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I'm pretty sure those are the fluorescent lights, a pretty cool concept that I believe Stacker introduced.
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and yet... giving bottom skins to.. say... the floor tile(s)... would greatly decrease the number of items that folks use to create their multiple floor levels.
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Doorways are oh-so-special.... they have their own rules...
- You may not place items in the doorway.
- As far as I know, you cannot actually apply styles to the doorways. They reflect the styles of the rooms they connect. If you have two rooms with slightly different styles/colors, half the doorway will reflect one room and the other half the second room.
- There is no floor trim in doorways. I don't think there is ceiling trim, either.
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Quote:Thank you very much for clarifying.Player created, this is not an area in which we interfere. We don't handle creation, dissolution, internal matters, etc. All we do is offer to help player organizations with tools to make their jobs easier. Any players can request this, and our help is based on 1) viability, 2) perceived benefit. Base building is an area which we feel a player committee could benefit the entire community greatly, and it is viable for a player group to become established.
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Quote:Yeah, I think this was a BIG sticky point for some folks.Here Dead West is pretty much saying what the committee will do before consulting the community they are saying they are trying to represent. It sounds like they are going to be putting personal bias on the concerns.
Pretty much seemed to be putting the cart before the horse.
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Thank you very much, Ocho, for weighing in. It really is appreciated.
Quote:Could not agree more.Heya folks,
... We think that the base building community would be well served by an organized committee that focused on the communities needs,...
Quote:... and are happy to do what we can to aid in such an endeavor.
But this does bring a tiny question to my mind...
Is this really a player created committee? or an NCSoft created player committee?
It's a slight distinction that I'll have to mull over for a bit.
Quote:I also think that it is best for a small group of like minded individuals to initially do much of the work in forming such a group, ...
Quote:without seeking extensive input from the community. The reason for this is committees are not effective in getting things done initially and the early organizational efforts do not require extensive input but merely setting up the framework for later interactions.
Quote:Having said that, obtaining validation from the community that any committee purports to represent is crucial or the whole effort is in vain. Much of the discussion I've had with Turbo has regarded making sure that the community will have access to the committee and be able to participate if they are interested.
Quote:That being said I believe that the intention is there and the structure is coming along well.
Looking forward to working with you folks,
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Quote:The other side of this coin is, they could have involved the community in a joint effort, and if it failed we could ALL be able to say "WE gave it a shot".I believe they didnt think it would matriculate this far. Like many others have said, they tried and nothing came of it. So why say anything when there was a possibility nothing would be done?
shoulda
woulda
coulda
We'll have to wait now to see how it pans out.
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lol
LOVE that yummy low-hanging fruit, Mr.H.
Here is a longstanding list of in-game items that folks have wanted to see since "forever"...
(it used to be stickied... dunno what happened there)
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I think that would be overly extreme... some folks don't mind the look of the Portals... might even like them a little.
Quote:After seeing the new zones, I got to thinking...why not have a building in each zone that looks like a hall of justice, pillars and all?
Clicking on the doors would zone us into our bases.
And on redside they can have a building htat looks like a hidaway with camera to warn of the cops coming.
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Because there are those who still hope for the return of base raids... someday.
Also, base-PvP was never really optional. Initially, raid rules applied to all bases, whether the group intended to participate in raids or not. At this time, some of those rules have been disabled, but that does not necessarily make non-PvP an "opt-in".
Creating an optional non-PvP base system is an idea that has been bandied about over the years. If it ever comes to fruition, perhaps they will relax the room restrictions then.
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Quote:Do we need to sticky this thread too?there are a lot of items that (i think) would be very simple to add:
More crates, as found in warehouses
more non-opening doors, as found in every building
more misc furnishings, as found in ae and missions as glowies (ie weapon rack, crates, wall safe)
more sewer bits, like small valve wheels, and pipes.
All of this is minor stuff, but would open up a plethora of possibilities.
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Turbo asked me to share this:
Quote:.Originally Posted by Turbo_StarrQuote:Originally Posted by Impish KatI just wanted to clarify that my latest post in the Base Committee thread was not intended to be argumentative or accusatory. It is just my way of sayin' it like I see it...
- Identify the problem: some folks are upset, and why.
- Recognize the problem needs to be rectified, and why.
- Offer some solutions that may alleviate the problem.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
--Impish Kat
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Our second function is to bring base building to the forefront; to gain more exposure and to wow other communities. I believe we have done that, but feel there is more talent out there that has gone unnoticed. Sidhe_Blade will be holding events that allows our talents to be seen. For others who glance at our section and say, amazing, I think I want to give this a shot. The more attention we have, the greater power our community gains and the more aware others become.
Somehow it leaked out a bit early, but you can let the community know that we are referred to us as the BBC (Base Building Community) with an emphasis on community. Everything that has been said in that thread are justified and not seen as negativity. The communities support will make this work, and those who disagree with our direction is well understood.
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There IS a list...
And there is a difference between "low hanging fruit" and "all our wishes".
See my sig.
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Fair enough, West.
While the clubhouse is being built, I would like to reiterate a few things that I hope the construction crew will keep in mind:When one takes it upon themselves to represent others, it must be because those others have given the individual(s) empowerment to do so. The Committee NEEDS the support of the community they are claiming to represent or, as Forbin pointed out, you will end up with "warring factions".
A community empowered committee is a good idea. However, the manner in which you guys have implemented your Committee was through self-empowerment, NOT through community empowerment.
I don't think anyone wants to see this effort go down the tubes... I just think we want to feel involved.
I fear that, until The Committee allows the community to empower it, this will be a bone of contention for many, and may even become a hindrance in unforseen ways.
Think of it this way... When the community empowers an individual or group to represent them, the community can then feel that they share in the successes (or commiserate the failure) of that representation.
For true success, The Committee needs to change the community's perception of it as some kind of closed door, secret agenda, nefarious group. The Committee needs the community's trust (empowerment).
Communication is the key.
Communication will build trust.
Not just some vague mumbo jumbo (we've had our fill of that), but meaningful communication.
Please, include the community in the process. Hold nominations and votes for participating members.
- It will ensure a more equitable representation amongst the various voices (agendas) in the community.
- It will give the members confidence in knowing the community actively supports them.
- It will also give anyone who deals with The Committee the confidence of knowing the representation is solidly backed by the community.
Please, tell the community what you've "filtered" from the lists, and for what reasons. The lists were a community effort, it's only fair that we know how they are being presented.
Please, post The Committee's charter (when it's finished)... preferably somewhere that everyone across several timezones can access easily and read at their leisure. It is important that the community feels comfortable with The Committee's agenda. If this is already part of the plan, communicate that.
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Quote:This is true. Done is done.My point is that what's done is done at this point, and these are the people who are supposedly talking with the devs and now have their ear.
...why waste the energy when so many people have had discussions with the devs in the past that went absolutely nowhere?
But it was not necessarily done well.
Quote:Are some of you just angry that after all this time of being ignored, someone other than you figured out how to talk to the devs in a manner that got them interested enough to take those talks at least semi-seriously? Are some of you afraid that your own pet projects for bases will be overlooked now because someone else is talking to them instead?
But most of us are "American"* enough to feel wary when someone says they are representing a community without actually involving said community in the process.
Quote:...Ball's in their court now to tell us what their agenda is, not for the rest of us to complain that they might actually succeed in getting something done.
However, I do think it would behoove the Committee to move forward in a more open fashion... hence the bolded part in the quote above.
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*ETA: to clarify, I mean "american" in an euphamistic kind of way, not as a dig to any other nationality.
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Quote:OOOORRRR.... MAAAAAYYYYYBBEEEEThe third option might be to offer some help, input, and/or support.
If it makes you feel better, it gives you even more reason to be angry if things don't work out!
This small group of self-empowered individuals should have come to the community FIRST to garner our support.
Something along the lines of, "Hey guys, some of us are thinking about putting a committee together to open the lines of communication with the Devs... Anyone interested?"
THEN there might not be this feeling of closed door, back room dealings that sets some of our teeth on edge.
I posed a series of questions earlier in regard to how this committee is being formed and who is being "allowed" to participate... and have not yet received a satisfactory answer.
Jus' sayin'.
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Interestingly, Lady Macbeth is not only a wife... she is a mother as well.
Quote:I would also say that she is very sexualized... how else do you think she gets her husband on board with her scheme? (and yes, there is dialogue that supports this, if you look for it)Lady Macbeth. What beast was't, then,
That made you break this enterprise to me?
When you durst do it, then you were a man;
And, to be more than what you were, you would
Be so much more the man. Nor time nor place
Did then adhere, and yet you would make both:
They have made themselves, and that their fitness now
Does unmake you. I have given suck, and know
How tender 'tis to love the babe that milks me:
I would, while it was smiling in my face,
Have pluck'd my nipple from his boneless gums,
And dash'd the brains out, had I so sworn as you
Have done to this.
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Justice United (formerly Chrome Support)... still keeps to the "family" PG-13 rating.
JFA 2010... is a little looser with the chat rules... within reason.
Both are great for finding teams of all sorts.
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Unfettered Daughter has joined the ranks.
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There is a difference between hope and expectations.
Hope for good things, but expect nothing.
It's the difference between faith and reality
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Although I've not tried peanut butter on pizza, I have had pepperoni pizza with cashews on it. It was interesting.
So...
The produce co-op I participate in recently offered peaches... so a few of us split up an order to the tune of 10 lbs each.
MMMMmmm... peaches.
I've got a couple sliced up and soaking in some vodka.
I've made peach cobbler in a bowl;slice up a peach, nuke for a minute, drizzle a tablespoon of ginger-honey (from the asian market) & sprinkle with nutmeg, top with granola (cinnamon & raisins included), nuke for another minute... watch that first bite, it's hot!
But I have to give credit to my friend for the next clever application...
- slice up a couple peaches to desired size (slices or chunks)
- slice one serano pepper (go habanero if you really want a kick!) As always, be careful not to touch your face (eyes, nose, lips) when handling hot peppers. Wash hands thoroughly when done.
- saute pepper in a good bit of butter (2-3 TBSP) for a couple minutes
- pull out the cooked pepper & add peaches to the remaining butter
- sprinkle with nutmeg, ginger, & cinnamon
- add a little more butter if you like
- top with a bit of brown sugar... how much really depends on how "carmelly" you want the sauce to be. I used about 1/4 cup.
- let simmer for a few minutes until peaches are tender (but not too soft)
... or for a chicken dish... add a couple 6 oz chicken breasts after sauteing the pepper, sear for about a minute on each side, cover and allow to cook for a bit before adding the peach elements. It went very well with a side of steamed cauliflower.
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I'm gonna state the obvious first... make sure your rent is paid up.
And if your rent IS paid up, then you may have run afoul of the base rent bug and you will need to petition to get your base up and running again.
But even so, the most it should do is kick you back into the zone, not hang up and do nothing or dc.
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If you're looking for an overall look at what you can put together for x amount of prestige, Bonker wrote this handy guide.
If you're looking for tips on how to use the base editor... well, there's not really a single guide to that since there are so many darned quirks with it. You just kinda have to start tinkerin'. There is a stickied thread that discusses the various ways folks stack things, though.
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