.

    Hey remember a few years back they wanted Jack Black to play GL and this movie was supposed to be a comedy? Maybe they thought the same lol.

    Marvel and DC heroes are vastly different.. GL SHOULDN'T be compared to X-men or Thor.. is GL a god? is GL a Mutant? NO... its different.

    Maybe comparing GL to Silver Surfer in Fantastic Four 2... since they are both space heroes? maybe...

    I am reading a lot of comments from people who haven't even seen the movie.. go watch it and form your own opinions.. instead of following others.

    (Above comment not meant for you Innovator by the way)
    We weren't comparing it cause of the heroes. Thor kept being brought up because there were main story elements that were the same: A story set in two different worlds, one CG, one real, and a hero and a villain that similarly felt to be dissapointments to their fathers, and the parallels in motivation between them, as well as we had seen both in 3D.

    As I said it's not we didn't see a better movie in Green Lantern, but it felt to us the guy who edited it (we looked at the credits and saw it wasn't the director) didn't get the story that was trying to be told or the studio called for re-edits to set-up a second film that caused the proper story flow to be lost. For instance, the stinger in the movie obviously wasn't meant to be a stinger but part of a vision that Hal gets when he touches the ring to Paralax hence why Hal went back to OA. As it stands it makes little sense in the movie in context. Also there were a lot of spectacular epic parts of this movie that got lost as it had no build up before it, or you got a jump cut to it that was so jarring you had to reconcile what just happenned before you can enjoy the action sequence set before you. This movie was just frustrating.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man View Post
    As far as the movie itself goes, though, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. I thought it was better than both Thor and X-Men: First Class.
    This movie was not better than Thor or X-Men - First Class. Me and my friends came out of this movie with the like opinion on that. Actually, a lot of comparisons between this and the Thor movie was made as it had similarities, but we all thought that Thor was better film by far.

    To be fair, I saw great potential in the story in Green Lantern, and generally liked the performances of the actors (except on one teary eyed scene). I could see there was supposed to be a good movie there in the scenes, however, that was shreded in the editing process which made the story incoherrent (egads, you could actually see where scenes where supposed to go but didn't, it was that obvious.), and slowed the pacing to boring, so much so you weren't really sure when to be excited when it was supposed to be so, which is weird to say for a Summer Action Film. I can't even classify this movie as a popcorn flick it was so dull, I mean Transformers was bad, but at least it was entertaining. I did not like Green Lantern as shown, but hope in the future there will be a better cut sold when the DVD's are released.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Clouded View Post
    I seem to be the only one that agrees with Rocketeer being on the list. However, I'm not so sure about Blade II beating out some of the other super hero flicks.
    I don't disagree that Rocketeer should be on the top 10. I love the film, own a copy, and watch it at least once a year. As fun and cool looking the Rocketeer was, it was very Disneyfied (the orange grove scene, him using a gun to do his famous pose and losing it before he could fire a shot, etc...), and I think that Iron Man and Watchmen are better films.
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm View Post
    Personally, I'd flip #10 & #7 and I'd Flip #4 & #9, in that order.
    I agree, but I'd also have X-Men 2 on the list replacing Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Believe me, I love Timm, but Mask of the Phatasm shouldn't be in the top 10.