Hyperstrike

Great. Now I've got the Rolling Stones stuck in my head.

Gah! What's Keith smoking NOW!

A-flipping-MEN!

Don't worry about that rumbling thump followed by crackling sounds. That was just my forehead hitting the desk at supersonic speeds.

PROVE IT.

Which is what already happens now. I ask you, how would this IMPROVE the market?

This might (I said MIGHT) work if the market was an order of magnitude larger than it is. Unfortunately, the market is smaller (and more volatile) than this.

Yup. Think "bid sniping". As I understand it, that has been a problem over on WoW. Haven't looked at the WoW market in a while, but I can't think that it has changed.

Stop changing the goalpost child. You don't do it well at all.

Nobody's saying such a change would ruin the system for anyone.
We're saying it would change how the system operates, but wouldn't change your baseline ***** of "prices are too high".


So simply because you purport to represent some "silent masses", your opinion trumps ours?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

You've been told. Read. Expand your mind.

As in a couple hundred thousand regular, every day joes. And a couple million farming RMTers.

Sweet Christ...can you POSSIBLY hit any MORE false memes?

Uhm. What? You may want to rethink this a bit before trying to push forward with this particular argument.

No. Sorry. Wrong. Go down to one of the Field Trainers in Atlas. Or to to at Ticket Vendor in AE. THOSE are stores. Items listed at a regular, unchanging price.

As always, the answer is "it fluctuates".

You've been here a whopping MONTH and you're trying to tell me that your small sample size for checking over the market trumps people who've been here since before there even WAS a market?

Pardon the derisive laughter. It's completely involuntary.

Prices in the last 20 months that I've played (on EVERYTHING, including purples) have fluctuated. With Issue 13, the price of purples shot into the stratosphere because people took up full time AE farming, reducing the amount of purples that are randomly generated through play of regular content.

Sorry, but it's changing, even now. So you're wrong.

Sorry, but you're really in no position to make these proclamations about how it's "always" going to be.

That's because you don't understand the system you're utilizing.

WHAT people want isn't the problem here. It's "how much are they willing to pay to get it".

Unfortunately for you, people with a lot more inf than you have are willing to pay a lot more than you are.

Thus you add to the problem.

Hurting their feelings? No. Feelings have nothing to do with this. What you're doing, though, is removing yourself as a source of market supply. When enough people function like this, supply drops, even in the face of constant (or increasing) demand. As such, prices climb. Depending on how much demand spikes at a given time will determine how much the price spikes. And, barring someone dumping a lot onto the market, the price will never quite fall back to the previous low levels.

Sorry, but if you need something to build a recipe, by definition it isn't junk. Junk is something that has no use.

You can repeat this as often as you like. It won't make it true. It'll simply lead to higher asking prices.

That's because you don't understand the system you're asking for, nor the systems you're asking this to be dropped on top of.

You hope. You know what the current solution to getting rid of product that goes for more from a vendor than on the market? It gets vendored. Meaning it's removed from play and usable by NOBODY.

That's exactly what'll happen to just about everything where the price floor drops below vendor cost. Then, once market supply clears out, you'll have people listing for well above vendor cost. Again. And getting it. Again.

Sorry, but the world (both real and in-game) doesn't operate by your value judgements.

Technically it's all junk. It's all virtual monopoly money. You stop paying your sub and the stuff is worth exactly ZIP.

The market is yet another minigame within the greater context of the game itself.

Sorry, it isn't. The sooner you accept this, the less pain you'll feel.

You see? That's the beauty of a market. Simply because players set prices today doesn't mean that the prices have to be identical TOMORROW.

Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it any more true.

Because they're avoiding certain problems created by such an auction house? And yes, that means introducing problems of their own.

Because everything doesn't need to be WoW?

Because the market the way it is works better within the context of THIS game?

That's because you're either lying about how much you've played or you've been terribly unobservant.

The devs have already made it clear that this style of "market PVP" is "working as intended" for the game.

Sorry, but someone paying me 100x (or more) for an item than I listed it for isn't an exploit.

People ALWAYS complain. The whole "You can please all of the people some of the time. You can please some of the people all of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time." thing.

We aren't flaming you. And we have been telling you why. You're WRONG.

Because it will be a short-term bump in the system until the market clears out.
Because it will simply lead to higher overall asking prices.

Please READ what has been posted to you instead of simply REACTING TO it.

See above please. It'll cause a large amount of temporary turmoil as the market adjusts. But it won't change higher pricing in the long run. Because it doesn't fix the problem of people paying too much because they're stupid and impatient.

Then you're not really willing to hear the answer.

No. You have an Economics 100 grasp of the broad concepts, the abstracts. That isn't the same thing as it's applied in the "real world".

Nice to be able to appoint yourself. Nobody to argue with you. Just that one nodding yes-man in the mirror.

And you're simply part of the problem.

You've BEEN told. READ it. Make SOME attempt at understanding it.

Congratulations.

No. No it's not. But here, it's pointless and would add massive overhead to an already burdened system.

Shenanigans. Simply because YOU don't like bidding and wish the market were a store please do NOT try to ad populum and assume that "most people" don't either.

forum cartel/trolsl excluded, follow the leader and all that. i really thought i wasnt alone on this.

i dontt have the wont or time to quote everyone but some it, was most likely biased because you are used to fail,or found a way to make fail work for you.

Not talking every TYPE of item. I'm talking about every instance of every type of item. You know, those 500+ luck charms, etc, etc, all the standing bids, everything.

Simply because it works in the context of WOW does not follow that it will work here.

Bullpucky.

That you know of.

Not necessarily.

The market here is NOT broken. Only some people's understandings of how it works.

And I'm saying it wouldn't.

Come back and talk to me when you have a real argument that isn't an attack on someone else.

Ah, now we get to the root of this stupidity.
Lousy spelling aside, the game is NOT dying.
We've had enough threads locked over this subject that I'm not going to argue that with you here.

Simply on your say-so? Okay!
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What? Oh yes, sorry about the derisive laughter. I truly couldn't help myself.

You've been playing here a month. And, because you are having a problem with instant gratification, the market here doesn't work?

Let's just say that a large number of people here beg to differ.
Maybe you're used to WoW with it's few hundred thousand players and a few million farming RMTers. If so, more power to you. It doesn't work like that here. If that makes you want to drop the game, I'm sorry. Turning this game into a WoW clone isn't going to save you either.




No. Sorry. It's NOT. WoW is an ANOMALY. And the sooner you, and many other people realize this, the better off the MMO market will be.

Missing the point. I've got several hundred million (each) on multiple toons right now. I've got somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 level 50 toons. Most, at best, are decked out in common IOs. One is completely kitted out. Some are still in SOs.

Do I wind up paying crazy "Buy It NAO!" pricing with the built-in impatience tax?

HELL NO.

Simply because some people have a lot of Inf and a bunch of newly minted level 50's doesn't mean they HAVE to have all the stuff now.

And if more people realized this and weren't willing to bid "creep" (never mind that doubling and redoubling bid amounts is NOT "creeping") if they don't get an immediate fill...

I repeat, what "standing"? Place your bids and go stomp some face! When you come back, it'll be there.

Bad comparison. You don't plunk money, irretrievably, into the market with no hope of return. If your bid fails to garner a buy, you get the money back. If you buy, you get the item.

No. No it wouldn't. As much as you'd LIKE it to, it wouldn't.

You're still failing to realize that it's a MARKET. Both the buyer and seller collaborate on pricing.

The market here already has problems tracking all the items it has. You want them to be able to track and display every single individual item?

Anyhow, it won't fix it. All that will happen is what happens now. The lowest price ones get hoovered off immediately leaving the higher priced ones. Also, with the current market system you don't have to worry about someone sniping a bid out from under you.

No, your problem is agreeing with others what is "worth" millions.

Again, patience is your friend. Nobody but YOU made you pay that much.

This is not WoW. If you want WoW, go play WoW.

This...is...CITY OF HEROES!



Also, as the proverb goes, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Simply because the value to the owner is low doesn't mean they should be forced to accept low prices. Especially when the demand for it is high.


Sorry, the minute I see use of "everyone", I start calling shenanigans. I have several friends who're WoW-heads. I hear LOTS of griping about the state of the market.

How does the fact that YOU only pay what YOU feel comfortable bidding screw ANYONE over?

The market is not in place as a device for instant gratification. Sorry if that makes it a "sucks to be you" scenario for you. But there it is.

Then don't use the market. It's that simple. Use AE to generate tickets and outright buy the stuff you want with tickets.

You DO realize you're playing a game that's INTENDED to be a time sink, don't you?

Charged Armor

If so, I consider myself corrected. I can kinda understand the amusement factor, but I wanna get the enemy in close and keep them close. The better to pound them with my AOEs.

Add some zeroes in there. I've had crafted items worth about 50,000 sell for over a million. I've had salvage items I've put up for 100 inf suck in 100,000+. All because someone with a lot of money and no patience just HAD to have it "RITE FRIKKEN NAO!"

YES! I've fooled someone!

I've found that most of my builds grow a bit more organically, and thus are less efficient that some of the builds put out there through Mids planning. What I usually do is let my build grow as it will. Then, around the mid 30's I start working up a "pimped out" build. I then begin placing bids for the stuff I want. As I'm an altaholic, I can afford to be patient.

Then, when I get closer to 50 (or hit 50), I burn a respec and slot it.

Trying to level a build that's trying to mimic the slotting of a respec build is usually an exercise in extreme masochism.

Depending on your build you COULD take both. One would help for ally recovery. The other could be a mob-management tool.

No. Merely Superspeed and Whirlwind. Those are mutually exclusive to Granite. Hasten still functions and helps negate the horrible recharge penalties Granite imposes.

If you want a store, go to one of the stores to buy stuff. If you need specific salvage at a set price, buy it through AE. Very simple.

The only easier way to accumulate the stuff is to have it drop randomly on you.

If YOU happen to be selling something on the market, are YOU then an ***hole too? I'd thank you to modify the tone. Mindless tooth-gnashing at people accomplishes nothing.

Save in cases of ultra-rare stuff, I call shenanigans. Purchases are an agreement in price between the buyer and seller. If you don't want to pay a certain price for an item, DON'T. Place a bid that's more comfortable for you, go out and kick some butt. Maybe while you're out the thing you need will drop. And if not, likely the bid will be filled when you get back.

If more buyers would take the slower, more patient way of bidding, prices would not be at the levels they are now. It's the "Buy It NAO!" mentality of buyers that's driven the prices up.



buyout would be an option. if you dont want to use it then dont. play the ridiculous bidding game if that is your bag. id rather buy my **** and GTFO and back to playing the game.[/QUOTE]

Then you got what you paid for.

No. It doesn't.

Blind bidding allows the BIDDER some modicum of control over the pricing. You pay what YOU feel like paying and no more. Going "Ima gunna gets me some Platnumz by biddin 10 millyunz NAO!" and then griping about how EXPENSIVE it was afterwards is...to put it delicately IDIOTIC BEYOND BELIEF.


Then you'll continue to pay inflated "Buy It NAO" prices and pay your impatience tax.

I say...again...and again...and again...that the market is NOT A STORE. If you want something RIGHT FRICKING NOW, you're either going to pay a lot for it, or you're going to be buying it for merits/tickets (which are equivalently expensive) if you want it at a pre-determined price.

Again, you're still thinking like a scrapper. Yeah, you'd want to be able to kill stuff solo. Sure. Again, your "job" (as it were) is to control mobs. Not beat them into pulp.

I've found the tab key to be a rather schizophrenic ally.

*TAB* And I've got some guy in a mob down the hall we haven't aggroed yet...

*L* (Bound to target_enemy_near), *TAB*, right back to the guy down the hall *TAB*TAB*TAB* through everyone at the outermost periphery of my perception. Never mind the 10 other badguys RIGHT...FRICKING...THERE!!!