Hyperstrike

1. Survive long enough to kill stuff
2. Hold enemies in place while your team nukes them
3. See #2
4. Dance around while trying to avoid various cheat mechanics that make you about as durable as a blaster and like it.
5. Taunt like crazy and die a lot until you realize that PVP is a gigantic waste of time in CoH.

Lots of luck with those two distinct objectives.

Pardon me if I don't hold my breath for the next infinity-hypercubed millenia.

Sure. Why not? I want to be able to easily ask for (and get) 4 billion for a PVP Unique...

The problem is, this will also wind up hurting PVPers and make these recipes even HARDER to get by any method other than outright purchase through merits/cash/what-have-you.

Basically if PVP was actually a going concern, it'd police itself. Since you really SHOULDN'T be AFK'ing in a PVP zone. The fact that it's successful as it is shows how low and erratic the population in PVP actually is.

Enzymes are like divorces. Very expensive, but worth it.

Basically the AFK farmers are the main reason PVP IOs are available AT ALL. The gating prices for the recipes via various merit systems are fairly steep. And while some people take that route, I'm willing to bet that even with that avenue, the market would absorb 100% of supply in short order leaving nothing available.

Essentially the people damning these guys for providing an actual supply are potheads cursing out their supplier for being bad and selling drugs.

Yep. You can get reward merits. For which you still need piles of Inf to convert to AMs. If you're one of these people with a WW hate-on, this helps you not at all.



Hey, at least the PVP stuff is being used for SOMETHING, rather than standing empty 24x7x365. Right?

I know right? I wonder what vintage that whine is. Seems like a bad year.

My current build opens up with Spring Attack, then Foot Stomp, then begins laying about on anything still moving with ST attacks.

Yep. =)

Bah. I prefer Enzymes (at least until they're nerfed).

You mean PVP kill badges?

Yeah. While I didn't do it this way myself, I'm aware of several people who've done this.

How about crazy-insane defense and damage output?


With amped Fury, this build clears a +0x8 mob of all but the toughest enemies in 2 attacks. And neither of them are KO Blow.

Now the problem is actually getting it an actual priority ahead of base overhauls and Boomtown revamps.

And that's assuming the changes they make are in line with what the players want, not necessarily what it'll take to balance PVP, let alone make it an attractive proposition in the game.

Simply because I agree with the devs on some things, and support them in others doesn't mean I don't find some of their decisions...questionable (let alone downright DUMB). If you want to try and apply my positions on individual points in and about this game to it as a whole, you've already failed.

And if it's any consolation. You're neither required to like anything I say, nor agree with it.

The problem is, you're still talking pay to win. Some players could afford to dump hundreds/thousands onto the market. But some can't. In short, PVP becomes pay to win.


True, but it still doesn't stop the scenario from being pay to win.

On a sarcastic illustration of the economics of scale?

Surely you jest!

My point remains. Do the devs think they can make more off selling a few expensive expensive things to a small group of wealthy minority players? Or selling several orders of magnitude more cheap items to the majority of players?

And which one would give the best returns on investment of time and development resources.

I haven't seen any $9000 monocles in CoH yet.

Rolls Royce or Chevrolet?


The problem is, you cannot guarantee that.
You can't even guarantee that the changes wouldn't drive more people away.
The PVP community right now is probably several hundred people strong at the moment. Talk of them going to 70,000 (a majority of the game's TOTAL population) is absolutely insane. As is asking Paragon and NCSoft to bet the farm on it.

How is someone who states, flat out "I will not engage in PVP. PERIOD." a potential customer in any but the most deluded mind? A good chunk of the PVE population will only enter a PVP zone for:

• Badges
• Temp Powers
• Farming PVP recipes

Maybe not to you. But you don't like my message. So that's going to color your perception.

As I've said, some people simply wouldn't recognize subtlety if they were beaten to death with it and resurrected on a daily basis.

Well, you're obviously not going to change your position. So yeah, I'd change things by not wasting my time trying to explain to you in any way shape or form.

This is what I'm talking about with subtlety and how it is missed.

It was stated that the attractiveness of PVP was a completely separate issue.

I disagreed, vehemently (and graphically), with that statement. The attractiveness is an issue that is part and parcel to the whole giant clump of offal that is the current state of PVP in CoH.

Why? Putting them in terms that are more palatable to you still isn't going to change your position. As such, I'm just going to keep pointing at the elephant in the corner that you're consistently trying to ignore. And I'm not going to be nice about it. Because making the effort to be nice nets me nothing.


There's that term. "Relatively". Luckily for you "compare and contrast" posts are verboten here isn't it?

I'd say that, since Paragon are going to be selling Alignment Change tokens, the point's pretty much moot.

No. Nobody said it was fun.
Nobody even said it was "good for the game".
It simply IS one of the mechanics in the game to limit accumulation of Alignment Merits.

To drive traffic to the alignment system, they put in several rewards for participating.

1. 50 Reward Merits on first affirming your alignment (Hero or Villain).
2. 1 Alignment Merit on reaffirming your alignment (Hero or Villain).
3. A power tied to an alignment on a 7 day delay for all alignments.
4. The ability to change sides (Rogue and Vigilante).

To prevent people from milking the VERY valuable AMs, they put a limit on how many tip missions count towards your Alignment movement in a day.

They also put a limit on how many tip missions you could hold.

They also put a limit on how many tip missions could be earned in a 20 hour period.

About the only one that wouldn't be detrimental to remove would be the last one.

Being rude and curmudgeonly on this won't change anything. All it'll do is stop people from interacting with you.

The devs never promised you "convenience".
And they've SPECIFICALLY said that they didn't want players simply flipping back and forth at will (now likely modified to "without paying for it").

YOU do not care for the reason for the way this is set up.
So YOU act as if there was no reason.
I gave you the reason.
You still do not like it.
So YOU act as if there is still no reason.

I tried to keep it as monosyllabic as possible to limit confusion for you.

So, in the future you have two options for changing alignment.

Free: You pay no real money, but it takes 2 days.
Not Free: You can pay real money and rights RIGHT NOW.

Honestly, not really worth it.

In fact, while I have a slot open for it on my current SS/Inv Brute and Inv/SS tank, I'm probably going to reassign it someplace else.

NCSoft and Paragon Studios are businesses. Not charities. They give you one way of earning it in game. Not convenient enough for you? Pay them money.

Don't like it? BOO HOO!

There. That simple an unambiguous enough for you?

No it's not. There's rationale there. YOU simply don't subscribe to it because it's inconvenient for YOU.

The devs didn't want players flipping back and forth between alignments at will when the system first started.

Now, with F2P, they're going to monetize that desire. You can either spend 4 days flipping from full hero to full villain (or vice-versa), or you can pay real money for an alignment change token which will accomplish the same thing instantly.