Hyperstrike

And I'm not here to argue your feelings on the subject.

These corner case scenarios have to be taken into account. Otherwise they have gaps in their system that yet someone else will exploit.

Inventory is inventory. Period. Simply because theirs is electronic in nature doesn't relieve them from the book keeping.


No. Simply that they have to come up with a system that will strip the items out and deal with edge-case scenarios.


It's pretty friggin hard to abuse "no refunds".

No. It's just your opinion. Opinions are like ********. Everyone has one. Not all of them are nice.

Never mind that people might be attached to the community, the gameplay, or their characters here.

The minute you start trying to make a quantitative argument like this, you're pretty much doomed, as you know you can't actually support such hyperbole. Why, then, do you continue to try?

If the player base is so attached, why would it?

Also, come up with a description of "better" that isn't completely subjective and maybe you'd actually have a point.


I'd argue it's a bit more than "location location location". Part of that is a credit to the devs. But no small portion of that is the player community as well. This game even trounced an updated version of ITSELF.

As such, it's a BIT more complex than the childishly simplistic situation you present.

Where? When? Please provide support for this accusation.

Out of hand? Apparently you're imagining that you see something the rest of us aren't.

First, this isn't a free-to-play game. This game's model is designated "hybrid". There are some free-to-play components in the game, true. But at NO point was the game ever announced by Paragon as shifting to F2P.

Second, "best" is completely subjective. I PVP VERY seldom and I really have exactly ZERO interest in PVP-centric systems. So my view is that such games are not "the best".

All you're doing is stating preference, not a fact. As such, I'd rather argue about something that's more productive. Like transubstantiation. Or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Or what the sound of one hand clapping is like.

Forced?

*Looks around for the Paragon Studios guys and his squad of NCSoft goons holding guns to his head*

I must've missed them.

Let's get this straight. NOBODY is "forced to buy anything in this game. EVER.

Let me repeat this for emphasis.

NOBODY is "forced" to buy anything in this game. EVER.

Real arguments here. Not hyperbole.

If a VIP player wants something, they can simply save up for it.
If the VIP player wants something RIGHT FRICKIN NAO, they make THEMSELVES buy the points. It's not Paragon pushing the issue.

Nobody promised that VIPs would automatically get every last thing introduced to the game for nothing. They're trying to increase revenue, and such a move from a community that's been screaming "Shut up and take my money!" for so long would be utterly senseless.

If you want to feel used and butt-hurt by this fact, the problem is still yours.

They've already given us the in-game ability to unlock many things in the game already. What they're holding back in the points system are LUXURIES.

And, again, this is NOT a free-to-play game.

Maybe you just need to actually pay attention to the details rather than going off on a tear due to wild suppositions and incorrectly assimilated data.

Currently there is one (well, maybe two) methods of adding points to the system.

• Buy them outrght
• Get them as part of your sub

If you start allowing refunds of point transactions, you now have to figure out how to remove the item from every aspect of the user's account and refund the points. You also have to come up with logic for "breaking" scenarios, like "What if they have a StJ character they haven't deleted? Does the toon and everything on it just *POOF*? Is it locked? What if that slot is one they paid for? How can a player get in to strip items off the toon before deleting it? What happens if the player changes their mind later and buys it again?

Basically a huge can of technical "worms". When the simple, straightforward and CORRECT solution is "NO REFUNDS".

You'll start arguing that it's "just one time."

Until the next time. And the next. And the next.
You can argue for any arbitrary time limit you want. Someone is always going to fall afoul of it and want an exception made.
Sooner or later they're ALL exceptions.

Rather than allowing dishonest players to abuse such a system (and yes, it WOULD be abused) they simply avoid it with the "no refunds" policy.



So you believe that this game isn't inventoried and tagged to high heaven?
I'll just step around a corner since most people don't react well to someone laughing in their face.

Basically each and every one of these player options are a tick someplace in the player account. And every item in the game has its own unique ID#.


That doesn't mean that simply turning it back off is easy or straightforward.

There are people who'd abuse the refund period. And any arbitrary timeframe could be argued. My argument is easier and requires less dev and database interaction.

You buy it, it's yours. If you don't like it, the problem, like the item, is still yours.

You'd probably have to ask Paragon themselves. I think the toon would be locked in the same way Masterminds would be locked.

This is a video acceleration issue. If you're still running XP you should be able to turn it off and restore function. If you're on Vista/Win7, you're boned.

However, if you're hitting the Print Screen key, you should still be getting valid screenshots dropped into the screenshot folder under the CoH directory.

It basically opens the door to revolving door purchases and no good way to account for it.

Big places like WalMart can do it with physical inventory because they can absorb the costs of the refunds and/or place items back on shelves.

With electronic media, it's a bit different.

You dropped the points for StJ.
You started a character with it and played it.

Consumption complete.

Nah. He was told that. Several times.

Maybe you should ask for a refund...

Oh wait! Wrong thread...

Tanks. For when you absolutely, positively GOTTA go up and shake hands with the AV's FACE.

I'd honestly recommend the z68 chipset rather than the p series.
However, depending on your motherboard's BIOS revision, you could always upgrade to a nice 6-core CPU and keep most of the components you already have.

I used to be a hardcore Asus guy. Until I had to deal with their customer support. Fecal is about the best word to describe it (that won't get forum-censored).

When the stuff from Asus works. It's fine. But if something isn't working, you're in for a world of pain and stupidity.

OR

The players could just speed-click through the screens and get back to beating face.

They already have one. It's as clear and concise as is possible in the english language (or any other).

NO REFUNDS.



This would be a really good point if they were a Wal-Mart clone.

To take the McDonalds example and put it in proper context.

You bought a hamburger.
You ate the hamburger.
Now you aren't feeling the love anymore.
So you barf it back onto the wrapper and try to return it.

Yeah, they have no way to bring up the power info in the game and adjust the a level slider to give them stats.

Nope. Wish they would.

{/Sarcasm}

Price point is irrelevant.

Did you get early public access to DP and EC? If you did, you most CERTAINLY did NOT get it for free.


And StJ was up on Beta, in OPEN beta for, well, how long?

So you admit, at least, that there WERE official venues for the information.

What the customer bought was POINTS. Transaction over.

The distribution of those points by the player is entirely discretionary. If someone chooses to leap before they look...

Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tags around "revised".

How so? The revised StJ is available to test right now. It's been reported here in the forums.

When, in the past, have they come out with a powerset where they sat down and straight out gave you the spreadsheet of numbers at the time of purchase?

Dual Pistols?
Electric Control?


Venues for obtaining the information are already in place. This is a failure of the customer's portion of due diligence.

If you buy a car, then, 50,000 miles later find out that the turn-signal flasher is located in a place that necessitates disassembly of the dashboard (incurring large labor costs), you can't return the car.


Now please understand. I'm not saying that Paragon couldn't, or shouldn't make the raw numbers on such sets (and not just the graphical appeal) available to people beforehand in a human-readable format. I'm simply saying they haven't done so in the past.

I'm just going to give a big "I dissagree heartily with this sentiment".

If they want to put out powersets that have gee-whiz effects. Cool. Fine. Great. Wonderful.

I draw the line at the power being "superior" in the mathematical sense. A power here and there in the set can be an outlier. But having the ENTIRE set be an upper-end outlier? NO.

That's selling power at that point. BIG FRICKIN' NO-NO!

In light of the problems such an exception would open the floodgates for, YES. It DOES pay them to lose such a customer.

Now we get into the difference between real goods and electronic.

How DO they strip it from your account?
Can/should they bar you from purchasing it again?
How do they refund you?
What happens to toons already created with the power?

NOT WHEN THE CUSTOMER IS WRONG.

I'm in game publishing. Someone comes to a con and buys one of my company's sourcebooks on a Thursday.

Sunday, they come around, unhappy with the book and where the material is going. They want a refund.

NO

I used to work at a truck stop. We'd have a trucker buy a tool, use it, and try returning it, obviously used. Sometimes even without the receipt.

You paid to have the option of building a character with StJ.
You got the option.
If you now, no longer LIKE it, that's tough noogies for you.
Also, why act like the devs have never and will never again rework the balance on a power set?
You are not being LOANED access to the powerset.
You're not RENTING access to the power set.
You're PURCHASING access to the power set.


Sure it is. Because with every exception like this, they run the risk of setting precedent for revolving door purchases.

The only appropriate response to "losing" you is "Buh bye! Can I have your stuff?"

I'll put this in short simple terms you can understand.

If you are the kind of person who acts like this and tries to get over like this you are NOT the kind of customer Paragon wants.

They might put it to you in slightly more diplomatic language. Or just weasel-word around it. But that's the brass tacks of it right there.

Excellent. You're all set then.

Someone is ALWAYS going to be unhappy.
And someone is ALWAYS going to be looking for greener pastures.

NCSoft isn't a bank.
They don't want to have to do more than have you buy points and then debit them from the system. Trading powers in and out with points is an absolute fuster-cluck waiting to happen.

YOU didn't do the due-diligence before buying it.
If you're unhappy with it, go look in the mirror. THAT is the person responsible. Feel free to take out your aggressions on them.