Grey Pilgrim

Well, sidetracking a bit here. I do agree that Peacebringers need polishing still compared to Warshades (already posted on that enough here). Not really sure why some of those issues weren't addressed in Castle's pass last year, to be honest (he noticed Dwarf form for Warshades needed a little help, but not the more glaring differences in human powers for Warshades and Peacebringers... well, mostly he didn't do anything, I'm hoping he saw them).

Still, you are being a little overstrong even with this. Warshades can surpass Peacebringers, but their performance has extreme ups and downs, and they weaken in drawn out fights considerably. Peacebringers are pretty consistent in their performance, however.

This has been discussed to death in the Kheldian forums, actually. Warshades hurt a bit in Croatoa and against the CoT, because there aren't as many bodies left over to use their powers on. They have a harder time against EBs and things like Master Illusionists that take longer to kill, too.

Warshades are able to pull off things that Peacebringers can't, true... just wanted to cover all the bases. They both look fun and flashy in play, though.

He doesn't like VEATs because of their playstyle. I've read that, as have others in the thread (Bill also responded to those people, saying that's what he meant). Stop putting him in false positions.

If he was arguing that VEATs were gimpy, I'd get on his case as well... they're clearly able to do quite a bit in this game (though even VEAT lovers will agree those first 24 levels are a pain... it's not all rainbows). But he's not.

Debate what people are saying, rather than running to a straw man setup.

Bill, you do realize no one is saying a VEAT can't be fun for some people, right? Or that the things you like to play aren't viable, right?

They're mostly trying to argue against the bias that Kheldians are somehow "fail." (and also the misconception that you can't run one without a ton of cash, as you are implying- my triform Peacebringer is only half slotted out with IOs, and most of those are very cheap sets) Arguing for that does not negate what you find as fun. Memphis Bill or me or someone else not liking VEATs for what they are does not mean we are "clueless." It just means we don't like the playstyle they present to us.

I can see how the ATs are set up, and find what I like. I have mostly Tanks, some Scrappers, Blasters, two Kheldians, two Controllers, and a Stalker. I have difficulty enjoying Defenders and VEATs... not because they're badly set up, just because I don't enjoy their playstyle. Villains are also hard because I don't really enjoy being a villain.

I really have to say it again, look around your bias. Clearly, you do not enjoy playing your Kheldians. That's cool. But it shouldn't make you be dismissive of the AT, either (as you have been more than once in this thread).

Dang... I wish I would have some drop. I had one drop on that Tuesday night SG Voo ran awhile back, and that's it. I do play my alts more than my 50s, but I have played them enough to expect more than one drop in all this time.

You just had to ask Eric, thanks a lot. *shakes fist in rage*

Funny, I always fear the Illusionists more with the heroes I'm currently running with. My AR/En Blaster has enough defense to dodge that nasty Mask of Vitiation the Mistresses toss at you, and he can stun and kill them in succession. Those darn Illusionists keep phasing, won't stay stunned, and summon a ton of friends. Not fun for my Blaster or Controller.

I can see the reverse being true for a Peacebringer, since they'd probably get hit by Mask of Vitiation, but be able to last through the Illusionists okay.

The problem, however, is your metric.

Is Fiery Aura weaker at tanking (as in damage it can sustain) than the best ones, like WP, Invuln, and Stone? Probably.

But that's one metric. Can it tank? Overwhelming yes. And that's really all that matters. A Fiery Aura tank can be built to tank anything this game can throw at them. And I would prefer to solo or run with my Fiery Aura than most of my other tanks: and I like them all, really.

That doesn't mean Fiery Aura doesn't have some wonky issues that SHOULD be ironed out (Consume and Burn issues, maybe a little more resistance). It can still tank, though.

+2 with how many enemies? I had my triform PB fighting above heroic levels and he didn't have issues soloing. Though I suppose he hadn't fought any Carnies yet, Rikti were okay. The bosses were a little slower, but those Rikti bosses are slow for most people unless you can do rare damage like Fire.

Ha, I just noticed this, Wartron. You worked on "nearly nothing," but played more than I did!

Careful, Peter... same vengeful person is handing out negative rep for statements in this thread.

Tunnel snakes rule, apparently.

Picked this out in the blaze of posting. Glad you started enjoying it, Techbot. I would say you should get to SO levels for just about any AT, however. You can get a decent taste of Blasters at low levels, I suppose, but even then, they really open up at later levels. I really love my Ar/En Blaster, and it took me until the mid-20s to have him really shine.

And shifting between forms is the true strength of a Kheldian, which you enjoy as well. Kheldians may not be a specialist AT, but their ability to adjust is what makes them stand out. I can tank in Dwarf for the part of the fight that needs it, then drop to human to wrap things up quicker and the danger to the team is gone.

I hear you about the shields as well... doubt we can get them to remove some, however (cottage rule and all that). They are kind of a drag for a form shifter, as it takes too long to retoggle them. I usually only have the Smash/Lethal one until the 40s, to be honest. I may use them more on my dual build WS, but not much on my tri-form PB.

I posted earlier about Pulsar... it really should be a guaranteed mag 3 Stun at the least. And even then the 3 second cast is far too long. I don't know if I can complain about the accuracy, as that's in line with most of the AOE controls out there (Stalagmites for Earth Controllers has the same accuracy, for instance, though they have more slots to deal with the issue, I suppose). Ugh, but the similar Warshade power has higher accuracy, too. I don't care if it's a cone instead of a PbAOE, that many discrepancies doesn't make sense. *shakes head*

I hear you on the VEATs... it's hard not to like them when they buff everyone's defense, etc. (my Ninjitsu stalker loved it this weekend... he was pretty much tanking against the Rikti because of the VEAT on my team). I'm actually surprised they let VEAT buffs stack, to be honest... with those levels you can justify only having VEATs on your team, to some extent... and I know the devs don't like that.