Golden Girl

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Team PvP is far, far better than solo PvP.

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This is a nugget of absolute truth on which a religion could be founded

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Everything is subjective, there are characters who, when played skillfully, are quite good in solo pvp. But if someone has trouble with pvp in general, I suggest trying out teaming.. (Not all teams are great either though)

EDIT: it depends who you are going against too.

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But what about the chatting? Soloing is too quiet

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Give me windows


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Give me doors - anything from blast doors that take up the whole opening of a corridor to normal sized doors with a suitably shaped bit of wall around them to close off a corridor.

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Team PvP is far, far better than solo PvP.

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This is a nugget of absolute truth on which a religion could be founded

What level do you need to be to take part?

Well done - I seem to remember being your sk during some portal missions on PI

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Intelligent, adult discussion, some humour and a lovely diversion from seeing the same damn threads all the time.


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I guss that's down to the urbane, sophisticated and refined nature of the PvP community.

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Ah Ethics, it always boils down to this subject.

Is it the action itself that is wrong, or is it the outcome of the action which is wrong?

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It's the action itself. I would not blame someone for an unexpextedly poor outcome if their action itself was just.

Speaking of ethics, moral relativism sucks because it negates your ability to consider yourself right which to me makes your actions arbitrary.

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A Deontological approch to Ethics then.

I'm partial to Situation Ethics myself, although Kant does have some appeal.

What were we talking about?

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Teh ganking!!!111!

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"Brit" is an Americanisation .

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Surely better than "limey"?

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I've worked for many, many years to have my accent unidentifiable. That generally means that I'm not going to let you in on it.

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Hmmm, you certainly take this whole secret identity part of the Hero lifestyle to heart

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...Or it could just be that I grew up in a very lower class environment, and I've tried extremely hard to distance myself from it. Although, admittedly, the accent does come back every now and again.

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You shouldn't be ashamed of where you grew up - you Brits are too class-conscious

[/ QUOTE ]Well, how can you blame them, most of the society is still stuck at the imperial era

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Hey, don't dis the brits, I'm a brit. But I will admit ur right, Tony Blair is a complete dickweed. It's the one things brits hate about themselves.

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That was...random

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Just look at Halle Berry, she's beautiful, rich, she does have some talent, intelligent, and she's even part of a "minority" being mixed race; however, I can name ten or so people (myself included) who can't stand the woman because of Catwoman.

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Edited for clarity

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What we are talking about here is PvP in a GAME! It's all about competition. Competition creates passion and passion leads to hell and maaan I can tell you that we are ALL GOING TO HELL!

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There's different kinds of passion, you know - some good, some bad

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Logged into sirens for about 5 minutes to blow off steam and had a wierd experience. I attack some brute but a mob gets in the killing blow, oh well. He argues that heroes shouldnt do this..blah... only villains, why didnt i kill the NPC. blah blah...he could kill me and he's only lvl yawn! etc.
Then he invites me to his global friends list :S

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Sounds like early romantic tension.

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Yep. It won't be long before you two realise you love each other, but not before many "amusing" events take place, possibly involving "hilarious", eccentric relatives or a ker-razy goofball best friend.

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Your scaring me now

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Search your feelings - you know it to be true.

He looks drunk

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I think ill make couple simple binds like "$target, youre under arrest!" next time Ill go to sirens.


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I used that last night when I located the one and only Villian on the map
Having arrested him with extreme force, I then told him to lie still while I got the cuffs out, but he just disappeared to the hospital

Wildly off topic, but still base related - aren't there any doors available? Does ever corridor and hall just lead into a room with no door or gateway or anything between?

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Logged into sirens for about 5 minutes to blow off steam and had a wierd experience. I attack some brute but a mob gets in the killing blow, oh well. He argues that heroes shouldnt do this..blah... only villains, why didnt i kill the NPC. blah blah...he could kill me and he's only lvl yawn! etc.
Then he invites me to his global friends list :S

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Sounds like early romantic tension.

I've still not seen anything like this stuff you guys have been describing - maybe I'm just in the zones at the wrong time?
I have broadcast and local on at all times, so as not to miss anything, and even when I'm in a team, I only use the team chat for tactics so the Villians don't know what we're up to, and the worst I've seen so far are the usual "lol! U suck0rz!!!11!!", "U r lam0rz!1111!!", "U r teh gayorz!!11" - just kids stuff.

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I feel exactly the same way you do, Qi.

Saying "it's on the internet, you can't possibly take it seriously" is like saying that if a person insults you over the phone, it's okay. like there's a set range at which insults no longer work. There's still a human being sitting behind those handles you throw [censored] at.

Telling people to grow a spine and just ignore the insults is just another insult, and in any case, I can stand upright, so I DO have a spine. Just because I'd like to beat the living [censored] out of griefers and insulting bastards don't mean I'm pathetic, it means I don't take kindly to people who think they are better than others and disrespects anyone and everyone. I'd like to tear out their own spines and jam it into a meatgrinder, but as I can't actually do this (mostly because of the long distances), I get frustrated and angry, because I can't for the life of me tolerate disrespectful people. (And I KNOW this is kind of a paradox, but that's just me. I can't tolerate people who don't tolerate people. How do you think it makes me feel about myself. )

Why the HELL is it nessecary to insult and disrespect people you don't know? Why do people HAVE TO BE [donkey]holes to human beings? I got one answer, and that goes for the people who acts like this, and the people that supports that behaviour and everyone who tolerates it. LACK OF SELFDIGNITY. If you have an ounce of it, you don't HAVE to insult others. If you got a pinkie-sized amount of it you don't need to ground people into the muck of your own brain.

The only real way of showing people how great you are is to be able to give compliments, to admit that others MIGHT be better than you at certain things. Insulting strangers and causing them grief only lessens your status in the eyes of people who understand these things.

I'm a 'special' case however. I understand these things, but having been the victim of harrassment and bullying for all my 12 years at school, my fuse in these matters are extremely short.

There is no excuse whatsoever to act like a [donkey]hole, and especially not to strangers. Also, supporting or just plain tolerating it is no better. Not at all, it just deepens the frustration of the victims. It's not all fun and games when people bully and harrass others, and just because it's over the internet doesn't make it any better. There is still human beings on the recieving end.

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Why is it always seen as a weakness to be nice to other people? Why is it the [donkey]holes who are always seen as the strong ones? And like Stasis said, why is it the people who are nice to others and generally doesn't do anything wrong who has to change their ways?? OMG! IT'S ALL GONE TO TEH AMERICANS! (at least it will if it's always the nice people who has to adapt to the [donkey]holes)

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So, what would you define as bad smacktalk, and what would you define as good smacktalk? Or do you think any form of taunt or insult is offensive?

And go easy on the Americans

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"Your blood tastes good as I lick it off my spines"

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See, that's the kind of smacktalk that's good - it outrageous, makes no reference to the opponent's abilty, and is almost IC, in as far as it refers to the players in-game apperance and (possibly ) habits.

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A large part of the MMO community, do care what is said to them in game, and this provokes an emotional response.

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A large part of the MMO community should lighten up a bit then.

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That's easier said than done.

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They should be ganked until they do

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I think that bullshitting is a part of the game, just like when playing any other game with ur friends. I've never gotten angry in the zones, mainly good laughs at those broadcasts

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PvP without smacktalk is just no fun - as long as the smack talking is done in a clean and amusing way.

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If you can't be bothered fair enough but I reserve the right to call your computer pox ridden at any time.

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My computer is clean, healthy and heroic, thank you very much

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You're so naive..


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I keep careful checks on what's happening on it

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If you can't be bothered fair enough but I reserve the right to call your computer pox ridden at any time.

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My computer is clean, healthy and heroic, thank you very much

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Works fine with firefox, ditch that IE already

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Too lazy - tell me if the pictures are worth it

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Ditch it! Ditch it! Ditch it and save your soul!

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It is too late for them. Anyone using IE has no soul. And is probably riddled with virtual pox

Opera FTW!!

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IE came with my computer, and I can't be bothered to change it

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A large part of the MMO community, do care what is said to them in game, and this provokes an emotional response.

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A large part of the MMO community should lighten up a bit then.


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Yeah, and these attempted insults are all so shallow too - just generic questioning of their opponents sexual orientation and ability to play the game.
Anonymity works both ways - they use it to act the way they do, but it also means that they have no personal knowledge of the person they're trying to insult, so they're very, very limited in what they can say.
And, as PvP is pretty fast moving, after a couple of minutes you'll see the exact same things that were being said to you being said to the next player who has dared to take them down.
And on a side note, even though I've taken down quite a few Villians, I've never had anyone say anything to me - and I've no idea why