Hyperstrike

Hey! What's wrong with Sailor Bubba? Other than the fact that he's an old, hairy dude in a sailor fuku?

He's been a fixture at Anime Central for years now.

Just be glad you didn't see him in his Lum costume.

*SHUDDER*

No. My point has been made. It's simply not a point you wish to accept, so you are doing your best to ignore and trivialize it.

That's okay though. Watching someone put their hands over their ears and shout "Not listening!" is always amusing.

Yes. And there's a special corner of Hell reserved just for you.

And I'd say that your insistence on only associating with those you want to is just as psychotic.

Welcome to the real world. Shared by more than just you and your immediate clique of friends. Try to play nice.

If you thought the animated version was a poster child for anger management, imagine your kid in 15-20 years.

"No dad! I can't kill you with a chi attack. But that's what GUNS are for!" *BUDDABUDDABUDDA*

Yup. You have many freedoms. However NCSoft and other players aren't required to grant you a venue for the expression of said freedoms.

Not saying you have no rights. But some of your rights are held in abbeyance by your participation in a service provided by another party.

Ad hominems away!

1: Before it starts is pre-queue. At which point the league leader has no idea if the LFG system will add or not.

2: Once you zone into the raid, it's started. Period.

Please attempt to argue your way around this at your leisure.


It becomes a larger issue as the team size necessary for an event scales up.

If you were correct, why don't we see hourly Hami raids or ship raids?

Tantrum?

Put that way, I don't think the assessment is fair.

So you're trying to say there's no difference between someone who boots people just before the awards screen of a TF and someone who boots someone from an undropped raid group because they're ineligible to participate (no Going Rogue, etc)?

Why don't we just agree that we disagree on this point.

I still think the trepidation some people feel, that it will be used as an excuse to segregate the player population, is a valid and this issue needs to be addressed.

Correct. It's a metric.

Booting a member of a TF who comes into the map, door-sits, and simply hoovers up drops and exp ranks really low on the jerk-ness scale. But it's still measurable (like the ability to determine normal background radiation levels).

Booting someone who was actively participating in a TF, trial, raid, etc right at the end and possibly denying them end-of-event rewards is dinging the opposite end of the jerk-ness scale.

Booting someone who popped in on an Incarnate trial is a floating value. Simply dumping them with little to no explanation still ranks high on the scale.

Explaining one's position before a boot lowers one's position on the scale.

Asking if the player would consent also lowers one's position.

But it doesn't remove one from the scale.


They have free rein *now.* Providing those controls will let those who want specific groups to have them, while letting those in the LFG queue avoid them and not - as someone else put it - "waste their time" getting put onto a group that didn't want them there in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Part of this is caveat emptor.

Part of that is someone who goes to a Hyundai dealership and buys a Hyundai and is ticked that someone didn't roll a Porsche out for them instead.

The structure of the raid system was a KNOWN factor for a good long while before i20 dropped.

So who is at fault if you (generic "you") are un(der)informed about how the system works?

*Holds up huge, illuminated mirror.*

Okay, slightly better analogy than the wife-beating analogy that someone removed.

Like hell. Or did I miss an interface that dropped me into the tutorial on a team?

No... That's not what's being said.

Eiko isn't saying the rest of the game is irrelevant. Merely that using what the rest of the game is like in this argument is irrelevant.

HOWEVER, currently, if you wish to progress with the post-50 advancement system, you're locked into a single path right now with no viable options.

He doesn't want your pony. He wants a magical talking pony that sings, belches rainbows, and poops Oreo Cookies.

I think you're making a bit too much of this. Take a look at Cimerora. It's essentially "the ITF zone". There are some missions in there of an introductory nature. But for the most part, when it dropped, it was for the ITF and not much more.

Also, for i20, they had told us that new raiding systems were coming out. With the way issues drop here (every 3-5 months) that's not a LOT of time to beat together extensive solo or small teams content.

It's not so much an "afterthought" as a choice of priorities. They can dink with the missions content and possibly leave the entirety of the raids and incarnates systems uncompleted or delayed, or they can hammer out the systems and then fill in the solo content later.

Also, keep in mind, the solo content is consumed just as fast as everything else. People blow through it in a couple days then complain that there's nothing else to do.

I'm content to deal with introductory raid content, so long as it's fleshed out later with small teams/solo content.

*Sigh*

Not this tired old canard again.

Massively multiplayer DOES NOT MEAN FORCED TEAMING. It simply means lots of people sharing the environment.

It's okay, you're entitled to be wrong every now and again.

Just don't make a habit of it!