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Okay guys. We all hate absorbing the ginormous patches that come with issues. It takes forever (or seemingly so) even on fast connections.
If you want to be ready once the servers come back up:
- Fire up the bare NCSoft launcher right now.
- Click on File --> Settings
- Click on the Auto Update tab
- Make sure "Automatically download and apply updates (recommended) is checked.
- Click OK.
- Let it trickle-download. Don't (as in DO NOT) try to manually force the download (it's more likely to fail on something and try to redownload the entire damn thing).
- Once the update is slurped down let it apply.
- Once it's applied, right-click on the CoH launcher and select Repair (Consistency Check).
- Don't be freaked if it has to download more stuff. Sometimes the patches aren't complete. Mine needed to pull down another 80MB of fixes.
- Run the Repair function again to make sure it doesn't download anything other than the file manifest. Keep running it until the only thing it's grabbing is the file manifest.
- Run the game (no you can't log in, but there's ANOTHER check before it starts up again). You may or may not have an issue there requiring another run of the Repair function.
- You should be able to get to the login screen and maybe the server list at this point.
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Left the launcher up and running this morning.
It schlorped down the update some time between 9AM and noon.
It then needed to download about 80 megs or so of patch fixes afterwards during the repair stage.
Something was corrupt during the final check so I sent it back to repair again. It logs in now at least to the server list. -
I'd love to lose the 1 from @Hyperstrike1, but that's not going to happen. SOOOOO!
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Quote:A server that's been shut off is "nigh impenetrable".I was watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gSwRHScq6M
And I was thinking that it would be an incredibly interesting idea to set up a website with a private server... then say..
"Hack this server, if you can. If you can, Improve the security"
So any and all security is broken through and then improved. It creates a challenge of both getting in and keeping out hackers using the skills and expertise of hackers.
After a while that server would likely become nigh impenatrable and then you take that security and apply it to other servers and such.
A server that's had the power disconnected, been disassembled, had the parts melted down and buried in several cubic yards of highly irradiated concrete is "nigh impenetrable".
Anything else is just a hack waiting to happen.
There's a reason why people call them "script kiddies". Most of the basic legwork has been done and assembled into "toolkits". From there, it's just button-presses to get into and pivot from various machines, working around a web of trust till they find an exploitable vector.
On top of that, you know what the number one vector for system infiltration is nowadays? Social engineering. Stuff like phishing. Attacking systems on the layer they're most vulnerable at. The user.
The HBGary hack (the government contractor who got hacked by Anonymous? Started with a simple SQL injection attack (administrative failure for not patching). That got them a password list. From there we sprang to common passwords (again, a user-level failure). And wound up rolling over to one of the interested party's personal security site through social engineering using the person's own e-mail account. -
Quote:This is off-topic, of course, but is there a TF that gives a better chance of getting a purple drop? How about a Hami Raid or a Rikti Mothership Raid?
I checked with paragonwiki, and it says that 'any Level 47 critter has a chance of dropping a purple. Giant Monsters, Monsters, and Underlings NEVER drop a purple.' Is this accurate?
Nope. Purple drops are completely random when fighting enemies capable of dropping purples.
From the ParagonWiki.
Hami Raids DO give you the option of taking a random Hamidon Origin enhancement. Some of those are worth a pretty penny.Quote:Any critter that is capable of dropping a level 50 IO has a chance to drop a "purple". This includes, but is not limited to, level 47 minions, level 46 lieutenants, and etcetera. Giant Monsters, Monsters, and Underlings will never drop a "purple". -
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Quote:Here's the entirety of your post.Hyper, you completely do not understand the context of my post that you quoted. As a result, what you replied with was irrelevant and, because of the condecending way in which you posted incorrect info, pretty dumb. You can go back and figure that out or not, I don't really care, but don't expect further effort on my part to explain it to you. The info you need to figure it out is right there in plain text.
Yeah, I don't. I was responding to someone who said something about websites. Jesus.
You're talking about how you have never seen a EULA that makes claims that this one does.
In short, you haven't read a lot of EULAs.
You then assert that it's not possible to enforce/do without installing software.
In which case YOU have ALREADY installed the software for them.
And, in addition to reading the EULAs on various websites, go look at the EULAs as presented inside various games. Actually READ them.
Then tell me what I do and don't understand.
Quote:I have never seen a website EULA that makes the kinds of claims we're talking about. Among other things, it's not possible for most of them to do without installing software. I never install software unless the point is to use that software, and I have never installed software with this sort of EULA.Quote:You'd be surprised. How often you do read website T&C or Privacy Policy pages? Despite the fact that they're almost 100% unenforceable due to being unilaterally dictated "contracts" without explicit agreement, they nonetheless "permit" these sites to do pretty much the same things as most EULAs do.
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not going to go quit over this or anything of the sort. Weighing my awareness of what they probably mean to do with this against my interest in continuing to play comes out in favor of staying. That doesn't mean I like this new EULA terminology - its far too broad, and I dislike on principal giving people permission to do things that I don't actually want them to have permission to do. I'm looking around to see if there's anything besides unsubscribing that I can do to apply useful pressure to get them to change it. Probably not, but it's at least worth looking into. -
Yes. Yes I do. And you missed it.
Yes, but then you went to talk about installing software.Quote:I was talking about EULAs for websites.
And, last time I checked, the game client wasn't a website.
So you seem a bit confused about exactly what point you're trying to convey.
Again, go look into the EULAs of other MMOs. You'll see similar clauses there as well. Please don't delude yourself into thinking that just because an MMO doesn't have the same EULA as, say, Slashdot, that something is wrong.Quote:I'm sympathetic with their cause, but I'm still not interested in abdicating my privacy to them to support it. -
Quote:I dunno that I'd call it "vastly inferior".I can only envy one whose existence is so full of peace, harmony, and tranquility that the posts in this thread equate to 'raising Hell'.
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For the record: I want you guys who want the new stuff to have your new stuff - but I want the guys who want the old stuff to have the old stuff, too. There's not a thing wrong with the old stuff. It's just old. Not 'bad'. It's served us well for all these years and could continue to do so IF the devs would just be so kind as to allow it.
Why not?
The tutorial exposed you to the main concepts of the game.
- Contacts with missions
- Hunt missions
- Door missions
- Click-objective missions
- The ability to free-roam
- Introduces you to enhancements
- Introduces you to inspies
- It introduces you to the hospital
- It shows how you can herd enemies
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Quote:NCSoft: We've noticed some rather 'interesting' patterns in your account usage, and we'd like to use our monitoring software to check that you aren't cheating. If that's okay with you?
Botting goldfarmer: No, 'fraid not.
NCSoft: Oh, okay, then. Your account has been terminated. Sorry to bother you. Have a nice day!
Yeah. No. Having to go to any and every suspect to ask for permission to spy on them individually doesn't work. Because it alerts the user in question that they're being monitored. All they have to do is lay off the proscribed behavior for a little while or swap to a "clean" install. -
Quote:Yep. Several of my best friends are authors. And some of the crap I've heard from them just about caused my brains to come squirting out my ears. (Only saved by the fact that I HAVE none and everything above the chin is solid bone.)You want to talk about contract law. Youch. Kristine Kathryn Rusch a writer has been discussing changes in writer contracts for the last couple of months. There are some amazingly bad clauses buried in the new contracts going out that attempt to grab all rights from the author if you sign it as is. Some of this is new and some of this is old.
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You'll just have to disagree and be thought wrong then Venture. I'd recommend talking to a real lawyer before coming back and arguing this further. On both sides.
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Nope. It explicitly states in the document that while the EULA doesn't trump law, if the law trumps a portion of the EULA, that portion of the EULA is unenforceable but rest is still in force.
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Quote:Because a good number of bots don't share the game's memory space. They're assigned their own. and then monitor the memory space of the game.They do not need permission to have the program send back its own memory. The main objection I have is to the clauses which, in theory, could allow them to view any memory or files on the computer.
And you can talk about locking something down. Honestly, maybe you could. I don't know you. As such, I'm inclined to be skeptical in the face of such claims. No offense intended. Just a battle scarred veteran of far too many encounters with so-called "elite" users to ever take such claims at face value.
I don't honestly trust anyone (at least not unquestioningly). Not even that tubby ****** in the mirror. (He creeps me out!) -
Let's just say that this is NOT the most hair-raising thing I've ever seen transcribed into contract law.
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Quote:Try looking at the EULA in other games and online services. Not websites.I have never seen a website EULA that makes the kinds of claims we're talking about.
Quote:Among other things, it's not possible for most of them to do without installing software. I never install software unless the point is to use that software, and I have never installed software with this sort of EULA. 
ORLY?
Honestly, I'm not too hot about it either. But I understand the reason they're phrasing it this way.Quote:Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not going to go quit over this or anything of the sort. Weighing my awareness of what they probably mean to do with this against my interest in continuing to play comes out in favor of staying. That doesn't mean I like this new EULA terminology - its far too broad, and I dislike on principal giving people permission to do things that I don't actually want them to have permission to do. I'm looking around to see if there's anything besides unsubscribing that I can do to apply useful pressure to get them to change it. Probably not, but it's at least worth looking into. -
Quote:You've obviously never been racked while wearing a cup have you?If you put a good cup on first the free punch in the balls can be fine.
The cup doesn't stop you from experiencing excruciating, debilitating pain. What the cup does is give you a better chance of avoiding dangerous amounts of swelling and clots so that "Big Jim and the Twins" won't need to be amputated.
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Quote:You also forgot:Thats because a lawyer wrote it and a lawyer can't be clear on something like that to save their life. If they can use big words that cover 20,000 things to describe the one expected situation you can bet that the lawyer will go for the biggest amount of coverage that they can.
The important thing to remember about EULA's are.
A) They exist to CYA the company for standard things the company does.
B) They have never actually been found to be enforcable.
D) Having one protects you [thus the CYA aspect] from lawsuits for your standard practices because you posted the standard practice in the EULA.
E) This is why the lawyer writing the bloody thing will try to make is as broad and general as they can.
F) It they make the meaning casually (or even explicitly) vague and impenetrable, THEY get paid beaucop buckage to go to court to achieve the specificity they need for any case at hand. And they can do it over. And over. And over. And over. And (well, you get the idea). -
Quote:I know. That's why I cleaned it up into something beyond a WALL OF SHOUT. I didn't say *Westley* was shouting at me.That section and one or two others are written into the EULA that way. It was a copy and paste, not Westley raging.
Yep.Quote:I filed a bug report about it as deliberate obfuscation of the content, given that most of the EULA is written in ordinary mixed-case and paragraphs. Probably some lawyer just copied some boilerplate and didn't bother formatting it, but it's annoying, regardless. -
Yeah. Actually they DO. NCSoft, to have control over their environment needs the power to unilaterally remove accounts from the system. Like being employed in an at-will state. For any reason, even no reason. Otherwise someone can hobble them with unstated exceptions.


