Hyperstrike

Lemme look and see. Contrary to popular belief, I don't respond to EVERY post on the forum (try as I might! )

Ah.

I'm not sure which MMO you're talking about. If we are talking about the giant aberration that Cartman kills boars in I honestly wouldn't know about their business practices. CoH is my second MMO.

Cool and all. But other experiments have show in the past that using waveguides (in one form or another) can allow this sort of thing.

I agree with this post.

If you wish to consider it such. Well. Have at.

Yes. I'm quite aware. Maybe I should write a howto on it to make you aware of how aware I am of it as I am already becoming irritated by people asking this pointless question.

I do not choose to use this feature due to the serial nature of my consumption of threads. Insistence or castigation coming from people because I decline such use is merely another form of spelling/grammar police irrelevance.

Thank you for your concern.

Not in the slightest.
I'm merely saying that, in cases where something could be changed, that the complains could be more constructive.
And in cases where it's essentially "raging against fate" (i.e. the dowtimes inconveience the EU players most), it serves no constructive purpose.

In the second case, there are only two things you can realistically do:

1. Bring in enough money in your particular population group to warrant a legitimate reassessment.
2. Take money away from them by cancelling and convincing others to.

I never said they can't complain. PLEASE try to assimilate this point.

That doesn't mean I'm going to simply let demands for compensation and various inaccuracies be left to stand and fester.

If my rhetorical style in doing thus isn't to your liking you may request that I alter it, though I make no guarantees that such a request will be filled.

Unlike some people, who're attacking the person instead of what is said.

I disagree with some of what's being said in this thread. And I have zero inhibitions about saying so. If you interpret that as an attack, that's entirely your hangup.

Compensation: My opinion is that it's not warranted. Argue this as you will.

E-mail notification: No guarantee it'll reach the sender in a timeframe the sender would consider appropriate, or reach the sender at all. Or that it would be read in an appropriate timeframe.

They've announced events solely on their facebook page before, neglecting the forums. Do I raise a huge stink and demand restitution for missing an event I was never notified about? No.

Users are unhappy: Again, said users have a small modicum of sympathy from me. I merely feel that the ends justify the means in this particular instance.

Yes. Contrary to popular belief, I did. And my grasp of the english language is quite firm. My reply, while addressed to you, was not an accusation that you PERSONALLY were making said demands. I was merely making a point and expressing an opinion, not casting an aspersion.

Besides my point. I never said I had better access to subscriber numbers than you did. Merely making a point that any quantitative analysis done by players themselves is going to be inherently flawed guesswork.

No doubt.

No ****. Do you honestly believe the development staff at Paragon is any happier about this than you are?

If you can make a statement like this you haven't actually read anything I've said and are merely reacting to a tone that's less than servile agreement or mealy-mouthed attempts to be inoffensive.

You don't like what I say? FINE. Point out the actual errors. Don't simply point at me and say "YOU ARE WRONG."

Until you can do so, I'm not inclined to give you any further consideration.

Again, try responding to what I SAID instead of taking offense at what you THINK I said. I have made two separate point here. You're trying to concatenate them.

1. Paragon shuts down for maintenance when it does because their data tells them that timeframe is low-ebb for population in terms of total logons.
2. Neither you nor I are qualified to comment on exactly how large (or small) a given population in the game is, other than to repeat what we are told by the devs.

Please try to keep the points separate in the future. It becomes tiresome when people try to tell me that something I never actually said is wrong and I'm a jerk for saying it.

Try again. AFTER you've read what I ACTUALLY said.

Try reading a bit more carefully.

I didn't say "dozens". I said "roughly a dozen" and proceeded to give a general breakdown of what accounts were what within that rough figure.

But feel free to cast aspersions as to my truthfulness than actually argue the point.

Also, even if, for some reason I WERE lying, it wouldn't mean the entirety of my argument is fals. Just like, if you happen to live in an area whose laws supersede portions of the EULA, it doesn't invalidate the whole EULA.

So try again.

Yep. One of the ones I don't check very often because it was set up as a spambucket on Google. It retains everything. So if I need to pull down the codes that NCSoft sent while I was buying Boosters, I can. But I don't check it on a daily, or even weekly basis.

Directly no. But I'm fairly certain most players don't have direct control over their spam filtration either.

Keep telling yourself this.

Sorry, but you're arguing something different here.

I made no excuses. I merely outlined why e-mail isn't always the best medium for communication.

pics or it didn't happen! :d

No. I "ain't".

i21, even with newer, beefier hardware, has several new systems built into it. These systems, in conjunction with everything else and in the live environment, are putting more strain on some portions of their server platform than was anticipated.

If it is having these problems NOW, with the current population, regardless of how many are temporarily back for the "new shiny", it would likely have gotten a hundred times WORSE once we saw an influx of Freemers. Especially if the portions of the platform that are stressing are accessible to said free players.

Personally, I'd rather take a bit of immediate inconvenience than have the game blow a gasket in the full light of public F2P and have to do this at a later date, leading to an even LONGER downtime.

Again, I understand that some players are getting hit more than others. And I have sympathy for them. However, my sympathy is finite.

Actually, yeah it does. Simply because YOU want to throw it out the window when it suits your purposes is the irrelevant portion here.

My point stands. You were never promised unfettered access to the game during maintenance windows of ANY sort.

Nice try though.

Tell someone selling $75-100,000 cars that they should be giving away product when someone makes a stink.

Nope. I've got two.

And your telling me that I'm wrong simply because it suits your purposes and/or ego for me to be wrong doesn't mean that your opinion reflects the reality of the situation.

You don't like what I have to say? Fine. But please tell me why I'm wrong rather than simply saying "You're wrong".

"Because I said so" isn't a valid answer.

Hey, if you honestly think you can do my job, come apply. Maybe I can get down to a more normal work week then.

Your violation of forum policy has been noted.

I'm not doing either.

I'm neither being mean, nor going out of my way.

I'm simply saying something you dislike, and therefore don't want to hear. It doesn't mean that what I'm telling you is wrong or incorrect or offensive (or intended to be any of the above).

Sure, this intolerance of certain types of behavior doesn't always make me a lot of friends.

Ask me if I care.

Ah. So if it doesn't inconvenience you, and is only a pain in the butt to us dirty colonials, it's not an issue and shouldn't be addressed right?

You actually think I'm raging? I think you're a bit too deeply invested in your own Internet Angry if this is the case.

Yay for you. If you want to had over a free order of McFries because they didn't like their hamburger that's fine. That's YOUR company policy.

I'm sure that if the customer insisted they be entitled to free meals there for the next month and a half that a slightly different tact would be taken.

I don't know if you noticed. But they've ALREADY done what I've said with the EU playerbase.

They're sympathetic. But they're going to CONTINUE to schedule their downtimes during what the EU contingent regards as "primetime". Their data shows it's the statistical "low ebb" point for population and allows them to keep a semi-reasonable schedule for employees.

Take a look at today's UStream. They address it directly and pretty much say "It is NOT going to change."

As I've said, at some point, a choice has to be made. They've done so. If this inconveniences you and incenses you to the point of quitting, so be it. It sucks, but there it is.


You first. Climbing up my (and the devs') *** over something that has to happen and just HAPPENS to inconvenience you PERSONALLY is making it EXTREMELY painful when I try to sit down.

I didn't say that. Please don't twist my words.

Keep telling yourself this. I'm sure it makes the attempt to convince yourself that you've "won" much easier.

Because I have roughly a dozen of them. About half are business-related. The other half are personal.

Not to mention a couple spam-bucket accounts.

Some of them I don't check but once or twice a month. As they don't see anything legitimate that often. But I still have to maintain them separately.

I am NOT a prolific e-mailer, outside of my day job. In fact, I'm not really all that prolific at my day job either and our software supports "under the hood" e-mail with notifications. We actually do the majority of our inter-office communications via IM.

If you want to complain fine. Just make sure you know what you're talking about. Avoid baseless accusations. And for the love of Bob, try to hold back on the self-entitlement of "I should be complensated" demands.

Without access to actual subscriber numbers, you could probably say you're a portion of the community. How LARGE a portion is entirely debatable though.

Additionally, it has been spelled out, the downtimes during EU primetimes are still STATISTICALLY affecting the lowest number of players. This argues as to how large your portion is.

While I'm sympathetic (and please believe me, were I in your situation, I'd be annoyed as **** too). The devs have stated, several times now, that this maintenance policy isn't going to change in the foreseeable future.

Now, if you can bring on a couple tens of thousands of paying subscribers in your neck of the woods, I'm fairly certain the devs would have EVERY reason to reconsider.

Debatable. Especially since it is already spelled out that they're not required to compensate you for service outages, planned or unplanned.

Maybe have them give the game a try when it's NOT in the middle of an upgrade cycle.

Actually YOU don't know what they're doing. I was on the UStream chat this morning. They described the process in great detail today.

So yeah. I DO know what they're doing. And, as someone who works IT, I have a fairly GOOD idea of EXACTLY what's going on from their descriptions, as I've done similar things myself.

They are physically moving the data to new servers.

Actually, since you're ignorant of what's going on, you're right. You wouldn't call it an upgrade. Hell YOU shouldn't call it ANYTHING.

If you "know" this, you've either completely missed the point of these maintenance windows or you've crossed over into the mirror universe (check for the "I am evil" goatees!)

That's just it, you didn't "waste" time. You played because the game is good, the community is great, and the devs are genuinely involved.

You're just "Internet Angry" right now. So you're choosing to ignore this.

[quotte]The loyal players are being used as guinea pigs now before the people that don't have to pay come over.[/quote]

No. There are ALWAYS things that pop up on Live that never reared their heads on Beta. Since I started playing, there have been goofy behaviors in Live issue releases that simply didn't occur during IDENTICAL circumstances on Beta or Test. If the devs could avoid this kind of stuff, don't you think they would?

If you can seriously answer that they CHOOSE not to avoid this stuff, you may as well just cancel your sub now.

It's also a smaller number if you're not doing something expensive like paying on a monthly basis.

Also, compare that number by the price of a movie ticket. Or seats at a ball game. Exactly how many of those could be gotten for that amount of money. And would it have provided anyplace CLOSE to the total number of hours played in-game in the last X-number of years.

Hyperbole much?
Buh-bye?
Can I have your stuff?

You haven't lost a damn thing because you were never promised the ability to play during maintenance windows.