Hyperstrike

Too bad. It IS legitimate. This is why it's a MARKET and not a STORE.

Correction, you CANNOT make such a case. Not without destroying the ability to buy and sell on the market completely. That's all that's going on here. Buying and selling.

See "The Market Is Optional"
See "If you're going after purples, PVP IOs, and specific sets for bonuses you are no longer a CASUAL player"
See "The mythical "average" player is just that. A myth.

Only because you have no grasp of how the system works and are simply someone who's greedy enough to want it remade into yet another store in game.

Capping pricing will simply lead to the item eventually bumping up against the price cap and the proceeding off-market to gray-market trading.

See "Ultra-Rare"
See "No longer a casual player"
See "Supply outstripping demand"

Look at some of the PVP IOs. Off-market they're going for 3-5 billion.

No. I can afford multiple purple sets.

How? I play a lot. I market constructively to help multiply my earnings. I bid low and I sell high. I also watch pricing on the market to see when it's more economical to just sell a recipe or on occasion craft it when the sale price outstrips the component cost plus crafting. I also craft and store items that may be of use to me later on.

I don't buy Inf. I don't HAVE to.

Again, defining something you don't like as an "exploit" doesn't mean it is.

1. Simply because a player decides to define something they don't like or that is inconvenient for them as an "exploit" doesn't mean that it, indeed, IS an exploit.

Working As Intended.

Plain, simple, straightforward.

And yeah, being able to STORE more than 2 billion has exactly ZERO effect in the pricing that people are willing to PAY for an item.

Neither can I. Unfortunately for you, you're not talking about an exploit. Merely defining functionality that enables something YOU personally don't like as an "exploit".

1: The market is not the game. It is one OPTIONAL aspect of it.
2: You don't need an economics major to play the game.
3: The market itself doesn't require an economics major (or even a course in economics) to use.
4: If you want to build wealth on the market, at least a basic understanding of economic principle is usually a Good Thing to have. But again, not required.

Okay, I've built up billions on the market. My formal schooling only roughly touched on economics (being more an IS/CS curriculum).


Random means random.


Again, a way of maximizing positive effects while trying to minimize negative repercussions.

And trying to come up with a holistic approach is a lot better than some half-***** measure that winds up creating more issues than it solves.

(Example: Let's solve the energy crisis by reverting to a completely agrarian society.)

"Everyone" is a bit broad. If people simply wish to purchase more common commodities on the market they don't need to. If they wish to deal in the rarefied areas of purples, PVP IOs, etc, yes, sorry to say, but they NEED to learn. But, at that point, if they're looking at purples and PVP IOs, they're no longer, by definition, casual players.

Again, this is NOT a binary solution here. The issue is extremely multifaceted. RMT is one facet of it through. Dismissing it merely shows that you've got blinders on about the breadth and scope of the issue.

This is why it's a MARKET and not a STORE.

Bull.

Sure. Because such a change would drive most of the marketers away from the game and further damage the market.

My problem with your reasoning is that a single "anything" that gets done will have a positive impact on the situation.

Can I get a "well DUH"?

Did you seriously think they were going to go "Yeah! Good idea! Run with it!"

C'mon Snow. The guy's basic thesis of how the market works is WRONG. And is "solution" wouldn't fix the issue (indeed, it'd just make it worse and add a whole bunch of new hoops to jump through).

He's not really proposing a change to the market (other than to make it more store-like). He's really proposing changes in the underlying structure of the economy and how it functions. Yet he doesn't understand the forces at play in that environment.

Who's whining? People acknowledge the fact that there's massive inflation. The inflation is a result of increased demand and increased generation of inf. Not "greedy ebil marketeers". If you want prices to go down, people need to stop being willing to blow 2+ billion on a single purchase.

Ever hear the phrase "A fool and his money are soon parted"?

If you want nice, controlled pricing, BUY FROM A STORE.

If you want luxury items, place conservative bids on the market and wait. Then go try to generate them yourself and save the inf.

No, their data mining will bear it out though.

It already is.

Won't help. Will just drive the transaction out of WW/BM and onto the gray market.

You can't get drops of base salvage either. Yet they still remain on the market interface.

If this were really a bug or an exploit it would have been dealt with long ago. People have been exceeding the 2B inf cap for YEARS. Sorry, but it's Working As Intended.

We're not arguing your opinions here. The presence of L53 recipes has been dealt with previously.

Actually, things started going screwy with the advent of the Merit system. Now, instead of a steady stream of randomly generated recipes, you are given an award that is (in most cases) insufficient to actually purchase an identical recipe and can be hoarded for spec-bought purchasing at specific levels. Further reducing the spread of recipes generated.

Do "casual" players NEED purples? No. They're a luxury item with commensurate luxury pricing. What you're seeing on the market right now is the result of too many too-impatient people paying a "buy it NAO" luxury tax.

And would also lose a LOT of accounts for NCSoft as these players cancel their accounts after having the company steal from them. Or, if worse comes to worst, they'd move into distributing their earnings amongst their alts and you'd see a lot more items priced close or at the inf cap.

Sure they would. They'd continue to inflate towards inf cap and then stabilize someplace around there. You'd also see more hoarding of such valuable items, further removing them from the market because it's no longer so profitable to put them up. Or, as mentioned, you'd see more grey-marketing.

I call shenanigans.

Why? Simply because the majority of people don't desire to accumulate that much?

No, you'll just drive more transactions above that limit off-market into the grey-market trade arena. All this will do is make attempts to use the market more cumbersome.

Sorry, no. The current system is WAI.

It's called "debt". Or you can turn off XP.

It IS optional. Which is why this thread is somewhat confusing.

I think what you're trying to do is turn the market into another store. Sorry, but the market is not, cannot, and should not be treated in this way.

This is always a possibility.

It is not an exploit. An exploit means that the devs don't want you using the market in this way.

Also, being able to store more than 2B does NOT drive up prices. Sorry, but you're misinformed. Increased demand of a scarce commodity does this all on it's own. And were a player unable to store more than 2B on a single character, they'd simply split high-value items out amongst several alts.

Why? Simply because the majority of people don't desire to accumulate that much?

No, you'll just drive more transactions above that limit off-market into the grey-market trade arena. All this will do is make attempts to use the market more cumbersome.

Sorry, no. The current system is WAI.

Sorry, nothing like this is EVER simple. That you THINK it is shows a lack of understanding for the problem.

So, essentially tell these people who've worked to build this level of Inf reserves that you're simply taking it from them with no recompense.

The people doing marketeering aren't the ones driving it "out of control".

Also, this will not solve the problem. The problem is that demand is outstripping supply. This is what's causing inflation. Indeed, there's now a grey market outside of WW/BM for various PVP IOs selling above the 2B max. Your solution would not help. Prices would still work up to the maximum at 5B and people would go off-market and simply divide the inf out amongst their alts.

Yeah. I sometimes LOVE to hear the "uh, okay *CLICK!*" after telling them we're billing.

The mysterious "they" are wrong.

I've found at least one class of question that fulfills the requirements for stupidity.

A question that was just answered.

I've dealt with people where you'd explain something to them and they'd ask the same question over, and over (and over) again as if hoping for an answer more to their liking.

The next time you bring up the updater, let it scan the files. Occasionally it'll find something wrong with one or more files and attempt to fix it.

Almost did it myself in my first post. Then actually, y'know, re-read the post CAREFULLY. I hate the taste of toes. So I've been trying to go out of my way to keep my foot out of my mouth.

Ah. Sorry. Misunderstood what you were asking.

Check your inherents/temp powers.

Cyborg : Self Destruct
Valkyrie Pack: Mission Transporter
Magic: Mystic Fortune
Science: Was access to the Super-Tailor
Martial Arts: Ninja Run

The Mission Architect Edition gave you access to either Cyborg or Magic.

The AE edition actually gives you the option of Cyborg or Magic IIRC, otherwise that's pretty much it. I have all of the above (save GR of course).

Note: You don't NEED it. But if you WANT to have absolutely everything in the game...

Note: I don't know that you can buy the boosters off a shelf anywhere. AFAIK they're only available from the online store which immediately applies them to your NCSoft account.

Most of the people here have their tongue planted firmly in their cheek.

I've done the 2-3 days straight thing with no sleep. By the time you're hitting 36 hours, playing the game is the LAST thing on your mind. Passing 48 and you usually can't really be said to HAVE a mind left.

W00T!

Welcome to City of DP Stalker-blasters!

Player 1: Stealth or fight this mission?
*Team goes invisible*
Player 1: I guess that means Stealth...

It's like veal. They're so much tastier and tender when you catch 'em young.

*BURP!*