Hammerfall

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However, I wanted to point out that the AVs will NEVER go down unless there is a concentrated effort of taking them down.

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Our VG has taken down all the RV Hero GMs with 1 Brute, 2 Corrs and 2/3 Heavies.

It's really not as difficult as you make it out to be.

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I am referring to my own experiences. I have been in RV with 2-3 teams of heroes and killing the AVs has failed. Propably because of lack of teamwork and inability to separate them not to mention villain sabotage but that counts as well. I now have the AV badges on my main so I couldnt care less what happens to them from now on. For honesty I am still thinking those unfortunates who dont have the badges yet.

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What rewards? For me its reward enough knowing I beat someone or even just put up a good challenge.
The AV's seem ok to me. As you say, its pretty easy to stop the AV's spawning. If your loosing so badly that they do spawn then maybe a big powerful signature AV which is difficult to take down is exactly what you need to swing the balance.

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You mean you are actually fighting for the control of the zone on Union? Thats cool, Id love to see it happen on Defiant too. The rewards I was referring to are the xp/inf/prestige from destroying turrets, nothing to do with taking boxes. Actually its best not to take control of boxes so you can destroy the turrets on the last one as well. For getting pillbox badges obviously the fastest way is to take turns claiming the box instead of fight each other. Same for heavy badges should someone bother. At least devs removed the possiblity of dismissing the turrets of a claimed box so the other side could claim it quicker..

(note I dont do nor am interested in any of this, Im just stating facts as they are)

The AVs also automatically spawn when one side controls 4 boxes. Again nothing to do with the actual control of the zone.

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If I was running a team of 20 to badgerate the zone, unless there's a concerted effort from another team, the other side shouldn't even get out of the doors, or make it past the spotters by each turret. In the hypothetical 20-1 case you mentioned, I genuinely can't see how it would happen unless the '1' is very gifted, or the 20 need to get themselves sorted.

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Stalkers familiar to you?

ps. It seems that there is actual PVP on union RV, which I am happy about. It just isnt happening where I am.

I want to make it clear that im firmly in the camp of "anything goes inside a pvp zone".

However, I wanted to point out that the AVs will NEVER go down unless there is a concentrated effort of taking them down. They are tough enough to survive a zoneful of heroes or villains. Especially since the AVs of different sides will never spawn at the same time..

I also consider the current 'fight for the control of the zone' system utterly failed, because you get better rewards for NOT trying to fight each other..

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And no matter what the reason, I still consider it unfair or bad design that a single person can sabotage so efficiently the efforts of 20+ people.

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Requiring the 20 people to *gasp* actively PvP, instead of using the zone for non-PvP purposes?


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You can easily despawn the AVs whether or not the 20 people actively PVP..

Unfortunately I dont have high enough characters on union so I cannot participate to your RV events. I am also taking a sabbatical from PVP.

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The AV's arent there to be farmed. During the build up to RV one of the big "selling points" was that a signiture hero/villain would turn up and help if one side was getting royally spanked.

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A noble idea, unfortunately we all know it doesnt quite work like that..

And no matter what the reason, I still consider it unfair or bad design that a single person can sabotage so efficiently the efforts of 20+ people.

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If the event is to take place in a PvP zone, you should also take into account the fact that other players may be using the zone, and it's perfectly reasonable for players in a PvP zone to engage other players they encounter in PvP.

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I dont know should the RV AV hunts be declared a special case or not. It takes multiple teams of people on one side to even attempt beating the AVs, and on the other side all the opposing side needs to do is gain control of one pillbox (can do it easily solo) and the AVs will despawn and the beating AVs is foiled. And you got an awful lot of angry people on one side. The devs could maybe change the system so that the AVs will not immediately despawn.

ps. Whoever it was complaining about me not being a mod: told you so.

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Just to clarify then, if your in a PvP zone your fair game. Purposefully setting out to stop an event in a PvP zone is also fair game but not everyone will like it and thats tough on them. You can either let them have their way and leave the zone or block all communication and continue anyway safe in the fact you are not insulting anyone or doing a petitionable offense. Just be prepared for them stopping you have your fun in stopping them having theirs.

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This is the correct interpretation of how the PVP zones are.. I know getting the RV AV badges is next to impossible if the opposing side is sabotaging it..And Ive flown off the handle myself when its been done to me but unfortunately Stryker is still right. They have a right to do it. Tough.

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Claws have a widly resisted damage type (Lethal) so unless it fits in with your concept then might be best to avoid them if you plan on doing alot of PvP. That said I really like the Claws pool for PvE and casual PvP.

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On the other hand, Claws is the other of the only two primaries offering ranged attacks (the other being spines). My PVP stalker is claws/nin. More because it looks cooler than everything though. Its not for scrapping stalkers I admit.

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Most pvp damage : Fire/cold

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I have to hear the reasoning on this.

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QFT to say something is most damaging you either need high self damage buffs (kinetics) or high resistance debuffs (Sonic/* */Rad */Dark)

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Wouldnt call 20% High

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And dark has tar patch for -30% and rad gets -22.5% from EF..

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Thank you everyone for a most co-operative and enjoyable raid, be asssured I'll be a familiar face in the near future for leading more raids , nice to see some regular Forumites there too; good job! As Mael has already said, this was a tad sketchy with a widespread d/c affecting some players, and an individual who i shall not speak of decided it would be fun to be most non co-operative and start scrapping hami. Apart from that, thanks for making this raid a good'un!

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Good job all, and you cap.

The PA coverage and hamitanking went better than in the previous 3 raids combined.

The mass disconnection was a nailbiter, but to my surprise, holder team wasnt wiped even while I DC:ed and we still pulled it off. Excellent.

.. now if only I hadnt lost my HO due to a SG base bug afterwards..

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I'd honestly have to say that I'd consider that build really sub-optimal, with or without MoG.


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Why would it be suboptimal? Im propably going the no-MoG route myself with my MA/regen. Instead opting for revive, hehe.

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The rules are there are no rules.

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The only real rule is against swearing and bad language as per the official code of conduct.

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An "Attack my target" macro is also very important imo - if I'm jumped I like to focus my Heavy's attention on my attacker asap rather than have it keep working on a turret/Arachnos boss while I'm being debuffed and whittled down.

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You can get that by dragging the icon from the pet window to your power bar, though. Also, the attack-my-target causes more pathfinding issues than goto.

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Just to clarify, do you mean you can set up your own macros for them? Such as you can with basic MM pets?

Because that's pretty nifty.

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Only thing you need with a heavy is imo
/macro goto "petcom_all goto aggressive"
which is used to put the heavy close to the turrets so it will use its mega-attack.. Also since pathfinding with follow and attack is poor, I have noticed that goto-command works best for solving pathfinding problems.

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Take it, Hammi costumes are still for blasters - red, or are we worried about the colouring of each others costumes ??

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Dont think we are, as long as the costumes are capeless, auraless and trenchcoatless(buttcapes count as a cape obviously )

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I guess he got debt and I didn't, which would appear to make it a bit of a dubious victory, but it's clearly possible.

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You havent received debt from being droned for a long time. It was changed wayy back.

ps. If you want to bypass drones its possible as long as theres a blind spot.. Tp works best.

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I've already said, I won't be doing any more raids. As you will very soon find out, after your sixth or seventh time leading hamidon raids becomes incredibly tedious and boring as hell.

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You mean leading them. I reckon Hami-Os are still quite lucrative enough for you to show up, hit once and lie facedown/up the rest of the raid

Just for you not entirely well-versed in PVP,

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I hear they're being banned in i9. Hopefully this will stop all the cheaters. <-- Joke

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As for the original question, inspirations are perfectly fine. This issue resurfaces every once in a while when people relatively new to PVP listen too much to the moaners

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as it says in the title, i want to know what the worst possible controller primary secondary combo could be, mainly cos i want to try it. any idea?

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There is none.

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And those are exactly the reasons why I love the beach. Running away is a viable tactic!

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Movement is central to PvP, and I have no qualms with running away at all. Running into a safe zone packed with PvE mobs and Drones is just immensely cheap, especially when it 'coincides' with your tier 9 dropping.

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I thought the reason people use beach is because there are no PvE mobs there.. Or at least less than in other parts of WB.. It is also easy to find if youre matchmaking via broadcast.. No comment on the runners though..

ps. You do know of course that the base is only a safe zone to those of the same side.. a villain can come right at the hero boat and kill you..

The reason I got infuriated futher and kept this thread going was some peoples responses. Not the heavies. For that reason you can count me out of PVP until further notice. No more test server night, lowbie battle royale, sirens call, RV or arena fights from me from now on. Thanks Weasel for at least attempting to behave civil and backing me.

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and heavies prevent me from trying 1v1

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That isnt what the zone is for anyway. If its 1 v 1 you want then arena is a far better place to try.

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I meant to point out that the high rewards in RV exist because the place is supposed to be risky. It sure as hell isnt as it is.

Last post from me for now. Have fun grinding inf there or what the hell you use the zone for anyway.

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What has that got to do with anything?

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Ie. I can't switch to a more suitable character in a given situation in RV.. If theres no one to team with and heavies prevent me from trying 1v1, then its all for nothing and grinders can just continue to grind away in total peace.

Anyway the responses and general demeanor in this thread has made me depressed. Sign me off from PVP until further notice.

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Which AT would this be then? Please illuminate me. I don't just play one AT in RV, I play a number of different ATs - depending on day, mood, prevailing wind and what the old Chinese guy under our staircase advises me - can you say the same?

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Not all of us are entitled to multiple 40+ characters. SOme of us have to make do with what we got.

Theres a fair few of the mez protection powers that dont give protection to confuse. For instance invul tankers unyielding is susceptible to fear and confuse. You guys just meddle too much with clear mind to notice this