Hammerfall

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3 break frees gives res to KB. Thats to many break frees, which can be burned by a controller. acrobatics is a must for a squishy in PvP, theres just so many KB powers out there.

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What powers did you test against that you needed 3 bfs?

Depends on the magnitude of KB maybe, whether its something like force bubble or KB attacks, because so far I have done ok with just one at a time. But I admit I havent done extensive testing. I can farm for sirens call force of will insps which give good resistance for 3 minutes at a time.

And once again I seem to run into the same prejudice, that ALL pvp happens at arena at lvl 50.. In zones I see acrobatics as useless or at best unneeded. I see where youre going to, but I feel the need to disagree. Spending two or three power slots for something like acrobatics, well, I still don't see acro as worth it. Especially as I dont like super jump in the first place.

But, I don't mind, as I like doing things differently from other people even if it means not quite reaching the top.

Dunno how much the I7 changes affect me after all.. Before I7 I got two 3vP matches which my team won and I got most kills from my team, but after I7 my team lost (against very good team though) And I played all the matches without acrobatics.

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I think ive cracked it

playing with me blasty wasty Lui (energy blast)

then playing with my peacebringer (kheldian...stuff)

ive worked out why the human form PB blasts...wel...suck

energy blast is (i think all0 but mostly energy/SMASH)

kheldians (-incandesant strike not even a blast but o wel!)

their blasts r just energy

which is - the smash n i dont think people realised this would make the dmg...well...suck tbh

i think we either need to have smash added in

or

just the energy attacks much stronger tbh cos they r just so weak

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if you think the blasts are so weak pick up Nova form, Nova is designed to be the heave damage dealer in kheldians.

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Human form seems to do more damage than nova when cosmic balance is working, pity cosmic balance only works with human form.

I still am not getting any thrills because of the mind-boggling endurance consumption and lack of status protection.

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Like the toggle drop nerfs didn't destroy pvp enough yet

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It didnt (notice sarchasm). It just made a whole AT suddenly disappear from PvP

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Propably only those who wanted it easy playing overpowered blappers.. Didnt make my blaster leave pvp. Im just PvEing currently to get to 50.

But on-topic, the debt-change is definitely a bad one, judging from my experiences in the zones recently. Debt is now unavoidable and automatic addition to pvp. Anybody taken look at recluses victory? PvE mobs are EVERYWHERE. Sirens and warburg are almost as bad. Totally stupid. I cannot understand where Cryptic is going with this change.

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Ia ICE completely useless then? i was thinking of grabbing block of ice and slapping some serious ACC and Hold in it for pinning down any psi bosses etc, likely to work?

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Block of ice is great for holding troublesome PvE opponents. Ice storm is pretty bad though. Too short duration and long recharge. The ranged attack is ok I guess. Single target immobilize is ok for an immob, but why would you want one on a tank?

Block of ice is the only epic left on my tank currently.

You don't need to be fire to be suicidal

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OK....i'll have a crack at this.

No one is saying that PvP is balanced for solo. Thats why I'll do a league and not a cup at the moment. Be nice to know who the best solo'ers are though. People always go on about rock-scissors-paper. Well I think its time we found out who the best rock is, the best scissors and the best paper are.

I don't even know if its balanced for teams to be honest.

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I agree. If we'd end up with a specific team composition for team league that would win more than others, then it wouldn't be any more balanced than 1vs1. Since I have seen powernova(a defender) beat a blaster(or was it a scrapper) in a duel, I think there is more to dueling than people give credit to.

Having a duelist league would give us some results to talk about. Denying something without even trying is not very intelligent imo.

Since the possibility of a duel exists at Arena menu, I think having a league and/or discussion is valid. Like I said in my removed post, I will participate with my blaster, Captain Skyfire, once I get to 50.

We might want to hold a league at lower lvl as well.

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Tuesday is a no go again!

Monday would be doable though, at 7 ish??

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Monday is ok for me.. what about the rest of you?

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Afaik you don't. (henches tp to you if you get too far, remember). I was tp foed by a /dev blaster during test server event and I lived thru it couple of times.
Unfortunately I dont have high lvl MM now, so I cant test.

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They only auto TP to you if you get them a set distance away from the MM.

You don't have to TP them far, just so that they don't get Bodygaurd and your henchs don't auto TP to them. I'm sure any scrapper/tanker/blapper could kill an MM in the time it takes their hences to run to them.

Helps if you TP them so that when the henchs do come running, they will have things in there way.

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Yes, but what I tried to say that I didnt manage to get to a situation where bodyguard didn't function.. Do you know the distance when bodyguard stops functioning then? Afaik the henchman auto-tp is about 200 yards.

In RV test server event I moved my henches in a sort of 'moving fortress' fashion, ordering henches to stay put, and use SS myself. After I got the about 200 yds away, all bots dropped from the sky to the same spot. Repeat procedure as much as I wanted, ensuring that all my henches were ready to fight from their 'base of operations', and I had a place where I could retreat to if I got into trouble.
If I spotted enemies, I laid down a poison trap in midst of my bots and tp foed enemy to it. Doing this I avoided the possibility of my bots being scattered all over the countryside.

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Two words. Bodyguard mode.

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Providing someone doesn't TP Foe you away from your Henchs, as you in to be near them for Bodyguard mode to work.

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Afaik you don't. (henches tp to you if you get too far, remember). I was tp foed by a /dev blaster during test server event and I lived thru it couple of times.
Unfortunately I dont have high lvl MM now, so I cant test.

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I don't think Pyra will be able to make it until Monday at the earliest as she is away from today until then.

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Ok, how about tuesday evening?, 7pm?

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In the arena you may see less different players, but you will face many different types of AT's, and enjoy differnet game types, and most importantly, PROPER teamwork.


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Well for instance getting to fight a scrapper that is NOT regen in arena is very rare event for me..Happened in 3vP yes, but in tourneys you get to play so little PvP compared to the time invested..

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There is absolutely nothing in zonal pvp that can get even slightly close to the fun of pentad, or for that matter, even three man 3vp.

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Last three times when I have asked for duel in arena channel, the responses have been either "<silence>" or "sorry, Im looking for lvl 50 match". When I go to zones, there are nearly always people there.

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This is a change that people had been asking for for a while. This will reduce debt in PvP zones.

The point of PvP zones is PvP, if you are fighting another player and an npc lands the final blow then you used to get full debt. now you don't. That was one of the few things that stopped me from PvP before. WOOT.

If you were fighting NPCs and a player landed the last hit you didnt used to get debt, now you do. the zones are for PvP after all, not PvE. and this change encourages PvP and discourages farming NPCs

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Even though I see where youre going to, I still suspect this will INCREASE debt instead of reducing it. We'll see.

Not having NPCs attack you is darn near impossible in Sirens call.. Unless you fly like 1 mile high..

Besides, afaik Sirens call requires us to fight NPCs in order to gain control of zone..

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OK, Captain Skyfire, Starstorm and I are happy to reschedule.

Could the rest of you guys possibly let me know if you can make another night and then we can all agree on one maybe?

I absolutely will not be there on Thursday so am keen to sort this out!

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Would friday evening be ok for you people? Im not entirely sure sunday is Ok for me, propably, but I may have some friends visiting..

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Also, for MMs, Fitness is quite useless. You'll most probably never suffer from low endurance since the pets will do the work for you.


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Its not that simple.

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Personally, there are certain tactics in PvP that I do think are cheap, drone and mob TP'ing for example. . Trollers holding or stalkers AS'ing are not amongst those.

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This is one case where Ill agree, drone teleporting is bad. I don't mind if Im teleported to mines, caltrops,tar patch or whatever player-based. Even teleport in midst of other players for ganking. But not drones.

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As a Claws SR myself I can not understate the importance of getting Focus as soon as possible (18), this is one of the most effective powers in the set as the knockdown basically allows you to floor your chosen opponents and attack pretty much unmolested, this works especially well with Freak Tanks who have high resistance to Lethal but take ages to get up from a knockback.

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3 slots, not two, yes? SS is the one that caps with 2.

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Which has made me wonder whether 3-slotting ss on my stalker is worth it due to hefty -speed of stealth. Kinda offtopic being stalker, but..

On the other hand hide+invisibility doesnt give -speed..

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Excellent, they actually listened to our suggestions, woot!
Though, the pain of this is when a stalker decides to off you in one, when you're in the middle of fighting NPC's. Normally this would be -somewhat- safe if you were already hurt, the stalker could remove you with AS without the worry of the NPC getting in the final hit.

Now all it will do is guarantee you debt that you were going to 'heal off'. Oh well, I suppose that means there is absolutely no excuse to go rake the NPC's in the PVP zones now, eh? Its going to be nasty for hotspots in Sirens Call though. I havent been back to PVP since i7 came back, I dont suppose they thinned out the number of NPC mobs at all did they? Couldnt swing my [cough] without hitting a bloody NPC.

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I take there is sarcasm in this post, yes? If I go to AS person fighting in a hotspot, this means they get debt now? As if my stalker doesn't get enough bad press already..

seriously.. WHAT THE HECK IS THIS CHANGE FOR EXCEPT ENCOURAGE GRIEFING?

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Unfortunately MaX seems right, compared to powers from primary , the presence pool powers are poo.

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Hmm.. on a dominator?

For poison I recommend trying to squeeze neurotoxic breath in there somewhere.

This change is just plain stupid, in my opinion.

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I like the part about PVP not being fair the best. The trick to PVP is making the unfair part not happen to you, but to your opponent .

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Great statement! I concur.

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I think the order of slotting is more suited to a brute really. The primaries are what make any AT the AT imo. I'd slot to make the primaries real good first and then make it so i am putting the primaries to use in teams like i would with any AT.


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My personal advice is that lvls 1-10 slot attacks only regardless what AT you are. This is to make soloing possible. After lvl 10 start slotting defensive powers. I have found that for soloing your way thru the early game you want the attacks slotted (of course you want the powers themselves, what Im saying is that basic slot is enough). Having TOs in defensive powers isnt worth it. Only after you get DOs you want slots in the powers.

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Terrify is an AWESOME power, it's a very large cone, decent debuff, long duration fear, nice recharge and good AoE damge. Invoke panic? That's just [censored]

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Unfortunately MaX seems right, compared to powers from primary , the presence pool powers are poo. I was thinking of having this 'master of fear' dominator with PP intimidate and invoke panic, good thing they handed out that freespec