Giant2005

Oh, well this is something I had no knowledge of. Also I have to challenge whether it was common knowledge or not because none of the people I associate with knew it was being taken away.

You seem to be offering two conflicting statements.
You most certainly won't be getting a year's supply of points at your renewal date and a monthly supply of points on top of that. You only get the points once.
The latter part is the correct answer. You get your points monthly - you alread have been getting your points monthly, you have your points for June, July, August and September. If you were getting your points anually, you would have got none of the above.

I particpated in Beta testing.
I however did not get to test StJ on Beta. StJ was only on there for a matter of days before it was pulled without notice.
I made a StJ character and before he got his level bump so I could do some high level tests, he was gone.
I suspect a lot of people were in that same position and if not that same position; In a position where they expected StJ would be there for the duration and chose to test Beam and Time Manipulation or some of the proliferated sets before suddenly, their opportunity to test StJ was gone.

This is true when it comes to raw damage but the second chain you listed would have far greater AOE damage per second which is far more valuable.

I'm not sure where you are getting any of this...
If SC was a builder, you don't have to run Builder Builder, SC, SS. As long as the finisher (SS) is at the end, the order of attacks is irrelevant. That statement applies to the set as it is in game now and also as it would be after my proposed amendment.
I'm not saying my way is the only correct way. I am saying it is the only most efficient way.
You can take the set and ignore all of it's powers and only use pool attacks if you like, the decision wouldn't be wrong - it would be inefficient. If you don't care about how efficient your character is nor the set, then why are you even replying to my posts at all? Any change suggested can't be considered negative if you simply don't care.
this is true and I have conceded this same point many times, however considering that my character is going to be level 18 for far longer than he is under 18, I'd personally rather sacrifice my sub 18 gameplay marginally, for significant gains during my post 18 play.
That is only my opinion but I suspect it is one that would be shared by a majority of the playerbase.
Even if you are opposed to farming, you won't be below 18 for much more than a few hours of gameplay.

Again, if you aren't a min/maxer and don't care, why are you complaining about my proposal? Either way you are going to look just as cool, so why not be efficient while we have those awesome animations to look at?

I think your lack of an annual badge is a biproduct of the fact that you can play for free now and only paid time count toward vet badges.
Previously, on the master account page it recorded time time played in two ways: "paid time" and "total time" total time was all of your paid time plus the free time offered by box sets and recruiting friends. Now that same page only lists "paid time".

I suspect that the time you played for free due to box purchases and recruits is no longer being counted.
I lost 5 months due to this.

Heavy Blow isn't really skippable (Unless you are a tank). You have to take one of the first two powers and it is superior to Initial Strike.
I do admit changing Sweeping cross would make lowbies less effective but regardless of how much you farm, I guarantee any character that actually gets played is going to spend a lot more time beyond level 18 than below.

I actually like Sweeping Cross's animation speed and damage even at combo level 0. I think it is very effective and far superior to comparable powers like Shadow Maul. My only problem with the power is that it either costs combo points which I'd rather spend on SS, or I use it at combo level 0, in which case it bypasses the mechanic completely which I don't think is a fair solution.

The phrase you used "have your cake and eat it too" is actually a fair way of describing my proposal but it also gives me an idea of an apt amendment to it: instead of removing it as a finisher, how about altering finishers so that if they are used at combo level 0, they act as a builder? Seems fair to everyone and a suitable buff.

Finally, I'd like to say I appreciated your post. I am not saying that in some kind of condescending or snarky manner, I thought it was well thought out and I enjoyed reading it.

Yes this is completely accurate, the problem is that using it in such a way doesn't contribute at all to the set's mechanic. My proposal fixes that.

Do the math.
What you are claiming as fact is misinformation. So yes, that does make you a fanboy if you are blindly defending something without do any research.
You are looking at the aspect of making one AOE weaker by my proposal, how about the other end of the equation you are ignoring? The fact that that change also makes the more useful AOE stronger when they are used in unison for greater AOE DPS.

A nerf?
I'm not sure if you don't understand the difference between buffs and nerfs or you have simply chosen to speak before running the numbers but I am proposing a buff to the AOE damage potential of StJ. Not a nerf.
With my proposal to change Sweeping Cross to a builder and not a finisher, the chain of Builder -> Builder -> Sweeping Cross -> Spinning Strike (Or even cutting out one of the builders if you get your recharge high enough) has far higher AOE DPS than anything Street Justice can get under it's current implementation.
Cutting single target builders out by adding outside AOE attacks from secondary pools, power pools and epic pools only increases the potential of the buff I am proposing.

Stop pretending I am saying things I am not, by doing so you are ruining your credibility.
I never said status effects are anywhere near useless - such a statement would be lunacy. I said the tertiary effect of Sweeping Cross using your Combo points which should be reserved for Spinning Strike, has a negative impact on your damage potential.
In response to your actual point, the finisher damage may scale in a linear manner but that is irrelevant. Whether it is 1, 2 or 3 combo points blown on Sweeping Cross and it's 5 target cap (which is improbably to reliably reach), the damage gained from them would be far better used on Spinning Strike and effectively have the damage boost from any number of combo points doubled by it's easier to reach and higher target cap.
So your solution is to spam AOEs and ignore the combo mechanic completely? That is very viable but it is also what I am trying to avoid. Surely you must concede that changing Sweeping Cross to a builder so you can spam AOEs and still have them contribute to the powerset's mechanic is simply better game design than ignoring it completely.
Thank you for letting me know the servers were back up.
Whether or not the DPA is significantly or marginally higher is subjective. The reason I mentioned it at all was to highlight the misinformation you are giving when saying statements like "Crushing Uppercut has higher Damage even without the combo mechanic".
The fact that you were wrong isn't subjective at all.
I am not saying Breath of Fire is the ultimate cone. I haven't bothered looking but I suspect I could find many superior cones. I am saying Breath of Fire is a better cone than Sweeping Cross. I have also provided several mechanical reasons as to why and none of which involve my opinion.
I also find it a little disheartening that I have to call you on pretending I am saying things that I am not.
Never in this thread have I said Street Justice is bad for AOE. The only time I offered my opinion on the AOE potential of StJ was in the first post of mine you had quoted. Ironically, the opinion I offered of StJ's AOE was: "Street Justice most certainly isn't a bad set for AOE".
I am not perpetuating anything. what I am doing is offering the pros and cons objectively so people can make their own opinions. That kind of objectivity is something these forums lack in an extreme way - fanboys like you defend everything blindly and without base, regardless of fact.

Look at your efforts in this thread - you claimed Crushing Uppercut does higher DPA than KO Blow at Combo level 0 which you have since admitted was incorrect and you have twice claimed I have an opinion I have no expressed. Stick to the facts and keep objective and you will do a much better service to spreading the word of StJ.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak to me in such a condescending manner.
I have been nothing but amiable to you and have posted in this thread with logic, respect and accuracy. I would appreciate the same treatment.

Regarding the only potential post level 18, non "inept" use for it, just read my previous post.

Heavy Blow does more DPA to a single target than Sweeping Cross does to a single target.
And no, you are on the opposite end of the spectrum from what I am trying to say. I love cones, I absolutely adore them. The problem is that with the current implementation, Sweeping Cross is skippable and I seek to save it not skip it. With it's current implementation, using it weakens Spinning Strike which is the superior AOE attack. By changing it to a builder and not a finisher, they can both be used in a chain without one weakening the other. To get my point across better, I am suggesting the change because I would rather Heavy Blow be the skippable power than Sweeping Cross.

This is partially true, it can be used directly after Spinning Strike and not blow your combo level because you don't have any but then the opportunity cost is that you aren't generating any combo points by doing this which conflicts with the set's mechanic as much as using pool powers in your attack chain.
I don't know if Synapse pointed out your last sentence or not but either way, it most certainly isn't an accurate representation of the set. Without any combo levels, the DPA of KO Blow is significantly higher than that of Crushing Uppercut.

This is a useful way of using it yes but a chain, it does not make.
That particular combination is up at the same frequency as Shield Charge - the cooldown is far too great to make a chain of.
As an aside, even with a 3 point combo being included due to Combat Readiness, Sweeping Cross is significantly weaker than Shield Charge and due to it's requirement of Combat Readiness to make the combo useful, it shares the same long cooldown.

No it is bad because using it weakens both Crushing Uppercut and Spinning Strike which are the two most powerful attacks in the set.

For the same reason that people credit SS with having good AOE damage even though it only has one attack.
When paired correctly, your primary only needs one AOE and FSC is superior to Breath of Fire.
Also a lot of people overlook target caps when looking at the damage of their powers. People underestimate Breath of Fire because is has low DPA even if it has a decent cone and a decent target cap. Conversely, Burn is overestimated due to it's high DPA even though it has a target cap of 5. Burn does the least damage in my AOE attack chain on my farmer and yet people still regard it as an amazing attack and the defining power of Fire Armor which is a title that should be given to Firey Embrace.
In summary, people only tend to look at DPA when considering the effectiveness of an attack, not at it's overall usefulness.

Well... no.
If I had my way, I'd have Heavy Blow and Sweeping Cross switched. the prime AOE finisher has a shorter cooldown than the single target finisher so it makes more sense for the third finisher to be a single target attack over an AOE to make chaining easier.
Also considering all of the builders are single target, changing one of the two aoes to be a builder instead of a finisher would make for a far more rounded set.

As it stands, StJ may have two decent AOE attacks but unless you want to completely ignore the combo mechanic, they are mutually exclusive and I think that needs to be changed - people will be much happier if one of the 5 single target attacks was rendered obsolete by the mechanic than if one of the two aoes were.

Sweeping Cross has a DPA of 55.86, Breath of Fire 39.12
That makes it look like Sweeping Cross is superior but there is more to it than that, Breath of Fire has double the target cap, by hitting twice as many enemies, it deals more DPA than Sweeping Cross. Not to mention it covers a far greater Area of Effect, which unlike Sweeping Cross can be further increased with range enhancements.
More importantly, it isn't disadvantaged by secondary effects that weaken the powerset as a whole. Using Sweeping Cross blows Combo points which should be used on a superior attack. Breath of Fire has no such drawback.
As an AOE, Breath of Fire is overwhelmingly better in all departments.
Sweeping Cross works better as a single target attack that occasionally hits an extra enemy or two. Or at least it would be if it didn't break the combo system by using it.

Just nitpicking really but Fire also has Breath of Fire which is quite a bit superior to Sweeping Cross which makes Fire a better aoe set.
Everything else you said still stand though and Street Justice most certainly isn't a bad set for AOE. Two AOEs (even if one of them is a little lacking and hard to actually call an AOE) is better than the one that a lot of sets get (SS which is considered to have good AOE only has one which is on a longer recharge timer than StJ's primary AOE)

I think the complaints come from the small AOE on Spinning Strike which to me is a pretty crappy complaint.

If I were to try and champion some kind of change to the set and it's aoe potential, I'd be trying to push for Sweeping Cross to be changed from a finisher to a builder. As a finisher, it is just there to blow combo points which should be used for either Spinning Strike or Crushing Uppercut and should probably be skipped. If it were a builder, it would be far more useful.

So by that logic, if you were min maxing wouldn't you be taking the Brute over the Scrapper anyway due to their inherent offering more to StJ than the Scrapper inherent?
If Gloom hinders the DPS by not helping the combo system, then you don't use it. If it still increases DPS then it is just another advantage to the Brute.
Saying Brutes have the option of a powerful attack that Scrappers don't and saying having that option makes them weaker than Scrappers are two completely opposing arguments.

The problem with your solutions isn't the fact that you can do it without opening the market interface, the problem occurs because you have to close the market interface and run off to open a different interface.
It should all be included in one, easy to use Market Interface.

This could be useful.
the rest isn't.

I know you are obviously a fanboy and willing to defend all criticisms of this game with your last dying breath but you want to defend the market? Really?
You list a whole bunch of workarounds that the average person can spend a couple of hours doing but why should we?

Why should we spend a few hours to find a way to send the Dev's some money? If they want our money, they should make giving it to them as easy as possible.

Don't argue against a user interface fix which has no negative impact on anyone in this game, it just shows you are willing to argue against anything in defense of the developers regardless of justification. As such, it pretty much invalidates your opinion in it's entirety.

Wouldn't it be better on Brutes?
Considering the combo system gains full benefit from Fury but no benefit from criticals, it seems like a no brainer from a min/max viewpoint.
Half of an inherent is less than a full inherent.

This isn't completely true anymore.
The devs seem to be making Tanks far, far better on the DPS front.
Look at how they chose to proliferate MA to tankers, if they get enough recharge to keep their 33% damage buff on perma and use Bruising, their single target damage is better than that of a Scrapper in most of their attacks and that is even including the average DPS increase from Criticals.
If the Devs keep that trend up with SJ (I have no idea how different they are) then Tanks would most certainly be a fair choice.