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Quote:Okay THAT particular v570 model is not really going to be great for games. The graphics are the on-chip Intel. There ARE versions of the v570 that are more suitable though.Would the following laptop be able to play CoX properly?http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387552,00.asp
I am currently missing a working laptop, and my desktop's graphics card is, to put it kindly "non-existant"
the laptop in the link, the lenovo v570 is available at best buy right now for 550$. I'm just wondering if this would be a buyer's remorse style purchase, or if I'd be able to play CoX on it. I don't need super-ultra-kahmaha-ma-ha settings, but I'd like to see what's going on on "recommended".
So...thoughts?
The v570 model you want is the 1066ADU.
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Quote:Agreed. This thing may play on low-low settings, but it's still going to be pretty horrible.LOL, don't take this the wrong way, but not likely. It's integrated MOBILE graphics...it's worse than desktop integrated graphics. And integrated desktop graphics play City pretty pathetically.
Actually 30fps is the starting point for perception of smooth movement.Quote:Unless you consider 15-20fps "playable", which would include visible stutter (30fps is smooth to the human eye).
Small variations in framerate at this level can destroy the perception.
60-80fps is usually the point where movement is truly smooth, save for all but the largest framerate drops. It's actually a little different for everyone. Some people are unable to discern framerate chop above the 30-40 frame range. Others notice it until the 60-70 frame range.
The CPU is important in some cases. Multi-core isn't about speed in the game. What it DOES is allow the system to offload the non-game tasks to other cores while the game itself utilizes two cores unimpeded. So, it doesn't make it "faster", it's just another method to prevent it from becoming "slower".Quote:And CPU is definitely not more important than GPU. GPU is definitely top dog. I had a single-core-faking-dual-cores and went up to a true dual-core processer, and saw little to no increase. I went from a 6600 nvidia graphics card to an 8800 nvidia card and performance SKYROCKETED. I then upgraded my CPU again to a faster dual-core processer, and again saw little to no increase. I then upgraded my GPU to a 9800 nivida card and again saw a big increase (not quite skyrocketing that going from 6xxx to 8xxx saw, since 6xxx is pitiful).
My fiance (whose computer is 2ft to my right, and whose computer I built and rebuilt and frankensteined) went from a dual-core processer to a quad-core of approximately the same speed (slightly faster) and saw pretty much no increase (as we were expecting; City doesn't utilize multi cores much (if at all)). He then went from an 8600 nvidia graphics card to a 460 nvidia card and saw huge gains - he can play at max settings with no lag and fps typically around 50-60...only ever dropping below 30 in ship raids, not even in itrials.
So I'm going to go with my personal experience here and say: yeah, no....no, you are definitely not right.
Also, the GPU still relies on the CPU to keep it "fed" with data. Mismatch a CPU and GPU too much and you're going to nullify some of the benefits of having such a powerful GPU. -
Okay, the Acer system looks a bit...low end for the price you're paying. And from the image given, it's a slimline case. Likely that means integrated graphics. nVidia graphics, but still integrated. So while it'll probably run CoH, it's not going to do it at Ultra settings or high framerates.
Pretty much any of the systems you see at CyberPower will run CoH fine. Don't simply take the default box though. Most of the base models are sporting bottom-run video cards. Unless you're planning to put a beefier card in yourself. -
If you go into the User Control Panel, you'll see a section called "group memberships".
If you're a paid subscriber you'll have the option to select the VIP group. Your name will turn gold and your forum title will become VIP, rather than the post-based rank it is now. -
Quote:*Backs away slowly, surreptitiously looking around for a large, heavy object.*Apparently, according to the forums I'm not.
I'm being screwed. This is a slap in the face. This is not the way to retain me as a customer. Other people became VIP through much less effort. The devs don't listen. Don't pee your yellow name down my back and tell me its raining. This should have been included in Going Rogue. This is just a naked attempt to squeeze more money out of me. Other MMOs would have made me a VIP by now. The community team should be ashamed. I deserve a refund. This is like buying a sink and then one day the sink needs a new drain stopper because the peel from the banana split you ate yesterday got stuck in the screen but now your cable company wants to charge you for ESPN 3 and you won't be able to watch Jamaican hockey because you spent all your money on a new drain stopper and its all Home Depot's fault. -
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Quote:Because nobody will ever need more than 640K of RAM.If I spend 350, I'm NEVER upgrading the graphics card. Besides, I've played CoH on a Raedon 3200. It worked great and could use Ultra Mode. No reason the 4200 should be an issue.
But mom! This P2 system I'm building will be all the computer I'll ever need!
Basically, over time, the game is going to continue to grow. Eventually you really DO want a dedicated graphics card. It doesn't need to be anything SPECTACULAR. You don't need to run out and get a GTX580 or anything. But a dedicated graphics card will give you better performance and free up system memory (which the on-board 4200 is taking up for it's graphics duties).
And it may not seem like it to you, but $350 is a an absolute pittance to be spending for a computer nowadays. I've paid 10x as much as that for 1000th the processing power.
Were you dropping $1500-2000 on an i7 machine with 16GB of RAM, Solid State Drives, and SLI video cards, I could see you wanting to be able to pick up a monitor and speakers too.
Thing is, you ALREADY have a monitor and speakers. That's why I sent you to that one.Quote:However, it comes with no monitor or speakers. Purchasing the E-350 would leave me with enough left to immediately upgrade to a 1TB HD and I could possibly sell my current comp for 100 bucks to someone. No way I'd be able to sell it for that with no monitor or speakers. If it's CPU is an issue, couldn't I swap my Intel 4 with it?
Your issue is NOT disk space at this point. A 500GB drive is a good starting point and you can always augment later when you have spare cash. A 1TB drive does NOTHING for system performance.
You want to keep your eye on the prize here. I know you're seeing "ooh shiny" with the all-in-one. But you want a machine that's going to give you the most *bang*, in terms of graphics crunching power, for your buck. That's NOT the all-in-one. Things that aren't, necessarily, easily upgradeable for you are things like the CPU. The Inspiron570 gets you from point A to point B best.
Other things like memory and hard drive capacity ARE easily (and cheaply) upgradeable. Therefore it makes more sense to settle, initially, for smaller amounts to save money up front.
A slower CPU will just become outdated faster.
And if you can't sell them the old system for $100 without the monitor and speakers, see if they'll take it for $50. Then use the $50 to buy yourself the discrete video card. Or use it as a door stop.
And no you can't (and don't want to) swap your P4 in. It's an older, MUCH less efficient processor technology. Moreover, it's not pin-compatible with the socket on either of the motherboards. -
Quote:Yes. The cards are expensive. And AMD is a multi-million dollar company.Frankly I already have a full time job. I didn't know paying money for a high end video card and an MMO made me become part of their technical support departments.
It is frustrating that I constantly crash. And worse, sometimes the crash locks my PC up completely. They know there is an issue and they have the resources to troubleshoot it, how much of my own time do I need to spend on this?
I know you are trying to help but it isn't fair to make this seem like this is our fault this hasn't been fixed after 5 months.
But even THEY don't have the ability to test every POSSIBLE hardware and software combination in existence.
Telling them to "just fix it" helps NOTHING. Because they can't operate Q&A in a vacuum. They need system and software information to help them determine if there are any hardware/software conflicts on your system and if necessary, replicate your setup.
Nobody's ASKING you to take another full time job as a hardware/software tester. There's merely an implicit request for the provision of system specifics so that a proper troubleshooting job may be done. -
Quote:I never really complained about the snakes. Honest!For years people complained about "all snakes all the time" and now that they're gone, people complain about their absence. Just goes to show that you can't please everyone.

But I have to agree, I kind of liked them... and I'm already really tired of LongBow.
Now Longbow. Oh dear BOB the Longbow!
I could DEFINITELY do with, while not an elimination, a definite dispersion of them amongst more plentiful non-Longbow content. -
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Well, if $350 is your limit, maybe look at (Dude, you're gettin') a Dell.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/popular-desktop-deals
Look at the Inspiron 570.
It's not a GREAT computer or anything, but it's a GOOD step up from what you have now.
Also, it's expandable.
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...n/cs/cs_en.pdf
The PDF shows it has a PCI-E slot in case you want to load in a discrete graphics card later.
The system comes with a 3Ghz AMD Tri-core CPU and 4GB of RAM (expandable to 8).
That's $349.99 plus shipping.
Currently the 7-business day shipping is free.
3-5 business day is $9
2 day is $15
Next day is $25
Honestly, nobody here could put together a decent enough parts list for you for cheaper than that.
This would get you up and running (barring problems with current Radeon drivers). And down the road a couple months, you could put in a discrete graphics card and give yourself a decent performance bump. -
Quote:Understood, but when you began talking about "posting guidelines", that has a strong whiff ofI don't expect anyone but the Community Team to keep organization in the forums. I do like to gather feedback before making changes.
This is an exercise in feedback.
"If you want to post a guide it has to look like:"
[Guide]: Topic: Description/CatchyText
That's the kind of "user organization" I'm talking about. You could mandate this all day, every day, forever. It wouldn't help anything, save driving people off the forums. -
Quote:Technically I'm "skirting" the rule. I'm using an image that's significantly smaller than the upper limit. But I'm using multiple images.And yes, there are quite a few signature images that break the 600 x 120 rule. Another inconsistency in applying the rules.
What I'd like to see is an increase in the size of text/HTML signatures so that people who post their guides into their sigs can do so in plain hypertext.
Currently it's SEVERELY limiting to try and do with extant size limits, even proxied through URL shorteners like TinyURL.
Right now I'm burning roughly 50KB of images to convey something I could do in less than 1KB of text. -
Quote:To the controller forum. There's still only ONE forum for controllers. It simply has gateways from each of those sections. So someone searching based on different criteria has a couple options about how to find the forum.You have Controllers in three categories! Controllers fit into three different categories . . . but not all of them, as Mind Controllers have no pets. Where the heck are folks supposed to go for advice on Controllers under this suggestion? Three different forums?
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Quote:Agreed on everything above. And were the forums refactored to look like this, I'd be on board.This is what I have to far as a way to reduce clutter. I know vBulletin can handle this, as most other forums. You can consolidate all forums to make it easier to get through. Also, the CSS is another reason that the site looks so bloated. Have someone tinker around with the values of cell and table sizes. Also, font size is a killer too.

You can keep all the existing forums, just have them available inside each parent category instead of bloating the frontpage. -
Quote:You're talking to a guy who has his forum preferences set to 500 posts-per-page.1. Less is better: The less you have to scroll down the page, the fewer forums there are, the simpler it's going to be for a new user/someone unfamiliar with the forums.
I'd rather scroll through than have to click through.
That advice is only marginally useful on forums of this sort of formatting.Quote:2. Less clicks is better: Creating more parent/child forums isn't the solution. Things need to be one click away (Web Design 101 IMO).
It's better to have your forums clearly delineated than to have a mush of multiple forums and rely on some sort of "suggested formatting" to organize it. That's essentially what some of these forum merges (in the AT areas specifically) would accomplish. You'd be pushing the job of organizing the forum off onto the user instead of organizing it yourself.
In my experience running forums of this sort, my advice would be STOP NOW. Expecting the users, no matter how cool and self-organizing they are to be responsible for keeping organization in YOUR forums is a recipe for fustercluck.
I disagree that some of these proposed merges would constitute an "improvement".Quote:3. The purpose of improvement is to grow our forum Community and to make the experience better for everyone, overall.
Additionally, if this is merely some attempt to give an artificial appearance of "busier" forums, don't. Just...don't. -
Quote:I miss the snakes...Kudoes to the dev's and all who had a hand in the CoH's Freedom. I know the change in NCsoft's business model and overhaul on the Heroes side of things has gotten all the press, but the biggest winner, IMO, has been the "City of Villians." This most recent and dramatic tuneup has, for the first time, really put it on par with Paragon City and Praetoria. It has gone from coming across as a bit of an afterthought to a robust and dynamic equal-partner. The game play and narrative strikes me as being much more engaging. Great job!
Now I'm going out of my way to thwack the poor buggers in Port Oakes. -
Quote:I'd also check your GPU temps when it locks like this.I uninstalled my old driver then installed the 4th rev of the driver. Then I restarted my computer.
I was able to alt tab out of the game without my computer freezing up, but after ~30 minutes, when I went back in to the game(which was in the middle of character creation), the game was frozen and I had to close it and restart it to get back in to the game.
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No. While it may not have worked for you, it HAS given some people relief from their situation with the current generation drivers. As such, it's valid advice. If it works, he's golden. If it doesn't work, he's no worse off than he was before.
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Quote:Yes. The last couple versions of the Radeon drivers have been an absolute *AHEM!* as far as CoH is concerned.So 11.8 has issues but 11.4 doesn't? If so, thanks a lot. Hopefully this fixes my problems.
In most cases, uninstalling the current drivers, running a driver cleaner, then reinstalling with the older driver package solves most of the issues.
And considering that they're on the 4th rev of drivers since it started breaking things, I don't know if anyone can tell you when (or if) AMD is going to ever fix it. -
Yeah. I have a lot of activity going on in SQL, pretty much 24x7. So it's buffering a lot into memory to keep the lag down. Even then, I've got it limited to 5GB. I've seen SQL eat 16GB servers for breakfast, belch, then scream for more...slowly...
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Quote:So your recommendation is simply saving towards a new computer?
Honestly, yes. Throwing memory or a marginally more powerful video card at it will be like throwing a band-aid on a cannon-ball hole through someone's chest.
Now, the GOOD news is that if you already have the dosh to spend out for some of these upgrades, you have a good chunk of what you need saved up already.
Take a look at Father XMas' low-end computer. And when I say "low end", only in comparison to some of the other parts lists he's got for beefier budgets. His budget system parts list will still make CoH SCREAM.
Also, if it's going to take a couple months to save up the rest, you'll look to be spending out right about the time all the Christmas deals hit. Making it easier to get stuff cheaply, or allowing you to trade up to a beefier rig because prices have dropped.
If you REALLY have to (and judging by my seeing CoH eat 1.8GB of memory tonight on my machine you may), toss the memory I suggested earlier into your current system and leave it alone after that. It won't make a HUGE difference, but it'll give you a bit more "slack space".



