I Burnt The Toast

Originally Posted by Paladin

They'd have to figure out how it affects things like Incarnate powers and set bonuses. It's not something that's been said flat-out "We will never do this" - that's AT respecing. But there's a lot to consider, it may not be feasible, and if it was possible, it might not even be worth it.

All of that said? I know a lot of people who'd shell out money for their mains/alts to be rerolled without losing their badges.

I will take this opportunity that the Devs have accomplished previously stated impossible goals before (Patron Respecs), so it's not completely hopeless. We've got a team worthy of a game full of superheroes after all.

Originally Posted by Lucky666

What having to drop a team cause a solo mission? Cause your wrong I have never had to drop a team cause of a solo mission red of blue side. Gold side just sucks and the fact it's deserted proves it.

Originally Posted by Fista

For a lot of made up BS with no actual facts, I suppose it could be true but it all seems a little unlikely.

Business plan things out in years not weeks. Heck look at the latest interview with Black pebble. He said they know what's going to be on the market, when it's going to be on, when it will be discounted, when new stuff will be added out to 12 months. So no. Pretty much all conjecture with no basis in fact.

I grantee you, despite what Zwill says, they know exactly when they are going to have the Retro Sci-fi set on the market. They don't want to commit in case they miss their target date. Trust me these people, the dev's, all have their projects scheduled to the day if not the hour.

Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker

Wait 45 minutes to get a league together.

Start the trial

Wait a bit more because a few people crash whilst joining

Chase around a lot killing stuff.

Kill a named AV - faceplant a lot because there's a previously unseen mechanic that takes a while to work out.

Kill more mobs and chase around some more.

Kill 2 more AVs. Watch out for the strange mechanic again

Crash just before the end and miss the reward

Originally Posted by newchemicals

I had another idea

Summon trainer: Summon up a trainer for leveling up! There are zones where trainers are just too far away. Sometimes people would like to train during a mission.

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

On a side note as of Freedom I have introduced many people to this game. Many quit for various reasons. But what strikes me that is that no one cited "stories" or "characterization" as their reason for quitting. It was mainly inability to understand game mechanics, the impression that low level combat is representative of later gameplay, and frustration related to inability to communicate with other players to find teams. That's anecdotal evidence, but its what I observed none-the-less.

Originally Posted by afocks

Rich that you can spout such drivel while at the same time criticizing another post with a typographical error in it. What a nub.

Originally Posted by SolarSentai

I think 4 shards or 20 threads per day would be more fair.

That's 1 uncommon component.

Maybe 5,000 tickets for 2 shards or 10 threads and you can claim each reward twice per day.

Originally Posted by Cheetatron

I'm not gonna complain about getting an xp booster for free, I usually forget to use mine though lol

make it a $1 bill scenario and it becomes appropriate

Originally Posted by all_hell

No luck yet, huh?

Well maybe by Freedom's 1 year anniversary.

Originally Posted by Trilby

So, I'm bored, why not come up with an incarnate trial? There is a lot of potential in these and they can have more complex mechanics than the rest of the game.


Arachnos Rising: A +3 trial
Arachnos has recaptured Trapdoor, studied the remains of Gyrfalcon's machine and some captured Tsoo tattoo artists have also put their work into Arachnos's latest goal. Empowering the Patrons to Incarnate level and giving Lord Recluse more power. You need to go stop him from gaining more power and maybe steal some yourself.

Stage 1: The version of grandville from STF is there. There are some Arachnos between you and the door. Simple beat up x many too move on.

Stage 2: Now you are inside the lab there are some temp powers to collect one of which will release Trapdoor. He makes a run for the exit and will teleport a bit and can be attacked.

There is a badge for beating him down before he escapes.

At the end of stage 2, you will find a lab with the patrons, each in their own Make-your-own incarnate machine. You need to free 3 of them from the machine and they will teleport away. The last patron will finish the process, gaining more powers.

Stage 3: Now you have to fight the AV and each has a powerful ability that needs to be shut down.

Ghost Widow has a PBAoE aura that applies a mag 100 hold and deals heavy damage to the person it hits, checking every 10 seconds.
Mako puts patches on the ground for 10 seconds. Anyone still in the patches when they go off takes massive damage, enough to bring them to 1 HP.
Scirrioro keeps summoning whirlwind pets that heal and buff him make him harder to kill.
Black Scorpion will randomly target someone and charge them, teleporting to them and dealing a PBAoE which does a large amount of damage (not enough to take people to 1 HP though).

Using the temp power will disable this ability, instead just leaving them powerful trial AVs.

There will also be spawns of Arachnos reinforcements.

Defeating the AV without the temp powers will grant a badge.
There is also a badge for beating each of the empowered Patron's once.

Stage 4: Lord Recluse has appeared followed by the three patrons. He has been drinking his Incarnate juice, because he has got more powerful.

He will summon 3 bane spiders every 45 seconds. One of these will be named slightly diffrently and be carrying an Orestes Rifle. This is a no damage, fast recharging attack that takes away peoples level shifts for a short while. If the bane spider is beaten within 20 seconds, it will not use the power.

Lord Recluse himself is simply very tough tanky AV who deals decent damage , and he has 3 patrons with him, each of which has their old stchick from STF. Whirlwinds, mag 100 holds, the works.

Lord Recluse's has one new trick, though. Anyone without a level shift (even one), will trigger Lord Recluse's ability and spawn a boss class spiderbot which does a decent amount of damage.

There is a badge for defeating Lord Recluse before any of his Patrons. There is another badge for defeating the Bane Spider before it debuffs anyone.

Originally Posted by Combat

I'm glad you gained some humor from this thread, but I don't think you need to insult me to get a point across.

But let me get this clear:

I NEVER believed I had a perfect understanding of this sort of stuff. It's why I didn't start of this thread with a ton of bad calculations, because I wanted it to mostly be the general feeling I got from the set, which would be fine if I were in favor of it but apparently is horrible when I disapprove of it.

In fact, most of my flailing at the AoE stuff earlier was to try and gain an understanding of how to make an effective process to compare that part of the game. I didn't do it because I thought I knew everything about everything in this game, but because I wanted to know more.

I'm guessing you are attacking my use of the linked logical fallacies when you say that I am reminiscent of probably the worse melee attack in the game.

However, in a way that is disconnected from the reality of this specific argument, most of what I'm saying is true, regardless of whether or not Staff is underpowered.

An argument that basically exists as "What he is saying is ridiculous" without other evidence isn't a valid argument. This is also true of arguments whose form is basically just derisive attacks at the opposition.

Technically even the argument "Combat doesn't know what he is talking about, therefore he is wrong" isn't logically true. That argument is actually the classic form of the Ad Hominem attack.

All of what I said about anecdotal evidence is also pretty much true, regardless of the validity of my data or methods. Anecdotal evidence by itself isn't convincing, because there is no way to guarantee that a person will experience the same thing. Personally, I found my TW character to be very easy to level and the momentum mechanic to be not at all frustrating, but I don't use that as evidence for TW because I can't guarantee my experience to everyone that played it. However, I can guarantee that Barb Swipe will do less damage than Headsplitter, because it will remain constant regardless of the situation or the person that use's those respective sets.

Originally Posted by TheJazMan

I can understand leaving something for T9 VIPS. I get it. What I don't like is making the rewards some of the best stuff in the game. To us costume types, it is awful. Many have wanted the mech and celestial-type stuff for years. Well, we get it and it gets stuck behind the T9 VIP wall. Paragon will not extort me into climbing up the Token ladder and drop a ton of cash. Not happening. This was the final screw over. I sub ends in a while and I will not be renewing - this was the final straw. If anyone else feels as strongly as I do then join me in this protest and make sure you note why you quit in the exit survey.

In solidarity,
JM

Originally Posted by newchemicals

I thought of a few new things and existing items that I would like to see in the Paragon Market.

Permament Costume powers. There were a few of these for sale, but I ended up buying none of them because I didn't want any of the ones for sale.

Here are some I would like to see.
Dark Ring Mistress
Freakshow Tank
IDF Victoria Mk IV
Knives of Artemis
Malta Gunslinger

Other items I would like to see for sale.
Accountwide unlock of Crafting Table
Accountwide unlock of Patron Power Pools

Thank you for your time.