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He made a mistake though. You CAN test the fourth mission wihtout having to run through the whole thing. Drag and drop the mission to wherever you want it. Don't forget to put it back once you are done or the arc will be somehwat hard to understand

I know of a few people who are going to try out CoH because of the MA. So that is good news for all of us. Now to make sure they come to our servers and those american ones.

May you enjoy the Cake!

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actually one other thing i could do with feedback on. when you upload a critter mission or costume. do you want people to download them? and how? plain text on screen or plain text download was what i was thinking.

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You mean downloading the whole critter file? I think I would like that yes. And being able to upload and download them as text file or just using copy/paste would be my preference.

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Now admitedly it would have been nice if there had been some variety in the mob types and I had up till positrons statement been tempted to create a series of maps filled with my favorit spawns so i could go on a smash happy rampage. But now i'm not so sure as it may get labeled as a exploit and get loose me a mission slot.

so yes dependant on my mood i find farming fun.

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To be honest, that sounds like a giggle, actually. And the only way it would fall foul of the "exploit" issue is if there's nothing challenging included in your list. Sure, that's rather subjective, but just make sure you include some nasty lieuts and bosses in there and it should be fine.

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Or when you put a timer on it. Can you clear the map before the timer runs out?

Well, I did a few test custom_critters farms for those badges.

The farming playstyle is essentially the same gamestyle I enjoyed doing in other MMorpgs. Going through mobs like a well oiled machine is kinda fun in its own way. But I get tired of it fast.

Well you should be skeptical, it looks as if nobody has responded to this. I wish I could help out, but my English is not good enough by a far shot.

What I consider an exploit?

Every single action you do to improve yourself in contrast with the intention of the game.


What I consider a punishable exploit is something else. The current misuse of the MA system to PL and farm influence/tickets etc is something that I deem worthy to be considered a punishable exploit.

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We haven't specified the exact extent of the measures we are taking against farming and those who have benefited from it, so let's not over-react.

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I think that's the problem

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Nah, the problem is that NCSoft waited too long before taking a clear and firm stance on MA farming. They should have gone on the forums a week or two ago and basically said "We consider the MA farming to be an exploit. Don't do it. We are looking into ways to shut it down, and players who continue to abuse it might have some form of punishment imposed: we haven't decided yet."

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Yup, that would have been a good way to deal with this. But better late then never.

Anything that slows, heals, blinds, buffs or debuffs.

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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.

If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.

They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.

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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!

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Soooo if i understand correctly.

You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.

After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?

So that means that you are NOT a thief right?

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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!

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Wrong

Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal

stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal

Comparison is very valid.

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Just read this post (and not very many others so I dunno if this has already been put to rest or whatever), but the analagy is in fact incorrect. A more apt analagy would be a man sees an apple tree sporting many apples in a public park with people taking some at random points during the day, when he finds a policeman he asks him if it's illegal to take apples from the tree, when the response is "no" he goes back to the tree and takes a few. It's not a perfect analagy and that's because thievery is a very different 'crime' to abusing an exploit, I did the best with what was given lol.

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Sorry for the piramid thing, but i think you need to read the OP post to.

I think that you make a mistake here. When we use your analogy the story would be:

A man sees an apple in a public park. He notices it is full apples and that it is easy to take one of these apples. He knows that that is wrong so he warns a police officer. The police officer says thank you for the warning. Then when the park opens he sees that the apples are still hanging there and decides to steal one.

It might be that he saw others stealing it first. But that is not relevant.

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MA abuse was mentioned in the I14 patch notes, and players were told it was not allowed.
The warning has been in place since I14 went live - and if people ignored it, then that doesn't mean they're not guilty of abusing the system.

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Link to the warning in I14 patch notes ?

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Here's the important part:

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NCsoft reserves the right to ban any missions that contain any exploits that provide unintended statistical advantages. Players and/or “authors” that advertise exploitable missions through our forums, in-game chat system or through the Mission Architect system may be banned from the Mission Architect System or may have their game account closed.


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The rest is on the I14 Patch Notes thread in the Announcements section.

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Thanks for the save here

I couldn't find a good quote in the EULA (thanks for letting me read that legalised piece of.... )

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Right well Emperor Lol hasn't replied to my proof PM so I'll just assume the poster is fine and I can post it here.

Click Me

Spent quite a bit of time on this and the title was a happy accident. The steam engulfing Walter Steamworth on the right was a bit of a pain to do, but I think it paid off.

I've completed Mercury's proof and await a response.

Next on the list is for me to go through Grinning Spade's arc...

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Wow, nice poster that! I can't wait to see what you turn up next.

Ps. Don't feel obliged to create a poster if you dislike my arc. But if you do, then I think it needs plenty of pink
Pps. The author is Gunbunny, not Grinning Spade (I am just her 'spokesperson', it's a rp thing)

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Yes, they are both illegal. Claiming they are not is incorrect.

So the comparison stands. It is not important HOW illegal it is, it is only important if it is illegal or not. Since the OP claimed that he had done nothing wrong when he clearly did.

I am not talking about punishments. Just about morals.

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..and that's why the comparizon isn't even near being valid. I'm talking about the devs actions, you're talking about the players actions that I don't give a censored, censored and censored about. Neither does any other poster you guys are arguing with here.


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Well I censored care about players whining that they did nothing wrong. Blaming the Dev's for the acts of a bunch of cheaters is wrong wrong wrong.

There is plenty things to blame the Dev's for, but that does not shift the blame from the true wrongdoers.

And yes, I want this game to thrive and i blame greedy stupid cheaters for the mess just as much as I blame the devs for giving them so much opportunity.

All they can do now is damage control. And if that means that some cheaters leave? Good riddance.

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Or didn't you talk about that retroactive punishment?

For the record.

Proactive punishment is the less common variant of punishing somebody. Normally you punish somebody for things already done. Therefore is not every punishment a retroactive one?

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Usually you warn someone that he/she will get punished for doing something.

If a boss tells an employee to NOT read a letter and the employee does anyway he can be punished.

If the boss didnt warn the employee before he cant punish him/her retroctively cause the emplyoee didnt know he will get punished for it.

Thats how its handled in the "normal" world aynway, otherwise you can just change the rules and fire people for doing something that wasnt "forbidden" before.


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You clearly have a very 'optimistic' view about bosses. There are things like written and unwritten rules.

A boss expect that you work for him in the hours that he pays you, he also expects you not to steal from the office stores or do things that could harm the company.

So if you talk about things that are sensitive and cost your boss a million pound contract you bet that he will be very angry at you, possibly even firing you. You should have known better.

In this case, this was obviously an exploit, using an exploit is against the EULA, case closed.

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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.

If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.

They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.

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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!

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Soooo if i understand correctly.

You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.

After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?

So that means that you are NOT a thief right?

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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!

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Wrong

Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal

stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal

Comparison is very valid.

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Stealing an apple is illegal!
Killing 12 million people illegal!

Do you wanna compare those two?


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Yes, they are both illegal. Claiming they are not is incorrect.

So the comparison stands. It is not important HOW illegal it is, it is only important if it is illegal or not. Since the OP claimed that he had done nothing wrong when he clearly did.

I am not talking about punishments. Just about morals.

Shame, both are good maps, this means a lot of arcs will become invalid.

Very big shame that they did NOT put it in the patch notes. I think that we have every right to demand to know what they change in such things so we can adjust our published works accordingly.

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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.

If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.

They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.

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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!

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Soooo if i understand correctly.

You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.

After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?

So that means that you are NOT a thief right?

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One simple response: Comparison invalid: Useless!

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Wrong

Exploiting is illegal (in this game)
Stealing is illegal

stealing after warning is illegal
exploiting after warning is illegal

Comparison is very valid.

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Again farming comm officers is NOT an exploit.
I wrote several petitions in beta how easy those mobs can be farmed for xp.....they knew it.

If the devs thought of comm officers to be an exploit they could have removed them 1 week after I14 went live and it became obvious... they didnt.
But they did remove other mobs like prisoners in one day without much trouble.

They knew it, they could have removed the comm officers from MA in one day... they didnt.. so they have no right to blame players now.

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God.mmit! You're my hero, my idol! I think I love you, but not in - that - way!

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Soooo if i understand correctly.

You see a wallet on the table next to you. You tell the person whoms wallet it is, that a thief could grab it. He replies politely but the wallet stay on the table. It ends when you steal the wallet from the table and run away.

After all you did WARN him that there are thieves and that they could steal his wallet right?

So that means that you are NOT a thief right?

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To add to valdemars list.
Non marcone family bosses.
3 every steel mayhem since they apparently don't spawn in zones anymore.
Anyway my main beef is retroactive punishment.

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Well the Dev who thought of removing those bosses should have his own valentines day!

Or didn't you talk about that retroactive punishment?

For the record.

Proactive punishment is the less common variant of punishing somebody. Normally you punish somebody for things already done. Therefore is not every punishment a retroactive one?

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But comparing Positron to Bush? Isn't that a bit harsh?

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Um, if the shoe fits! This is a very typical post 9/11 reaction imho. Panic, drop a nuke, wonder why people hate you for doing it!

Paragon needs their own Obama, obviously! War Witch for president!

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I would vote for her.

But I think Positron made a bold step. Better late then never. How they will do this thing we will find out soon.

Will this be a fullscaled invasion or just some UN sanctions as a warning. Time will tell.

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It was not an exploit I hear people say.

Hello?

Did the Devs create a tool intended to be used as a quick farming device? NO THEY DID NOT.

They gave us a tool which as an unforeseen side effect proved to be the ultimate farming tool. A tool so efficient that any other farming methods pale by comparison. Even farmers started to complain about this!

This was common knowledge. And if you did not realize that, then you should stop playing this game because you are to young to do so unsupervised.

So what is it called when people misuse a tool like that to gain an advantage they should not have?

An exploit.

You do the crime, you do the time.

I think it a very good thing that they step on this once and for all. I just hope they do this with full speed and are not afraid to do more then a little slap on the wrist.

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It wasn't hard to find!
It was WIDELY used for DAYS!
It was KNOWN to the devs that people where WIDELY using it!
Devs did nothing for DAYS!
and no, it wasn't an obvious exploit for a lot of players, since obviously a lot of them where very new to the game.

So, how do you KNOW when something is against the Eula or an exploit? Where do you draw the line? and how does it benefit the game?

I'm REALLY glad the "exploit" is gone. REALLY, REALLY happy. I'm NOT happy about Mr Republican neo-Bush alias Posi is going about it. It's bad for the game. That's my one and only point.

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Yes, they should have reacted earlier.
Yes, it was an error that they didn't see this exploit
Yes, newbies should not be punished because they indeed don't know enough about how the game should be played.
No, veterans claiming that they didn't know that this was not an exploit are either lying through their teeth or dangerously stupid.

I personally think that everybody who has blatantly misused the system should be 'punished' by revoking their ill gained benefits. Everybody else should get a warning.

But comparing Positron to Bush? Isn't that a bit harsh?

It was not an exploit I hear people say.

Hello?

Did the Devs create a tool intended to be used as a quick farming device? NO THEY DID NOT.

They gave us a tool which as an unforeseen side effect proved to be the ultimate farming tool. A tool so efficient that any other farming methods pale by comparison. Even farmers started to complain about this!

This was common knowledge. And if you did not realize that, then you should stop playing this game because you are to young to do so unsupervised.

So what is it called when people misuse a tool like that to gain an advantage they should not have?

An exploit.

You do the crime, you do the time.

I think it a very good thing that they step on this once and for all. I just hope they do this with full speed and are not afraid to do more then a little slap on the wrist.

I think they should do two things.

a. Punish the most blatantly abusers of the exploits.
b. Make sure that everyone is warned! Put one of those pop up messages into the game.
c. From that moment, apply the banhammer strict and immediately.

I sincerely hope they will be able to back up these fighting words.

Remember, this game has NO ENDGAME. There is NO REASON to hurry to get to level 50. Enjoy the ride up, team a bit with others and just enjoy the ride.

However, there is a very fast way to get to level 50. Join a farm team. It is however, a sure way to not enjoy the game. My advice is, don't do it, until you have a few 50's under your build and want to play something else and you want to pass the content you have done before.

May the cake be with you on fourth Day.